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returntothepit >> discuss >> Israel kills 155 in Gaza by zyklon on Dec 27,2008 11:03am
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toggletoggle post by zyklon at Dec 27,2008 11:03am edited Dec 28,2008 11:27pm
Israeli airstrikes pounded targets in Gaza on Saturday, killing at least 155 people, Palestinian medical sources said. An Israeli army spokeswoman said her country is ready to continue the attacks "as long as it takes."
A Palestinian boy wounded by an Israeli missile awaits treatment Saturday outside a hospital in Gaza City.

A Palestinian boy wounded by an Israeli missile awaits treatment Saturday outside a hospital in Gaza City.
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Palestinian medical sources said at least 250 people had been wounded in the air raids, and the militant group Hamas vowed to retaliate.

The strikes followed several days of rocket attacks from Gaza into Israel.

Hamas police stations were hit, killing many senior police commanders, a reporter in Gaza said.

Maj. Gen. Tawfeeq Al-Jaber, a senior commander in the Hamas police force, was killed, as was Ismail Jabari, who headed the special police force in Gaza, Palestinian sources said.

Israeli Maj. Avital Leibovich told CNN the military began the attacks "in order to preserve the security situation in Israel."

"We are prepared for any type of scenario right now. We have our own operation and assessments as we go along, and we are ready to continue this operation as long as it takes," Leibovich said by phone from Tel Aviv. Video Watch panicked Palestinians try to help the wounded »

Not long after Hamas called for retribution, an Israeli woman was killed when a rocket fired from Gaza hit a house in Netivot, about six miles east of Gaza, Israeli police spokesman Mickey Rosenfeld said. Hamas acknowledged firing the rocket.

Two other Israelis were listed in "medium to serious" condition at a hospital in Beersheba, Rosenfeld said.
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Rosenfeld said at least 15 missiles from Gaza had landed in Israel by late afternoon.

The Israeli Defense Ministry issued a statement saying Prime Minister Ehud Olmert ordered the military into action based on a decision by the Cabinet.

"The action will continue and will widen as much as is demanded according to the evaluation of the situation by the high command of the army," the statement said.

Palestinian legislator Hanan Ashrawi, speaking from Ramallah in the West Bank, accused Israel of ignoring the terms of the tenuous six-month cease-fire that expired a week ago.

"This is certainly a very cruel escalation, a relentless bombardment of a captive civilian population that has already been under siege for months, that has been deprived of basic requirements like food and medicines and fuel and power," she said. Video Watch Ashrawi condemn the airstrikes »

The Arab League scheduled an emergency meeting in Cairo, Egypt, at 7 p.m. (noon ET) Sunday to discuss the outbreak of violence.

White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe called on Hamas to cease its rocket attacks on Israel and urged Israel "to avoid civilian casualties as it targets Hamas in Gaza."

A statement from the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said Israeli aircraft attacked "a series of Hamas targets and infrastructure facilities."

"The Air Force activity came as a result of the continuation of terror activity by Hamas terror organization from the Gaza Strip, and the duration of rocket launching and targeting Israeli civilians," the IDF statement said.

Video showed severely wounded people being loaded into cars and driven to hospitals.

Inside one Gaza hospital, doctors appeared overwhelmed; the floors were covered with wounded men and some children.

"Many killed and many injured," a Gaza-based reporter said. "People are running in the streets."

The Egyptian government sent 20 ambulances, along with medical personnel, to Rafah at its border with Gaza to help with the wounded, an Egyptian official said.

The reporter, who is not being named for safety reasons, said the attacks were the biggest he had seen in his decades in Gaza.

The IDF said the targets "include Hamas terror operatives that operated from the organization's headquarters, training camps and weaponry storage warehouses."
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The shaky six-month truce between the Hamas government in Gaza and Israel expired a week ago. Under the Egyptian-brokered deal, Hamas agreed to end militant attacks on Israel from Gaza, and Israel agreed to halt raids inside the territory and ease its blockade on humanitarian goods.

Israel on Friday opened three border crossings for the first time in 10 days to allow food, medical supplies and other humanitarian goods into Gaza, but Palestinian rocket attacks continued.
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toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Dec 27,2008 11:47am
Happy Hanukkah!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Dec 27,2008 11:48am
Israeli air attacks on Gaza kill 170



toggletoggle post by hater at Dec 27,2008 12:06pm
Yeah. we have news websites on our computers too, cunt froth.



toggletoggle post by Finklestienman at Dec 27,2008 12:42pm
I hope the Jews kill em all. GO ISRAEL! The jews will inherit the world, and you retarded american gentile tools will help. hahahaha



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Dec 27,2008 12:46pm
Israel needs to exist.

The Jewish people need a place where they are safe and can practice their religion, culture, and upkeep of genetics.

All leftists/liberals/hipsters are anti-Israel these days, which is LOL since the reverse was true not just 7 years ago... how Biblical.

Palestinians (Syrian Arabs) do not belong in Israel. Kick them out. Israel for Jews only!



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Dec 27,2008 12:49pm
Fucking jews.

See what happens when you think you're gods chosen people? You kill everyone else because they arent worth half a god damn.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Dec 27,2008 12:52pm
Every people is their own god's chosen people.

So we need a separate place for each one.

Multiculturalism is the problem, not Jews.



toggletoggle post by Samantha at Dec 27,2008 6:29pm
Israel sounds like such a nice, safe place to live right now.



toggletoggle post by pam   at Dec 27,2008 7:20pm
Palestine does this shit to Israel too, shit happens.

I have a friend in Israel. I wish she'd move back here before someone blows her up.



toggletoggle post by hater at Dec 27,2008 7:59pm
Palestine deserves it.
Even mexicans are smarter than them.
They keep poking a killer bee hive, and wonder why they continue to be stung.
Stupid people thousands of years behind the civilized world.

Good.
End.



toggletoggle post by Samantha at Dec 27,2008 11:05pm
pam said[orig][quote]
Palestine does this shit to Israel too, shit happens.

I have a friend in Israel. I wish she'd move back here before someone blows her up.


I know someone who WANTS to move to Israel. I hope he changes his mind before someone blows him up.



toggletoggle post by demondave at Dec 27,2008 11:43pm

I glanced at this very quickly and my mind's eye mixed the tag for an adjoining thread with this one.

So I saw the [videogame} thread in the front



toggletoggle post by Finklestienman at Dec 28,2008 7:46am
mwahhhaaaahahaa yeessss, yess. kill the scum. And to those of you who are sympathetic towards we JEWS (gods chosen), thank you FOR NOW but know this... youre next. Enjoy those ham sangwhiches while you can fools. Jews will indeed inherit YOUR world and all you possess. It is written.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Dec 28,2008 10:02am
pam said[orig][quote]
Palestine does this shit to Israel too


Yeah. Launching unguided rockets with explosive warheads into civilian areas is an act of war, I'd think...



toggletoggle post by pam   at Dec 28,2008 11:35am
Conservationist said[orig][quote]
pam said[orig][quote]
Palestine does this shit to Israel too


Yeah. Launching unguided rockets with explosive warheads into civilian areas is an act of war, I'd think...


You'd think right. Fuck em.

Wait...do we agree on something?



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Dec 28,2008 12:12pm
this is rediculous. Palestine doesn't have an organized or respectable military. Isreal is funded by the US and half our department of defense are fucking jews that care more about the jewish nation of Isreal than they ever will about the US. Despite instances of Isreal and the mossad setting up backdoor communications in our country, spying, importing heroine, importing illegal weapons, the list goes on and these people are total sons of bitches and it kills me that people don't care.

Fox fucking news acts like isreal is defending itself against suicide bombing terrorists and conveniently leave out details about Isreal invading palestine, destoying peoples homes, and building racial colonies protected by their standing army.

It's genocide. and they are getting away with it with our support because the disgusting jewish media brainwashes everyone into thinking little old isreal is sitting there peacefully and is getting attacked by organised terrorist units for no reason.




toggletoggle post by Finklestienman at Dec 28,2008 12:22pm
I see you are divided as to our method of taking over the world. Ahhh division. YEESSSS, its all going as planned TOOLS!



toggletoggle post by Goldman at Dec 28,2008 7:32pm
Vat are you talking about?



toggletoggle post by Adolph Hitler at Dec 28,2008 7:47pm
History has a way of repeating itself. Too many swindles make me wake from the grave.



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Dec 28,2008 7:53pm
Great, now we have to deal with all the fucking Jew trolls that are actually Conservationist all over again. Fuck you zyklon, you worthless fucking fuckbag, worst god damn poster on this forum. You let the cat out of the bag.



toggletoggle post by ArilliusBM  at Dec 28,2008 8:34pm
It is the breeding ground of a possible WWIII: it has the ability, given it's geographical and historical significance, to unite people, regardless of what their stance is.
Any violent action in Gaza should be held with utmost concern because it will eventually bleed out all across the Middle East. It's going to be a never ending war due to the way things are these days. There is no answer, no hope. The end folks.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Dec 28,2008 11:19pm edited Dec 29,2008 10:20am
pam said[orig][quote]
Wait...do we agree on something?


Amazing as it is, I think we do -- sorta.

More info here on MacShane's new book:

http://penetrate.blogspot.com/2008/12/new-anti-semitism.html

Watch these predictions come true. There's one big-ass part you won't agree with personally, but give it some thought; over time it may become more lucid.



toggletoggle post by Paul CNV at Dec 28,2008 11:22pm



toggletoggle post by jews at Dec 29,2008 6:22am
well just get them back



toggletoggle post by Seth at Dec 29,2008 11:33am
the_reverend said[orig][quote]
Happy Hanukkah!


Thank you rev...and let there be light!



toggletoggle post by convolutionist at Dec 29,2008 12:22pm
Thank you Rev... and let there be kike!



toggletoggle post by GOATCATALYST   at Dec 29,2008 2:05pm
They should relocate Gaza and their big Jewwy squabble to Har Megiddo and get their final conflict rolling before July so I don't have to suffer the indignity of turning 30. Or at least then I can do so amidst the Feast of the Thousand Sodomies that will follow the coronation of the Antichrist. (I'll be kinda bummed if it really is Tom Araya). Look out, CTB - I'm gonna fuck your butt. No homo.



toggletoggle post by Seth at Dec 29,2008 2:12pm
All of us!



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Dec 29,2008 2:37pm
LOL - Conservationist just posted a link to a Macbook.



toggletoggle post by ScmFck at Dec 29,2008 2:55pm
fuck it just nuke both of them. problem solved



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Dec 29,2008 3:15pm
build an amusement type park. like a DisneyWorld. Right on Gaza. Problem solved.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Dec 29,2008 3:21pm
Loving Israel is like, sooooo shocking to my liberal ideals.

*snore*



toggletoggle post by pam   at Dec 29,2008 4:45pm
I'd just sorta like the entire middle east, pakistan, et all to DIAF. Preferably one we're not involved in.

Back to hitting the pipe...



toggletoggle post by GOATCATALYST   at Dec 29,2008 5:37pm
Speaking of your pipe-hitting ways, Pam...

Clutch put on an incredibly gorgeous hour and a half performance last night - the sensual refinements of which would have been lost to your uncouth cavewoman's palate.

Carry on...



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Dec 29,2008 5:48pm
clutch was awesome last night



toggletoggle post by GOATCATALYST   at Dec 29,2008 5:59pm
Oh man - I wish I knew you were gonna be there. We could have talked about cars and how manly we are and used "nigger" as a pronoun, knowing precisely what the other meant.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Dec 29,2008 10:05pm
how long are your chest hairs and how many do you have?



toggletoggle post by convolutionist at Dec 29,2008 11:02pm
can we stick to the subject of slaughtering those filthy arabs?



toggletoggle post by ArilliusBM  at Jan 4,2009 2:03pm
This shit is getting worse and worse. Israel has ground troops / tanks in Gaza and continues its push. They say their goal is to stop the missile attacks into Israel, and not to get rid of Hamas. I think it's the latter!



toggletoggle post by Hebrew Hammer at Jan 4,2009 4:16pm
The new world order..... Watch out the Jews are rising......



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 4,2009 7:15pm
missle attacks into isreal? rediculous.

The 'missle attacks' are from citizens revolting against their illegal occupation and are very low key. Isreal has the 4th most powerful airforce in the world. are they really worried about the 50 molotav coctails that palestine managed to pull together with thier life savings?



toggletoggle post by Hungtableed at Jan 5,2009 3:12am
Jews > You

Get with it...man.



toggletoggle post by SkinSandwich at Jan 5,2009 8:01am
Who cares!? This happens all the fucking time between these two. I love how people are acting like this is something new. GASP!



toggletoggle post by metal_church101  at Jan 5,2009 8:07am
155 dead camel jockies is definitely a good start.



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 5,2009 10:01am
SkinSandwich said[orig][quote]
Who cares!? This happens all the fucking time between these two. I love how people are acting like this is something new. GASP!
I care for one because half of my tax money goes to the expansion of Isreal's corrupt zionist empire.



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 5,2009 10:02am
metal_church101 said[orig][quote]
155 dead camel jockies is definitely a good start.



Trust me. You'd MUCH rather see the jews go and the moslems stay.



toggletoggle post by metal_church101  at Jan 5,2009 10:33am
How do you figure?



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 5,2009 10:43am
Isreal costs us alot of money in tax dollars expanding thier empire. In fact we finance their military, which now has the 4th largest airforce on earth and nuclear capabilities. We even pay for their little 'racial colonies' in palestine. and they have been caught setting up backdoor intel survalence in our country, as a way to say thanks for our support.

Where as palestine has no real military, they are poor agricultural people making the equivilent of 2 US dollars a week starving and getting kicked out of there homes so the greedy nation of Isreal can have more land for jews only.

Palestine poses no terrorist or nuclear threat to us.

Isreal is doing to palestine what America did to the American Indians.

Our tax dollars go to Isreal, Isreal constantly allocates conflict, our defense dept. invests in arms companies (boeing, haliburton, ceradine, etc because they know the stock will do good.), the jews use your tax dollars to buy weapons, and members on the defense dept. turn profit.


So essentially our un-elected government makes money, Isreal expands there empire, and the american people are poor and facing currency devaluation, and the palestinians homes are ruined, and women and children's lives are lost.


2 out of 4 aint bad though right?



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 5,2009 11:25am
And by the way, 30% of the people killed at Shifa were children.

Isreal does not attack military targets in palestine because there aren't any.




toggletoggle post by SkinSandwich at Jan 5,2009 12:44pm
niccolai said[orig][quote]
SkinSandwich said[orig][quote]
Who cares!? This happens all the fucking time between these two. I love how people are acting like this is something new. GASP!
I care for one because half of my tax money goes to the expansion of Isreal's corrupt zionist empire.


Do what I do. Work under the table. Then the big noses won't get yer cash.
FIXED!



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jan 5,2009 12:47pm
A fanatical religious party wins a string of elections in Mexico's northern states, then stages a civil war to drive out the federal government and take full control.

The party's charter demands the return to Mexico of the occupied territories of California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Texas.

Firing homemade rockets and more advanced projectiles smuggled in from Iran and China, the party's gunners can hit a total of one of every seven Americans, or 43,598,000 people, in a broad swath which includes Los Angeles, San Diego, Phoenix, Albuquerque, Austin, San Antonio and Houston, and Las Vegas.

In all of these areas, pre-schools, grade schools, and universities are all forced to shut down. Families sleep in bomb shelters, and return to them several times a day during air raids. Businesses are shuttered, and the economy shuts down.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052866.html



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 5,2009 12:59pm edited Jan 5,2009 1:11pm
SkinSandwich said[orig][quote]
niccolai said[orig][quote]
SkinSandwich said[orig][quote]
Who cares!? This happens all the fucking time between these two. I love how people are acting like this is something new. GASP!
I care for one because half of my tax money goes to the expansion of Isreal's corrupt zionist empire.


Do what I do. Work under the table. Then the big noses won't get yer cash.
FIXED!


So let's say I work under the table, and my taxes don't finance war.

My famillies still do, my neighbors still do, my friends still do, local buisinesses still do...

Just avoiding your own personal taxes isn't big enough.

The point isn't to stop paying taxes, it's to keep people paying taxes, but open there eyes to where it's going and why it's going there so they won't vote for military radicals like Mccain, Obama, Bush, etc.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jan 5,2009 1:01pm
Dude, I'm in Jail! I pay no taxes! I BEAT THE SYSTEM LOL



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 5,2009 1:11pm
Conservationist said[orig][quote]
Dude, I'm in Jail! I pay no taxes! I BEAT THE SYSTEM LOL


Exactly.



toggletoggle post by ArilliusBM  at Jan 6,2009 12:51am


check that picture out. looks like the gaza strip is fucked. haha



toggletoggle post by pam   at Jan 6,2009 3:02am
GOATCATALYST said[orig][quote]
Speaking of your pipe-hitting ways, Pam...

Clutch put on an incredibly gorgeous hour and a half performance last night - the sensual refinements of which would have been lost to your uncouth cavewoman's palate.

Carry on...


hahaha. Damn shame I missed it. And by damn shame I mean thank fuck I didn't have to sit through that band again. xoxo



toggletoggle post by pam   at Jan 6,2009 3:04am
My friend is running into her bomb shelter a dozen times a day, I much preferred not having friends in war-zones. This sucks.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jan 6,2009 9:51am
haha an israeli missile struck a palestinian elementary school. are they out of their mind? they're really pushing the boundaries of "war" here.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jan 6,2009 12:28pm
If they were not afraid of world liberalism, they'd herd all Palestinians into ships and send 'em to Syria.

Multiculturalism ALWAYS fails.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jan 6,2009 12:30pm
It just shows how dumb humans are in that it's 2009 and we're still fighting over territory/land which is ultimately tied to RELIGION.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jan 6,2009 12:33pm
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
It just shows how dumb humans are in that it's 2009 and we're still fighting over territory/land which is ultimately tied to RELIGION.


Well... I disagree.

We're fighting for the ability to face reality although it's unpopular.

Judaism isn't just a religion. It's a culture, and two ethnicities which share more than they lack.

There needs to be a Jewish state.

Multiculturalism breeds us all into a lowest-common-denominator generic population.

What Israel wants, and what other groups want, is the option to determine their own future.

Problem: other people will be in the way, and will then start demanding what the more prosperous have created, just because they're human...

Fuck that. Let the best rise, and the rest will continue to do what they've (90% of humanity) always done, which is live in disorganized, dysfunctional third world poverty.

Before anyone bitches about "racism," by which I think they mean bigotry, let me say that this applies to white populations too... keep them trailers outside city limits.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jan 6,2009 12:59pm
I can see what you're saying.. there needs to be a Jewish state, yes - but in the Midst of a number of (similar) cultures that hate them so much?

Somewhat off topic, but related in the same sense: Do you REALLY think Iraq would function as one united state when there are cultural and religious differences that are much more profound than here in America? Their theocratic way of thinking is completely different than the way we think over here. It is IMPOSSIBLE.
The only way the human race can unite as one and better our civilization is if we all realize how we're all a bunch of meaningless objects floating aloft in an incomprehensible vacuum in which we call space. We either destroy ourselves, or wait for us to being enlightened.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jan 6,2009 1:03pm
On Iraq: no, I think Iraq was a creation of the race of Sodomites (British) and is profoundly divided. The Kurds are just the start. The middle east has Semitic populations, Caucasian populations, and mostly Asian/Mongol populations, and they don't like each other much -- for good reason: they're radically different.

On solution to the human species and its problems: I think what we need is reality and no more popular illusions. We also need culture instead of commerce. Nationalism is part of that.

Let me put it this way: if the American Indians had their shit together, they would have been fierce nationalists and would still exist. If the Aztecs had not kept a slave population around, they would still exist -- ditto the Maya and Inca.

This is why a lot of honest-to-god racists ("Negroes are inferior" types, a viewpoint I do not share) were opposed to slavery.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jan 6,2009 1:09pm
i don't often see eye to eye with you Sir Conservationist, but i agree with your views on multi-culturalism.



toggletoggle post by aril at Jan 6,2009 1:18pm
So it is safe to assume that any culture that is "placed" in an area where they will not be liked is (as reverend says)a "sticky situation" ?
I really do not forsee a complete solution to this Gaza conflict. You really have to look past the mainstream media here in the states and understand the Palestinian point of view. They feel like they're being overwhelmed, owned, lied to, and abused by Israeli nationalists. They have the right to be angry in my eyes.
Hypothetical situation:
Boston is a small country in itself, as is New England. Boston is surrounded by New England and is under constant pressure day in and day out. Every now and then some of Boston's citizens throw rocks, fire missiles, etc into New England to send them a message to back off. New England counters by sending their far superior Air Force in and bombing the shit out of Boston, while surrounding the city with ground forces. This is their message to Boston to stop. I'd say FUCK YOU, I'M FROM BOSTON AND WILL DIE BY MY SWORD. Eh? amirite?

Okay, my lunch break has been consumed. Thanks



toggletoggle post by SkinSandwich at Jan 6,2009 1:24pm
Genocide is always the answer.



toggletoggle post by pam   at Jan 6,2009 2:00pm edited Jan 6,2009 2:00pm
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
haha an israeli missile struck a palestinian elementary school. are they out of their mind? they're really pushing the boundaries of "war" here.


Palestine/Hamas shot a missile into my friend's neighborhood public kindergarten. Last week.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jan 6,2009 2:39pm
Intentionally? Israeli attacks are much more precise. If it was intentional, then they are cowards. If it wasn't then that's a shame and should also be mentioned. Hopefully no one was hurt?



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jan 6,2009 2:43pm
Yeti said[orig][quote]
i don't often see eye to eye with you Sir Conservationist, but i agree with your views on multi-culturalism.


Cheers to that!



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jan 6,2009 2:48pm
aril said[orig][quote]
So it is safe to assume that any culture that is "placed" in an area where they will not be liked is (as reverend says)a "sticky situation" ?
I really do not forsee a complete solution to this Gaza conflict. You really have to look past the mainstream media here in the states and understand the Palestinian point of view. They feel like they're being overwhelmed, owned, lied to, and abused by Israeli nationalists. They have the right to be angry in my eyes.
Hypothetical situation:
Boston is a small country in itself, as is New England. Boston is surrounded by New England and is under constant pressure day in and day out. Every now and then some of Boston's citizens throw rocks, fire missiles, etc into New England to send them a message to back off. New England counters by sending their far superior Air Force in and bombing the shit out of Boston, while surrounding the city with ground forces. This is their message to Boston to stop. I'd say FUCK YOU, I'M FROM BOSTON AND WILL DIE BY MY SWORD. Eh? amirite?

Okay, my lunch break has been consumed. Thanks


How does one nation with third-world technology fight a nation with first-world technology?

Answer is in American or Vietnamese revolutions... with more expendable troops and more portable tactics.

Most wars now are fought with the AK-47 and the RPG-7. They're cheap, portable, reliable and can do enough damage... just enough.

The solution is to keep the two separate. Otherwise, abuse occurs. The third-world population is used for bulk labor, and they hate the first world population, who at the same time hates them for their lower intelligence, higher crime, and the eventual revolution that will use their greater numbers to eliminate the first world population.

End result: a third world population.

It's good for no one.

I realize it seems terrible that Israel is bombing kids, schools, etc. But even with high accuracy weapons, errors occur -- what was marked "washing machine plant" has become a school, or was mismarked.

Palestinians keep launching unguided weapons into Israel, which are completely terrifying because they hit at random.

Israel has to respond if they want to stay together at all as a state. If they think critically about it, they will drive the Palestinians out and mow their own lawns (wash their own dishes, nurse their own kids) instead.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jan 6,2009 2:59pm
There's no end in sight, though. IF Palestine ultimately stops their insurgency, it will only make Israel seem more of a war-monging terrorist state in the rest of the Middle East's eyes. The whole area is fucked.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jan 6,2009 3:02pm
People are going to whine no matter what Israel does.

Instead of repeating the process, deport the Palestinians. Then it's one whine instead of one whine every nine months when tensions flare up again.

Then Palestinians live with others like them, Jews live with others like them, and any conflict comes from someone stepping over national borders.

A hidden truth about this conflict is that, since the USA took out Iraq, Iran is the only huge supporter of Palestinians. They use them to needle Israel in the hope that Israel will retaliate and make enemies by doing this.

They would make more enemies in the short term by deporting Palestinians, but fewer in the long term, AND they'd eliminate the Iranian hold on them.

It would also enable them to make Jerusalem's holy areas open to the many people who find them to be holy sites.

I am cynical about religion, also, but I think religion is just a term for any philosophy that addresses metaphysics in regard to mortality and meaning. Such a thought system is needed, and if divorced from religion/culture it becomes commercial faggotry like Malcolm Gladwell.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jan 6,2009 3:07pm
Syria + Iran are in support of HAMAS' strikes and feel their right to strike is needed.
Cynical or not about religion, one must also take into consideration that the cultures over there are much more bonded with their religion(s) than we are here. Of course, that's not for 100% of the people here, but over there, it's a way of life. They literally live and die by their beliefs.

I think the true conflict of this situation goes back to the original Crusades in the Medieval times, as well as the tribal wars and conflicts a thousand years before. It is a place such rich in history, culture, and religion, and that's why it will ultimately lead to the demise of mankind. One wrong move, and when the big brothers and big sisters get involved, a much bigger war will ensue. This is just the beginning.



toggletoggle post by Seth at Jan 6,2009 3:52pm



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jan 6,2009 4:00pm
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
One wrong move, and when the big brothers and big sisters get involved, a much bigger war will ensue. This is just the beginning.


Good thinking, I believe. The solution is in part to keep big brothers and sisters out of the region... which requires open markets for its oil.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jan 7,2009 9:00am
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/07/israel.gaza/index.html

haha, "let's bomb them, give them some bandaids, then bomb them again... repeat."



toggletoggle post by SkinSandwich at Jan 7,2009 9:22am
I hope they are Spongebob Squarepants band-aids to cheer the muslims up.



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 7,2009 10:11am
Conservationist said[orig][quote]

Judaism isn't just a religion. It's a culture, and two ethnicities which share more than they lack.



I strongly disagree.

the jewish religion has nothing to do with ethnicity, although zionist jews seem to think they are an ethnic group.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jan 7,2009 10:23am
A number of Israeli nationals are originally of Russian/Eastern European origin.



toggletoggle post by Liberals suck at Jan 7,2009 11:04am
niccolai said[orig][quote]
Conservationist said[orig][quote]

Judaism isn't just a religion. It's a culture, and two ethnicities which share more than they lack.



I strongly disagree.

the jewish religion has nothing to do with ethnicity, although zionist jews seem to think they are an ethnic group.


Jews are a bloodline and a race just like africans, hispanics, indians, etc. and Judaism is probably the most ethnocentric religion in the history of the world. Jews view themselves as "God's Chosen" ones, exalted above the Goys. Glad I could clear that up for ya dumb dumb...



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 7,2009 11:09am
Well you didn't.

Jews are not a bloodline. It's a religious choice.


and I don't care how many opinionated articles and sources you link on here that some zionist wrote. being jewish is a choice, not a racial background.

The next person that tells me they are a quarter irish, a quarter mexican, and 'like 10% jewish' is going to get thrown up on.


I will never acknowlage jews as being a race of people, so don't bother trying to enlighten me.



toggletoggle post by Liberals suck at Jan 7,2009 11:14am
Wow, a 21 year old douche bag just re wrote history... I'm so impressed!!! You need a good slap



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 7,2009 11:16am
mhm. Slap me because zionist jews are delusional.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jan 7,2009 11:18am
the original "jewish" bloodline is of middle-eastern origin. most (and I use that term loosely) today are not middle-eastern. they are, like I said above, eastern european/russian origin.
but I'm not Jewish so i really can't speak for what they believe.



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 7,2009 11:24am
You're right. And I'm aware of what the books say.

But these days Madona picks up the torah and all of a sudden her kids are half jewish.

and I don't understand why non-israeli jews get pissed off about this, since Israel doesn't care for jews outside of plaestine.

Chaim Weizman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weizman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jan 7,2009 11:30am
Regardless of whether or not Israelis are jewish (which they are for the most part), if one is to look at this war for what it is, to me, it's obvious that Israel is an extreme aggressor and instigator in the middle east. They are surrounded by nations that hate them though, so it's really a tough situation.
Israel was a risky concept, and now it just seems to be an American outpost in the MiddleEast. that's all it is, from a military/strategic perspective..

on a side note, israel has some decent black metal bands. haha



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 7,2009 11:39am
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
Regardless of whether or not Israelis are jewish (which they are for the most part), if one is to look at this war for what it is, to me, it's obvious that Israel is an extreme aggressor and instigator in the middle east. They are surrounded by nations that hate them though, so it's really a tough situation.
Israel was a risky concept, and now it just seems to be an American outpost in the MiddleEast. that's all it is, from a military/strategic perspective..

on a side note, israel has some decent black metal bands. haha


They are surrounded by nations that hate them, but I would suggest if Israel didn't do things like setup false-flags to instigate war, steal land, kill civillian women and children, and build racial colonies, that they wouldn't be having so much of a tough time.

It's not like surrounding nations pose a real threat to Israel, which has the 4th largest airforce, nuclear weapons, and financial and military support from the US.

and I don't see israel as a US outpost either since the US is being manipulated by israel, occasionally spied on, and victimised by israel's constant false-flag opperations.

I would suggest that Israel gets American support because our defense dept makes an absolute killing off of the arms deals. Which of course is paid for by US tax money.



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 7,2009 11:40am
Maybe if I were into black metal, I would see israel in a different light though.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jan 7,2009 3:50pm edited Jan 7,2009 3:51pm
Liberals%20suck said[orig][quote]
Jews are a bloodline and a race just like africans, hispanics, indians, etc. and Judaism is probably the most ethnocentric religion in the history of the world.


We can all learn from Judaism.

It also has successively produced smarter people, where Christianity and liberalism produce dumber people.

German neo-Nazis: We're pro-Israel, condemn anti-Semitism



toggletoggle post by pam   at Jan 7,2009 5:15pm
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
Intentionally? Israeli attacks are much more precise. If it was intentional, then they are cowards. If it wasn't then that's a shame and should also be mentioned. Hopefully no one was hurt?


Dude. Hamas is a fucked up, terrorist organization. They are hollering about women and children when they strap fucking bombs to them and send them into buildings without batting an eyelash. They may lack the military equipment to be precise but if they're so fucking in the right, why is it raining missiles on my friend in Be'er Sheva, a residential area, daily. Her housing community is sleeping in shifts so parents can try to sleep without worrying they won't get their kids into the bomb shelter fast enough.

There is innocent life being taken on BOTH sides of this. On purpose. It's called war. Palestine isn't to blame, Hamas is. They're firing rockets at a huge fucking army...what does everyone expect Israel to do? Of course they're going to fight back and clobber Palestine.

You can't demonize one side and not the other, we take thousands of innocent lives in our "war on terror". Terrorists hit a few places in our country, we leveled 2 countries.

The kindergarten was fortunately empty and the sirens caught the missile so no one was hurt. The sirens in Be'er Sheva went down for a whole night last week and hit some unsuspecting neighborhood. People died. There's no military targets, Hamas doesn't give a shit anymore than Israel.

The whole situation fucking sucks, but it's not going to stop. War for ethnic and religious reasons never do.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jan 7,2009 5:38pm
I'm not justifying their actions. The whole war is in fact not justifiable by any means. There is no END in sight.
What I believe though, is that the Israeli air force and Israeli army BELIEVE their actions are justified, as does the other side. And you're right, that's what happens in war. However, as history shows, the Palestinian people have been constantly pushed back further and further, by an "elitist" and superior military. I can understand their anger towards the Israeli military. Simple as that.
I do not support either side in this situation, nor will I ever. I just think it's downright idiotic to escalate this situation more than it already is; and I am telling you right now, as I stated above, once the big brothers and big sisters (US, IRAN, SYRIA, RUSSIA, EU and so on) get "too" involved, it will have a devastating effect on the world. Whether or not you support misanthropy like some people here, well, that's up to you.
The fact remains: Israel does not HELP WORLD RELATIONS ONE BIT. Pro-Semitic, Anti-Semitic, what-have-you, I think it’s blatantly obvious that too much tension is caused because of the current state of affairs in the Middle East, especially this portion. That is my neutral opinion on this situation.



toggletoggle post by pam   at Jan 7,2009 5:42pm
We're in total agreement on the mess that's coming...



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jan 7,2009 5:48pm
I think it's beyond the point where world governments (NWO soon =/) can just "give up" on Israel and let them fend for yourself. That's not going to happen anytime soon. Therein lies the problem: we are forever tied to Israel and give them mass amounts of weapons, etc. It's not good in the long run. There really is no solution, honestly. I'd hate to say it, but I don't think any politician of any government has the ability to help the situation out and make all countries in the middle-east hold hands and dance around in a field of daisies. It's never going to happen.. that's the problem. We are doomed. Doooooomed I tell ya.



toggletoggle post by badroad at Jan 7,2009 5:54pm
wow.lots of smart people with good opinions on here.
lots of racist douchebags too.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jan 7,2009 5:56pm
pam said[orig][quote]
Hamas is a fucked up, terrorist organization.


Pam, you're sounding like George Bush.

Hamas is also democratically-elected.

However, I agree with Pam: Hamas is not the solution here. They're lobbying dumb rockets into Israel and scaring the crap out of people and paralyzing the economy.

The problem is that the situation creates opportunities for dissent.

The multicultural state always fails. Palestinians, ethnically, belong in Syria. There they have self-rule and are not surrounded by people that, if we're honest, we admit their religion detests.

Separation seems so harsh... yet it's not. It's the way to a lasting stability, because if national borders exist, acts of war are clear violations of those borders.

As it is now, with everyone mixed up, Hamas gets to wage guerrilla warfare against Israel and then squeal about abuse when Israel retaliates. Country within a country. A tale of two cities. The situation is permanently screwed, so why not just change it?

And deport all non-Europeans back to Africa, because multiculturalism isn't working here.

http://www.colorofcrime.com/

1. Minorities are waging guerrilla warfare against the demographic majority.
2. Minorities are destroying themselves as well.

If multiculturalism doesn't work for any groups, regardless of what ethnicities are involved, blame multiculturalism and separate everyone, then enjoy the lasting peace -- you've found a better design.



toggletoggle post by SkinSandwich at Jan 7,2009 5:57pm
Shutup nigger.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jan 7,2009 6:00pm



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 7,2009 7:45pm edited Jan 7,2009 8:01pm
pam said[orig][quote]
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
Intentionally? Israeli attacks are much more precise. If it was intentional, then they are cowards. If it wasn't then that's a shame and should also be mentioned. Hopefully no one was hurt?


Dude. Hamas is a fucked up, terrorist organization. They are hollering about women and children when they strap fucking bombs to them and send them into buildings without batting an eyelash. They may lack the military equipment to be precise but if they're so fucking in the right, why is it raining missiles on my friend in Be'er Sheva, a residential area, daily. Her housing community is sleeping in shifts so parents can try to sleep without worrying they won't get their kids into the bomb shelter fast enough.

There is innocent life being taken on BOTH sides of this. On purpose. It's called war. Palestine isn't to blame, Hamas is. They're firing rockets at a huge fucking army...what does everyone expect Israel to do? Of course they're going to fight back and clobber Palestine.

You can't demonize one side and not the other, we take thousands of innocent lives in our "war on terror". Terrorists hit a few places in our country, we leveled 2 countries.

The kindergarten was fortunately empty and the sirens caught the missile so no one was hurt. The sirens in Be'er Sheva went down for a whole night last week and hit some unsuspecting neighborhood. People died. There's no military targets, Hamas doesn't give a shit anymore than Israel.

The whole situation fucking sucks, but it's not going to stop. War for ethnic and religious reasons never do.


Hamas is not a terrorist organization. And it's funny you should say that, since hamas was actually created by israel. But either way, Hamas doesn't speak on behalf of the people of palestine, so why would a country as technologically advanced in intelligence as Israel need to target civilian casualties?

Hamas (if they actually were to make an offensive on israel) is doing to Isreal what the Colonies did to England during the quartering act.

I agree that Hamas suicide bombing people is retarded, as it just gives Israel more of a deceptive excuse to do what they're doing... which is why I'm not convinved that Hamas is even doing this. Sounds like more Israel False Flag ops to me.

Hamas aren't morons. They are capable of organizing proper offensives.

I would suggest palestine is reacting to Israels offensives (illegal occupation, civilian targeting, aparthied walls, etc) in a despirate, but acceptable way. Not actually organizing offensives like Israel has done to them, labanon, and will likely do to iran and Syria.

If Palestine were doing to israel as israel has done to palestine, you're friend wouldn't haveto be hiding in a bomb shelter for safety because her home would already have been demolished to make room for arab-only colonies and she would be living in a 'refugee/concentration camp'



toggletoggle post by SkinSandwich at Jan 7,2009 8:17pm edited Jan 7,2009 8:27pm
Where is Hitler when you need him. He would clean this mess right up. And swiftly too!

Big whoop! You wanna fight about it!?




toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 7,2009 9:02pm
actually, hitler was just as bad.

recieving money to finance his war from the same deceptive zionists setting up false flags now about to draw the US into war with Iran.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jan 8,2009 1:18am
The Holocaust was pretty bad/stupid IMHO



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Jan 8,2009 1:29am
I preferred the Water Polo-caust



toggletoggle post by bob barker at Jan 8,2009 4:08am
Germany kills millions of Jews. Therefore Jews get Palestine. Makes sense to me!



toggletoggle post by SkinSandwich at Jan 8,2009 7:49am
The USA has killed tons of Iraqis, maybe they should get Florida.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jan 8,2009 10:06am
Obama's going to have a lot of shit on his plate when he takes office.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jan 8,2009 10:24am
bob%20barker said[orig][quote]
Germany kills millions of Jews. Therefore Jews get Palestine. Makes sense to me!


We need a safe place for Jews. Florida wasn't an option at the time.



toggletoggle post by bob barker at Jan 9,2009 1:21am
Conservationist said[orig][quote]
bob%20barker said[orig][quote]
Germany kills millions of Jews. Therefore Jews get Palestine. Makes sense to me!


We need a safe place for Jews. Florida wasn't an option at the time.


Why couldn't they get part of Germany???



toggletoggle post by convolutionist at Jan 9,2009 7:19am
As of Thursday, 257 children were among the approximately 760 reported dead in Gaza. There were another 1,080 children among the 3,100 injured in the conflict... GO JEWS! Kill the filthy arab niggers!



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 9,2009 10:05am
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
Obama's going to have a lot of shit on his plate when he takes office.


he won't do any thing.

he has the same voting record as mcain and bush.

he will continue to fund israel (and possibly send the us to help attack palestine and iran) along with his chief of staff Rahm Emanuel (an israeli jew who's father was an 'israeli' terrorist who used to blow up palestinian children)

Your taxes will go up. inflation will go up. numbers of dead US troops will go up. military spending will go up. your standard of living will go down.

80-85 percent of americans don't support our war on the middle east.

So how did we elect a man to office who wants to increase conflict there?


because you're all retarded and get your facts from bill o riley and the rest of the fox news gestapo.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jan 9,2009 10:18am
I don't know if you're gerneralizing the US as a whole with that statement, or reflecting what you quoted me with.. but I don't watch fox news often, and when I do, it's only to have a good laugh while watching O'reilly. fox news is a joke.. any intelligent right or left wing person should realize that.



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 9,2009 10:41am edited Jan 9,2009 10:41am
That wasn't aimed at you. Just generalizing fat soccermoms who feel like they have a right to vote.



bennyhillifier



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jan 9,2009 10:47am
wait,niccolai, you live in the hanson area right? if so, we should discuss this over a few beers. or if you don't drink, water?



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jan 9,2009 4:06pm
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/09/zeitoun.gaza.israel/index.html

Israel supposedly killed a bunch of civilians in shelters.



toggletoggle post by Seth at Jan 9,2009 6:13pm
Kill kill blood over the holyland!



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jan 9,2009 10:20pm
bob%20barker said[orig][quote]
Conservationist said[orig][quote]
bob%20barker said[orig][quote]
Germany kills millions of Jews. Therefore Jews get Palestine. Makes sense to me!


We need a safe place for Jews. Florida wasn't an option at the time.


Why couldn't they get part of Germany???


Doesn't make sense. Sephardim are southern European-North African, and Ashkenazim are Asiatics.



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 9,2009 11:40pm
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
wait,niccolai, you live in the hanson area right? if so, we should discuss this over a few beers. or if you don't drink, water?



Yea man. def. I'm in whitman right bythe whitman/hanson highschool.



toggletoggle post by pam   at Jan 9,2009 11:48pm
niccolai said[orig][quote]
pam said[orig][quote]
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
Intentionally? Israeli attacks are much more precise. If it was intentional, then they are cowards. If it wasn't then that's a shame and should also be mentioned. Hopefully no one was hurt?


Dude. Hamas is a fucked up, terrorist organization. They are hollering about women and children when they strap fucking bombs to them and send them into buildings without batting an eyelash. They may lack the military equipment to be precise but if they're so fucking in the right, why is it raining missiles on my friend in Be'er Sheva, a residential area, daily. Her housing community is sleeping in shifts so parents can try to sleep without worrying they won't get their kids into the bomb shelter fast enough.

There is innocent life being taken on BOTH sides of this. On purpose. It's called war. Palestine isn't to blame, Hamas is. They're firing rockets at a huge fucking army...what does everyone expect Israel to do? Of course they're going to fight back and clobber Palestine.

You can't demonize one side and not the other, we take thousands of innocent lives in our "war on terror". Terrorists hit a few places in our country, we leveled 2 countries.

The kindergarten was fortunately empty and the sirens caught the missile so no one was hurt. The sirens in Be'er Sheva went down for a whole night last week and hit some unsuspecting neighborhood. People died. There's no military targets, Hamas doesn't give a shit anymore than Israel.

The whole situation fucking sucks, but it's not going to stop. War for ethnic and religious reasons never do.


Hamas is not a terrorist organization. And it's funny you should say that, since hamas was actually created by israel. But either way, Hamas doesn't speak on behalf of the people of palestine, so why would a country as technologically advanced in intelligence as Israel need to target civilian casualties?

Hamas (if they actually were to make an offensive on israel) is doing to Isreal what the Colonies did to England during the quartering act.

I agree that Hamas suicide bombing people is retarded, as it just gives Israel more of a deceptive excuse to do what they're doing... which is why I'm not convinved that Hamas is even doing this. Sounds like more Israel False Flag ops to me.

Hamas aren't morons. They are capable of organizing proper offensives.

I would suggest palestine is reacting to Israels offensives (illegal occupation, civilian targeting, aparthied walls, etc) in a despirate, but acceptable way. Not actually organizing offensives like Israel has done to them, labanon, and will likely do to iran and Syria.

If Palestine were doing to israel as israel has done to palestine, you're friend wouldn't haveto be hiding in a bomb shelter for safety because her home would already have been demolished to make room for arab-only colonies and she would be living in a 'refugee/concentration camp'


Um, Hi.
You just said the following in the same reply:

"Hamas is not a terrorist organization"
and then
"I agree that Hamas suicide bombing people is retarded"

Just wanted to point that out.

Also if you think those elections were in any way clean, the LOLz are on you.




toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 10,2009 12:03am edited Jan 10,2009 12:15am
pam said[orig][quote]
niccolai said[orig][quote]
pam said[orig][quote]
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
Intentionally? Israeli attacks are much more precise. If it was intentional, then they are cowards. If it wasn't then that's a shame and should also be mentioned. Hopefully no one was hurt?


Dude. Hamas is a fucked up, terrorist organization. They are hollering about women and children when they strap fucking bombs to them and send them into buildings without batting an eyelash. They may lack the military equipment to be precise but if they're so fucking in the right, why is it raining missiles on my friend in Be'er Sheva, a residential area, daily. Her housing community is sleeping in shifts so parents can try to sleep without worrying they won't get their kids into the bomb shelter fast enough.

There is innocent life being taken on BOTH sides of this. On purpose. It's called war. Palestine isn't to blame, Hamas is. They're firing rockets at a huge fucking army...what does everyone expect Israel to do? Of course they're going to fight back and clobber Palestine.

You can't demonize one side and not the other, we take thousands of innocent lives in our "war on terror". Terrorists hit a few places in our country, we leveled 2 countries.

The kindergarten was fortunately empty and the sirens caught the missile so no one was hurt. The sirens in Be'er Sheva went down for a whole night last week and hit some unsuspecting neighborhood. People died. There's no military targets, Hamas doesn't give a shit anymore than Israel.

The whole situation fucking sucks, but it's not going to stop. War for ethnic and religious reasons never do.


Hamas is not a terrorist organization. And it's funny you should say that, since hamas was actually created by israel. But either way, Hamas doesn't speak on behalf of the people of palestine, so why would a country as technologically advanced in intelligence as Israel need to target civilian casualties?

Hamas (if they actually were to make an offensive on israel) is doing to Isreal what the Colonies did to England during the quartering act.

I agree that Hamas suicide bombing people is retarded, as it just gives Israel more of a deceptive excuse to do what they're doing... which is why I'm not convinved that Hamas is even doing this. Sounds like more Israel False Flag ops to me.

Hamas aren't morons. They are capable of organizing proper offensives.

I would suggest palestine is reacting to Israels offensives (illegal occupation, civilian targeting, aparthied walls, etc) in a despirate, but acceptable way. Not actually organizing offensives like Israel has done to them, labanon, and will likely do to iran and Syria.

If Palestine were doing to israel as israel has done to palestine, you're friend wouldn't haveto be hiding in a bomb shelter for safety because her home would already have been demolished to make room for arab-only colonies and she would be living in a 'refugee/concentration camp'


Um, Hi.
You just said the following in the same reply:

"Hamas is not a terrorist organization"
and then
"I agree that Hamas suicide bombing people is retarded"

Just wanted to point that out.

Also if you think those elections were in any way clean, the LOLz are on you.




Keep reading after I say hamas suicide bombing people is retarded. they smell like false flag attacks to me.

There is no such thing as a 'clean election' which is how a country where 80+% of citizens don't think we should be at war with the middle east, yet a pro war democrat gets elected and virtually every anti-war candidate gets no media coverage.


By the way, here are a couple pictures from the 3 medical clinics Israel targeted with DIME missles (which are against the Geneva convention that Israel doesn't seem to care too much about) They are highly destructive, carcinogenic, and have high infection/amputation rates... especially when used on the children that Israel seems to think are the main targets here.

also see white phosphorus missles (again, chemical weapon banned by the geneva convention, which is what we accused Saddam hussein of using before we invaded). Israel seems to think these are a must-have fashion accessory to every woman and child in gaza, just like the fucking hand lotion they are selling to us in mall kiosks.








This is what happens to middle school childen that don't cooperate with Mossad:






toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Jan 10,2009 12:12am
SkinSandwich said[orig][quote]
niccolai said[orig][quote]
SkinSandwich said[orig][quote]
Who cares!? This happens all the fucking time between these two. I love how people are acting like this is something new. GASP!
I care for one because half of my tax money goes to the expansion of Isreal's corrupt zionist empire.


Do what I do. Work under the table. Then the big noses won't get yer cash.
FIXED!
for some reason, this post was hilarious to me



toggletoggle post by pam   at Jan 10,2009 12:13am
Did I ever say what Israel is doing is right? Nope.
I'm just saying that if you think Hamas are in any way just some gosh-golly-gee swell fuckin guys, you're either willfully or genetically ignorant.

Palestine's elections were a joke. Hamas has a stranglehold on Palestine, the US was just content to see them take power in a fake bullshit election.

Israel are a bunch of bullying fucking dicks.
But guess who else is? HAMAS. HEZBOLLAH. ET AL.

If poor wittle Hamas didn't want their women (who ya know...aren't people) and children getting blown up, maybe they shouldn't be firing rockets at the school jocks? And yes, they're hitting civilians, too.

And I know from someone who lives there...mostly in her bomb shelter. Not the fucking media.



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 10,2009 12:32am edited Jan 10,2009 12:40am
We can't point fingers at who's stupid all day Pam, but I don't think you're one of the lame people on the board so I'd really rather not do that and just stick to the debate.

I can't stress the false flag theorum enough.

As far as women not being people, i'd haveto say that arab mothers are the most important people in the palestinian community. Mothers are reguarded with respect and admiration throughout 'most' of the arab world, the way children are reguarded here. (read up about the palestinian AWA, or simply just call an arab man a 'son of a bitch'.)

Even if palestinians were suicide bombing israel by the hundreds, I don't think that's really unacceptable (other then the fact that it gives Israel more support in the media). Israel is illegally stealing their land, farms, and lives with illegal weapons, and specifically targeting the wrong kind of people. Just as I think it wouldn't be too unorthadox to see a jew in a concentration camp suicide bomb german civilians.

People do extraordinary things when put in dire situations.

Israel wouldn't haveto worry about being attacked if they followed the geneva convention, the david accords, the oslow accords, Strasbourg Agreement, Brussels Convention, the 1st and 2nd peace hague, and the ottoman manifest. They violate virtually every law in the book and carry out war crimes like they get paid for it (which they do). They are the only 'civilized' country in which torture is legal (and that's my any means necessary, with no age or gender exemptions).







toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Jan 10,2009 12:36am
At the very LEAST I would like to see America discontinue support of Israel and let them fight the entire arab nation with there own means and not my tax money... but then they would get wiped off the map and our racist, zionist dept. of defense and cheif of staff rahm emanuel would never let that happen.

I'm helping pay for a genocide that I do not agree with; perpetrated by men I did not elect.



I think that every person willing to die for Israel, quite simply should die for Israel, and stop killing for Israel.



toggletoggle post by pam   at Jan 10,2009 11:38am
niccolai said[orig][quote]
We can't point fingers at who's stupid all day Pam, but I don't think you're one of the lame people on the board so I'd really rather not do that and just stick to the debate.

I can't stress the false flag theorum enough.

As far as women not being people, i'd haveto say that arab mothers are the most important people in the palestinian community. Mothers are reguarded with respect and admiration throughout 'most' of the arab world, the way children are reguarded here. (read up about the palestinian AWA, or simply just call an arab man a 'son of a bitch'.)

Even if palestinians were suicide bombing israel by the hundreds, I don't think that's really unacceptable (other then the fact that it gives Israel more support in the media). Israel is illegally stealing their land, farms, and lives with illegal weapons, and specifically targeting the wrong kind of people. Just as I think it wouldn't be too unorthadox to see a jew in a concentration camp suicide bomb german civilians.

People do extraordinary things when put in dire situations.

Israel wouldn't haveto worry about being attacked if they followed the geneva convention, the david accords, the oslow accords, Strasbourg Agreement, Brussels Convention, the 1st and 2nd peace hague, and the ottoman manifest. They violate virtually every law in the book and carry out war crimes like they get paid for it (which they do). They are the only 'civilized' country in which torture is legal (and that's my any means necessary, with no age or gender exemptions).






Again, I never said Israel was in the right. They're greedy bullies.
Palestine = MUSLIM = Women are not people. Mothers are regarded as less than dirt because that is their sole function on the planet. Don't get me started on the Muslim treatment of women.

We're obviously not going to agree on Hamas, that's fine but I will absolutely fight you if you think they treat women well in Palestine. FIGHT YOU!!!

And I don't think you're ignorant, this shit just goes up my ass.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jan 10,2009 11:44am
Mothers are always the most important part of any community. No perpetuation = failure at the game of natural selection.

Here's BHL's take on the conflict:

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=...555be7f-dd65-4941-bfa7-a5197b5e8bbe

I think people should ask themselves:

What's the best long term solution for the region?

Muslims and Jews aren't going to turn hippie overnight. For one thing, their values are radically different.

I wonder how apartheid states come about. Maybe a small, less advanced population is used for raw labor, and then revolts, in effect destroying the state?

I mean... how many of you would want to live in:

(a) South Africa now -- highest rate of rape and crime for any industrialized society.
(b) Gaza strip under Hamas -- your grindcore band may get you killed here.

Even more, do you think those societies would last? South Africa went from being a world power to being nobody overnight. Gaza... what comes out of Gaza? Dried date palms?



toggletoggle post by pam   at Jan 11,2009 3:53pm
For anyone that still thinks Hamas isn't targeting civilians, here's today update from my friend, Yael:

"Today Tal [her husband] started his new job. At 07:15 we dropped him off at the train station, and then I took the kids straight to daycare. Where I came to realize What A Good Thing it is that they are in a bomb shelter. Just as I had given my parting kisses and headed for the door, the sirens went off. In a matter of seconds, the whole fucking neighborhood was crammed into my kids daycare center, which also doubles as the neighborhood shelter.

I sat down on the floor next to Neta [her daughter] and a friend of hers, and sang a song with them, and then came the booms. Boom. Boom. BOOM. That last one was so fucking close that the cast iron doors covering the cast concrete windows shuddered and groaned. As I realized how close it must have been, the first thought that went through my head was “oh fuck, the train station”. My guts turned simultaneously to stone and mush and everything in between as I hoped that Tal was not on the train yet. Because the bombs fell just about when the train was supposed to be entering the station. It took me a minute until I located a phone and called him. All he had to say about it is that he was going to be really late for work.

We waited the mandatory five, and then I said goodbye again, and went on with my day. Treated myself to breakfast at a cafe, then ran some errands, then came back home. There were a few minor injuries reported and that was it. So far, Beer Sheva has been very fortunate. For the fourth largest city in Israel (albeit just about 250K people, no more), you would expect a lot more of the bombs that fell here to hit places with people in them. I don’t know who it is looking out for us, but thank you.

Well, on with life, I guess."


LUCK has kept the CIVILIANS of Be'er Sheeva mostly safe so far, not the fucking kindness of Hamas.



toggletoggle post by pam   at Jan 11,2009 4:00pm
Here's the classroom they hit the other week with a grad missile




toggletoggle post by dogmeat at Jan 11,2009 8:25pm
big deal. fuck the jews.



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