So I've been looking for a new job for about 3 months now, and I've gotten ONE INTERVIEW so far, which has been just a tad frustrating. Seems somehow CVS got ahold of my resume', someone passed it onto them I guess. They've called me twice over the 2 months, first time went well, they offered me $12/hour to sit and answer technical support phone calls...which I figured I could stand for a few months. I asked if it was possible to get Tuesdays off (band practice), and they didn't call back for a month. 2nd call they left a message, I called back...no response until today. They call, say I can get Tuesdays off, and everything sounds all good...I'm all excited, maybe I'll be able to pay my rent now...but no, she mentions there's a pre-employment drug test.
WTF? There goes that job. It's not that I don't think I'd pass a drug test, nothing to do with that, (I passed down a job like this 5-6 years ago when I only smoked pot once every 3 months), it's that a drug test is fucking invading my privacy and spitting in the face of my consitutional rights. Sorry people, but CVS has no right whatsoever to know what anyone does in their spare time. I'm not peeing in a cup for any corporation. CVS has no right to know what's in my body, and the fact that they'd want to know speaks volumes of how much they must trust their employees. Alcoholism and lack of sleep account for majority of workplace production loss and accidents...and neither of those show up in a piss test. You could do a line of coke before you go to work, take a drug test a few hours later and come out clean, and don't even get me going on the rate of false positives. Fuck any company that uses drug testing.

FOURTH AMENDMENT [U.S. Constitution] - 'The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.'

So now I'm getting e-mails from Bank Of America offering a teller position...I suck at math..this will be fun..

when I moved down here to TN I had a hard time finding a job because of drug tests. My wife told me a trick she used to use, and this involved not having to go out and buy golden seal or any of that other money wasting shit. Apply for the job and when they set up the time for the drug test, 2-3 hours before start drinking a gallon of water. Make sure the whole gallon is gone by the time you need to leave for the test. I did it and by the time I went into the clinic to take the test I was pissing out pure water and they never found anything in my system. I had smoked two bowls the night before the test and had been smoking everry day before that. So, drink a gallon of water like I said and by the time you piss it'll be nothing but water. It fuckin works!!! I had to test for FedEx/ Kinkos and I know they tested it good.

Bank Of America doesnt do drug testing?

And yes, asking for your piss may invade your rights, but the company has the right to ask for it. Good for you for not going through it though; at least you stand for something (unlike 99% of the population).

and I don't think it has anything to do with "invasion of privacy". Think about this, would you want a crackhead or heroin shooting junky to work for you if you owned a business? Pot is no big deal in most people's eyes, but crackheads and dopeheads are pretty well known to lie, steal, cheat, etc. I wouldn't want them working for me either, and if I owned a business I sure as would drug test people just for that reason alone.

what Nate said about the water. did you also know that if you have over 8 glasses of water you can literally be drunk off of it. I learned that is class this past semester. I guess some parents actually killed their daughter, making her drink over 30 glasses of water as some punishment. how's the grass down in TN Nate?

it's damned good Josh. Most people around here don't smoke schwag so it's all hydro. The first bag we got when we came down I tore open a bud and little tiny crystals were inside, almost looked like the buds were full of a coke like substance. You barely need to smoke a whole joint and you get pretty baked.

I haven't laughed this hard from weed since I was a teenager, so yeah for the most part it's pretty good. We got a new connection and I'm gonna see what he's got tonight.

you know what, i took a pee test for best buy and got ten bucks to start doing warehouse.....and can pay my bills and pay shit i want.

get a job you lazy hippie !!!!

^^ Do you get any kind of discount? ;)

Maery said:

yes, yes i do.......and you go to my store as well as brad, ha !

anonymous said:

Donno, I figured they might, but it doesn't have that "drug free workplace" crap on their website...Bank Of America makes me nauseous anyways...they're pure evil. The pre-employment drug test..it's like you're guilty until proven otherwise...and it's none of their business to begin with, what's next? if I work there I have to have cameras intstalled in my house so they can monitor what I do at home?. fuck that.

WWW: What kind of discount?.. heh

Maery said:

it varies, like i told the rev it's not like a set in stone discount for every item. it's different for everything.

Goddamn it. Just answer the question? Is it like a percentage? Tell me!?!??!!?!

*cough*

Nate said:

If a crackhead or heroin addict goes to an interview, and no one at the company can tell that they are a crackhead, then that's the company's problem. I think I'd be able to figure that out and avoid hiring those people. But to degrade and invade the privacy of the other 98% of applicants is retarded.

“If we choose to violate the rights of the innocent in order to discover and act against the guilty, then we have transformed our country into a police state and abandoned one of the fundamental tenants of a free society. In order to win the war on drugs, we must not sacrifice the life of the Constitution in the battle.”
~US District Judge H. Lee Sarokin~

Maery said:

i have a multipass

HailTheLeaf said:

you can thank the reagan area republicans for passing the bill to give coporate america tax breaks for pee testing their employees.

Nate said:


Funny point, since crack cocaine and heroin are less likely to get picked up by urine screening.

http://www.nontesterslist.com/nontesters/

companies that do and don't drug test...

ArrowHead nli said:

it was just an example. And if someone were a crackhead/ dopehead that would mean they would use quite a bit, more than likely it would show on a test. They screen alot down here in the south because there is a major meth problem in Knoxville so they want to make sure those idiots don't get a job so they can fuck with the company.

Hailtheleaf - No dig at you man but there is no conspiracy to put cameras in your home so CVS can watch whether you smoke a joint or not. Get a job, I hear that most dishwashers don't have to take drug tests.

BornSoVile said:

see? water killed someone, they better start testing people for water now, it's dangerous!!!

i could understand your argument more if your current company suddenly began drug testing, but as far as a screening for employment, i don't see the problem. every interview that i've had, if they screen, they tell me in advance. then i simply choose whether or not i want to work there.
i do agree that it makes no sense at all why they would screen for THC, but not harder drugs. (seeing how it's CVS, maybe painkillers would be a good idea!)
and why don't hospitals screen their doctors and nurses for bloodbourne pathogens? now, that would make sense...

Nate said:

Actually, the only way cocaine (or crack) will show up on a pee test is if you were fucking a big pile of coke right before taking the test. This is why I personally wash my dick whenever I have to pee in a cup.

good thinking...

DomesticTerror said:

Makes perfect sense.

Pot is the easiest, cheapest, and legally most justifiable drug to test for. A folicle test can be 200% more expensive, and since usage from years past can be detected it's more easily challenged in court. Federal agencies, like the FBI, do folicle tests and will not hire anyone who has done ANY illegal drugs within the past 15 years.

As for why they test for THC at all, that's pretty sensible too. You're in a pharmacy. Someone who tests positive for recreational drug use is a lot more likely to steal prescription meds than someone who does not. Same reason it's a bad idea to hire a fat chick to guard a box of donuts.

To Whom It May Concern,

I was recently contacted by your company for possible employment as a technical service representative in Woonsocket, RI. I'm very interested in this position, but was troubled by the company's position on pre-employment drug testing. I feel this is a violation of privacy, not to mention the 4th amendment, It doesn't really portray a trusting releationship between employer and employee, more of a 'guilty until proven otherwise' feel. Ten years of research has shown that drug tests do not pay dividends in decreased accidents and absenteeism or increased efficiency and productivity. Alcoholism and lack of sleep cause the majority of workplace accidents and loss of productivity, yet neither of these show up in drug tests. There are alternatives that don't invade employees rights and privacy, Hand-eye coordination testing, and Eye/retina scan. Performance testing is a daily skills test which tests the reflexes and performance ability of your employees for today and today only. Unlike drug testing, Performance testing IS Constitutionally friendly and does NOT differentiate between the legal or illegal drug user, the alcoholic, the stressed, the sick, or the tired and fatigued. Performance testing catches those high risk employees no matter what their private life styles are.
If you ever decide to rethink your policy, I'd love to discuss employment options.

It's a pharmacy dude, I'm pretty sure the testing is federally, or at least state, required. Same thing for transportation jobs, so give up the idea of driving a cab or getting a trucking license.

with a letter like that you can kiss that job goodbye. there are plenty of other people that'll take the job and they'll probaby have the position filled the moment they read your letter. Rather than pissing and moaning about stuff and standing up for your rights by not taking a job because of drug testing, bite the bullet and get a fucking job. 3 months to get a job is ridiculous. My father once said to me "if you can't get the job you're looking for right away, get anything you can to hold you over so you at least have money coming in, than worry about the better job." This made perfect sense to me and I am currently working a job, which I had to drug test for, until I get the job I really want to do that goes along with the career I have chosen. So get a job.

Even though I'm arguing so much, I actually have the same stance as you.

I've been trying to find a new job for a long time now, and every time I find something I would like, I find out they drug test. I don't some high moral reason for not taking a job where I'm tested, I just have no desire to pass one.

I don't bring it to work. I don't do it at work. I don't show up for work stoned. No matter what job I've had, I've always been one of the best, most productive employees there. I think it's rediculous that I couldn't get hired to stock shelves at wal-mart. I go there at night. I watch some retard spend over an hour stocking a freezer aisle half the size of ones I've done at my old job in 15 minutes. That's sad.

Drug testing is biased profiling of potential employees in order to help control shrink and liability. It's bullshit. I'd only agree with it if there was a way to test ONLY for the duration the employee is working for. Frankly, good management and peer employees can usually spot problem behavior at work long before the employees next drug test is due.

Nate said:

AMEN!

I tell my employees and friends that EXACT same thing all the time. Our fathers seem to have told us the same thing.

I had a kid say he wanted to walk out and quit. I told him he was retarded. Why would anyone willingly go unemployeed? If you have a means of income, hold onto it. If it's not enough or you don't like it, supplement it or find another job FIRST.

I got fired from a security job I used to work. I got a blowjob in my car, and the property manager saw it. I went out the next morning to a temp agency, and got a shitty low paying job packing boxes that day. I kept working the temp assignment while I scheduled real interviews. It didn't pay my bills, but I can't imagine how much more things would have sucked if I didn't even have that few hundred a week coming in.

Seriously, when I see people say they have no job, and I see a NOW HIRING sign in every McDonalds I walk past, I get queasy.

Nate said:

Hey dude, you can sell out all you want, I'm not pissing in a cup for anyone but my doctor. I'm not giving up my rights for any job.

whiskey_weed_and_women said:

HailTheLeaf said:

You're totally right man, I sold out. I pissed in a cup to get a job so my family wouldn't starve, so we would have a roof over our heads and a bed to sleep in. You are right though, I sold out...

Get a job!

haha

nate, you are my hero today

heh

I just go crazy when I hear people bitching about something as simple as getting a job. I've worked at Burger King just so I could have a job. I held onto that job until the one I was looking for became available. That being said I went from flipping burgers to making $35,000 in the first year of management at a new job. It's not hard, it just takes a couple minutes to run down to the local fast food joint and put pride aside instead of going on a message board and talking about "rights" instead of getting a job.

way too much too read here.

summary?

HailTheLeaf: Been looking for a job for 3 months. She was offered a job, said she wouldn't take it cause they wanted her to piss in a cup. She sent them an e-mail saying she wouldn't consider the job because it was infringing on her 4th amendment right.

Other people replying to the thread: Are telling HailTheLeaf to get a job.


edit: had to go back and change all the he's to she's, didn't know you were a girl HailTheLeaf.

Nate said:

naw dood i totally understand, as long as ive known hail the leaf she's never had a real job. i just find it funny seeing other people telling her to get off her ass take a pee test and get a job.

plus, I'm bored after WORKING all day so I thought I'd reply to this fun topic.

ive had the last three days off, im actually looking forward to work tomorrow. sitting here makes me think about how much money im losing by not being at work.

I hear ya there. I actually have had the past two days off from my full time job but have been doing some web design work for a local architect to make extra money. So even though it was a day off I worked for about 7 hours on the guys website. I only took sunday completely off cause my wife had the day off to. But it's back to the daily grind tomorrow.

HailTheLeaf said:

He's not talking about selling out. If you can't find a job at ALL in 3 months in New England, then the problem is YOU, and anything else is excuses.

Get a job and support yourself. Don't you feel bad when you aren't even carrying your own weight?

By the way, stop with the rights crap. The constitution isn't applicable, there's no charges being made against you. You're just pissed a pharmacy won't hire your hippy ass.

seriously though would you hire this person.......

whiskey_weed_and_women said:

I've had plenty of real jobs, I made microphones muthafucka, then blew crap out of computers for 3 years..and I never had to bend over...

you guys are all knuckleheads

noone's telling you to bend over, just to get a job.

HailTheLeaf said:

since ive known you, you held the microphone job for what a week or two but they let you go cause the company folded, and the computer thing i dont know what you're talking about.

i dont think peeing in a cup for a job is bending over, esp when i can buy my rent and feed myself. if i was asked to take one monthly or daily then itd be different

One thing people are forgeting.
The 4th amendment in terms of private businesses is gray.
See, the founding fathers wrote that to prevent abuse by the goverment.
They didn't write that in terms of private citizens because, back then, there was no authority by a citizen to perform any sort of search or seizures.
Drug tests are by choice mostly by the company itself, as part of free enterprise. You have a choice of not taking it. You just will not get the job.
This is just as much free enterprise, by private citizens, as a company not having a drug testing policy.
Now, if the goverment made a law forcing any kind of employer to give their employees drug tests, then you'd have a case not only for 4th amendment, but goverment over-regulation of private business.

ArrowHead nli said:

Hey, you can let your employer walk all over you, that's fine, go ahead maybe they'll implant chips in you next. fucking sheep.

ok now that was just dumb

whiskey_weed_and_women said:

the mic job was 4 months, but whatever..the computer thing...ha I got paid more than a lawyer but it wasn't worth it...you'd have to pay me more to ever enter a walmart again

I'm not reading all that.

but if you are working around drugs, they want to make sure you aren't going to fill you pockets with ruffies and oxy.

HailTheLeaf said:

oh you meant NCR, the company that still hasnt paid you. ok, cool you had jobs go get another one

the_reverend said:

it's a technical support CS job at the headquarters, nowhere near a pharmacy

whiskey_weed_and_women said:

yeah, those fuckers...hey, Sean, we're you out of work for awhile before Best Buy?

yup, needed a second job while i worked at UPS. you're acting like thats a big deal or something.

the fact youre going on three months with no job, and whining over peeing in a cup. yeah now thats a big deal

hey I never gave you shit when you were on unemployment for months, so bite me. If you're gonna do drugs at all at least stand up for it, christ. This is the 2nd time in 10 years I've had to turn down a job because of drug testing and that's not alot, but it's bullshit. If no one caved in, they've have no one to hire and have to change their policies, but too many people crack and allow them to continue to make people pee in cups. Now, I'm gonna go smoke a joint.

haha yeah i was also going to school, mmm clark u, the u mean you too can have a degree collect dust.

and my unemployment came from after working two years at wellesley college.

getting unemployment to go to school, yeah productive

getting unemployment and sitting on your ass yeah ok

HailTheLeaf said:

Actually, I tend to look at things a little differently than you. Where you see my employers walking all over me, I saw myself buying my first home at 23, with no college degree and little education. Where you see your rights being infringed, I see opportunity for self sufficience being wasted, and you being a leech on parents, or worse ME by collecting from the government.

Frankly, if you're unemployed and not willing to get any available job to try and support yourself, then you're the sheep. I hire, fire, and pass over people like yourself weekly, sometimes daily.

Get a job. Pay your bills. Move out of your parents house, and learn to be an adult. Then, and only then, can you start making stances on how you feel about drug testing and employment practices.

And drug testing, again, is in no way a legal violation of your fourth amemdment rights. Not only a lazy hippie, but you're an ignorant lazy hippie.

whiskey_weed_and_women said:

I agree with this heartily. I wish 100% of the people collecting government entitlements had this attitude. Maybe the system would actually start working. People just don't understand responsibility, or the idea of carrying your own weight.

One more thing I need to add about this thread.

When I see a fucking warrior like Nate getting out there, moving away from family, waking up every day and working a job paying too little doing something he doesn't like, just to show some responsiblity and carry his family's and own weight against incredibly harsh odds; When I see people like this every day, and realize that 1/3 of those taxes, hundreds and thousands of those warriors hard earned money goes to supporting idealist hippies like yourself bleeding the welfare and unemployment systems dry without even ATTEMPTING to correct their situation;

goddamn, I honestly don't know what to say. Rare for me. It makes me fucking sick, but I can't even think of any possible way to convey how fucking much.

HailTheLeaf said:

they could hire me. i don't do illegal drugs. i'm not saying that makes me better than anyone (...before anyone goes on a tangent), just means if a drug user wants to pass up a job, us non users will take it. it's really a non-issue to me. btw, no one is making you pee in a cup. you have the option to say no.

there are places around pvd that will pay you more just to piss in a cup.
or so I hear

ArrowHead nli said:

whoah, I appreciate the remarks. But warrior I am not. Just someone who's responsible enough to take my life into my own hands and do something about it, not wait for someone else to do something for me. But like you were also saying, I could go on and on about this as well, but I'm gonna let my part of the argument die because, well... some people never get it and want to blame someone else, or the government for the inadequacies (is that a word?). Thanks again though.

On a side note Arrowhead, how's the disc been going? Has the label been in touch with any info on it as far as tracking sales and shit??

whiskey_weed_and_women said:

Wtf does that mean?

i don't see why this is a big deal.

Mary said:

it means i was watching the fifth element and didnt have a good answer

ArrowHead nli said:


I live in my own apartment, not with my parents, I'm not leeching off anyone, I sell stock to survive at the moment. I paid into the unemployment I collect, you don't. I'll get a job when I find the one I want, you can settle for less, go right ahead. Until then I won't compromise myself for whatever breadcrumbs a corporate entity throws at me, when they say jump, I don't say 'how high'? I think for myself. Drug testing is a clear violation of my rights and privacy, the government, nor any other corporation has the right to know what's in my body, end of story. You're the ignorant one if you don't know your rights or stand up for them.

I think companies have the right to know something about the person they are hiring, and so I don't think drug tests are a big issue for work. Anyways, there are ways around beating drug tests (which someone probably already mentioned).

What kind of job are you hoping to get? For me a job is just something I do to make everything else I want to do possible. Sort of like a necesarry evil, but I don't even really think evil is the word. I barely give work a second thought once I am out for the day.

arrowhead and joe make good points

ArrowHead nli said:

That is 100% wrong. You can ask my old probation officer about that. Trust me, you are totally wrong.

ssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhh! the 16yos around woburn are happy that he actually sometimes has a reason to wash his dick.

get some gold seal. that is bullshit

Im sure most companies dont want drug addicts working for them.Stop using drugs.Your not in high school anymore LOL!!!

HailTheLeaf said:

I do know my rights. You don't. This entire thread is proof positive. As far as corporate america being out to get you? You're right. Might as well kill yourself now, rather than endure a future of persecution, eh?

Now that you're done, go get a fucking job, you useless hippy.

Josh_Martin said:

Unfortunately for your probation officer, I'm right. Heroine will test as an opiate, which is not screened on piss tests due to the number of legal food and drink that will yield the same results. Coke won't show at all, unless you're using frequently and in large enough amounts that it's not all taken into your bloodstream. This is RARE. Your probation officer lied to you, sorry.

With probation, testing positive for ANY opiate is another story, since it violates terms. Therefore, no poppy bagels and tea for you!

HailTheLeaf said:

You are correct. However, they DO have the right to ask you to CONSENT to a test as a condition of employment.

Thank christ you're not a lawyer.

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/cocaine/clearurine.htm

Josh Martin, here's a link for you. It explains my point about coke in urine tests a lot more scientifically than I ever could.

As you can see, much like a breathalyzer test (which tests for acids, not alcohol), It's not coke that shows up but rather a byproduct. Most companies will avoid positive results for these products, since they are not proof positive of usage.

ArrowHead nli said:

Nowhere in the link you provided does it say that coke won't show up unless you are using frequently. It says it takes 3-5 days for it to completely leave your bloodstream. That is correct. I've been through this shit a million times man., Trust me. Its a lot easier than you think. I flunked a test after doing a small amount of coke the night before. I must've not done the water thing right 'cause it worked every other time.
And they absolutely DO test for opiates. They can even tell whether you used heroin or just a lesser form of opiate.

I don't know where you are getting your info but its not accurate.

lazy fucking hippies

To make sure I pass drug tests... I... don't do drugs... which last time I checked are not legal in this country...

JayTUS nli said:

GO RED SOX!

I work with dead people. They are no hassle.

JayTUS nli said:

well, aren't you special? plenty of drugs are legal in this country, and they kill many more people every year than the illegal ones, so I think I'll do my own research and decide what to do and what not to do myself.

Josh_Martin said:

Read the first couple sentences again. It's not coke that shows up, rather a byproduct of the metabolisization (sp?) of the coke. Considered a failure by the courts, not counted by employers. The only exception I've ever heard of is class A drivers, who will fail with a positive result for coke.

Opiates all show up as the same thing. Heroin, opium, etc... all leave traces of the same material which is also contained in other poppy products, like poppy seeds (used in teas and bagels and stuff). Again, any positive result is considered a failure by the courts, but is not considered by most employers. There was a lawsuit around 10 years ago, a boston company turned down hundreds of employees in a very short term due to testing positive for opiates. They launched a class action suit, turned out everyone involved in the suit had eaten poppyseed bagels at the dunkin donuts across the street from the clinic shortly before testing. Since then, I've never heard of companies piss testing and screening for opiates.

ArrowHead nli said:

wow, you just don't pay attention do you? I've been trying to find a job for 3 months, but you know so much about me, you figure I've been sitting around doing nothing. I bet you've never been laid off, had an employer fuck you over and refuse to pay you, or have been out of work for more than a day right? Everyone can just walk right out and fing a job that will support them easily right? that's why the economy is sooo great right now, right? fuck off.

then get 2 jobs. work at a convenience store during the day, and a McDonalds at night. its not that difficult. all the while looking for a better paying job. you do what you have to do. after carefully weighing the evidence, i would have to say your problem is what has been said since the beginning. laziness.

By the way, as far as where I get my info, I worked as management for a company that began to require screening after I was hired. I was never tested myself (grandfathered), but I had to go over test results for the people who were hired afterwards. The only results we counted were pot, coke and heroin were discounted or a second screening was requested. If the results showed up on the second screening as well (about a week later) then the applicant was not hired.

p.s. - another loop for our paranoid hippy friend: sometimes if the applicant looked REALLY good, or had good experience, we'd hire them even when they DID fail.

I had 2 jobs, one decided to start shit by sending me back to places I'd already done, and stopped sending my checks on time, (I started waiting a month for a check) the other paid a whopping $8.50/hour and fired me for a shipping mistake the 3rd week I was there, so much for a learning curve.

ArrowHead nli said:

That's actually great news, although I doubt your company is in the majority there. I'm against testing altogether, but that shows more common sense.

HailTheLeaf said:

I could find you a job in two seconds. Maybe not at your desired salary, and maybe not doing the work you want to be doing, but you'd have income and benefits. Three months is pathetic. Go work at McDonalds, Exxon, or some other shit job so you can at least pull your own weight.

The funniest thing is, the longer you're out of work, the more employers are going to be hesitant about that blank gap on your resume. I'd rather hire a kid that worked 3 months at Burger King than someone who went three months doing NOTHING.

Again, it's you that doesn't get it. You're surrounded by people in this thread giving you good, sensible advice. Meanwhile, you think you've got it all figured out. Good for you. Your plan seems to be working so well, striving hard for those $12 an hour jobs at CVS. Holding out for something good, are ya?

I already said in this thread, I HAVE been out of work. I HAVE been dicked by employers. However, I rebounded a hell of a lot quicker than you have. Sure, you can argue it's because I'm a smarter applicant with better experience and an all around stronger work ethic, but I'd like to think it's just because you're not looking hard enough. Who knows though, maybe you ARE an un-hireable douche, I wouldn't know.

HailTheLeaf said:


I know what you're saying, but trust me, this company was horrible to work for. It was a gas station franchise that no longer exists, but they were owned by HOOD milk (I forget the actual company name) and that company is a bunch of fucking nazi's. The district manager stole money out of my safe, then fired me for it. He did it like 8 more times over 3 year, and the dumbass company only figured it out after he took $5000 in deposits out of a store, went home, and never returned again.

If any of you have the displeasure of knowing the fat fuck, his name was Roger Nadeu.

this job didn't test me and only recently started doing criminal checks...i guess that's why a (former) child molester works with me

I WANT THIS SHIRT!!!!!!!!!!!!

i'll chip in a $1 towards it!

succubus said:


I've seen that a lot at the company I work for now. One guy used his middle name as his first, and that got him through the screening process.

We found out when a girl working in the hair shop in our plaza recognized him on the internet pedophile database, and made fliers with his picture on it, saying how he had been convicted of raping his OWN KIDS, and put one on the windshield of every car in the lot. She even left a big stack right inside the store where this guy was working.

Needless to say, he was fired before I got a chance to stab him in the eyeballs.

ArrowHead nli said:

I don't know about companies. The only job I ever had to pee in a cup for, I used someone elses piss.
But when your on Probation you can't do that. They stand there and watch you piss. I guess the courts use a stricter test than employers do because they can tell if it was heroin or just some other opiate.

That is wicked fucking gay that someone could get turned down for pot, yet a complete heroin junkie or crackhead will get hired.

A kid that worked for me in brockton was a junkie. I suspected, but didn't really believe he was on anything so harsh. He od'ed last year. 17 years old, that's fucked up.

was his name by chance Frank Snow?

HailTheLeaf said:

Well, I guess businesses will continue to decide who they want to hire based on whether or not they perform in illegal activities such as drug use.

Do you protest companies that do background checks too? That is way more of an invasion of privacy then a drug test...

I have a drug test tomorrow and I smoked a couple of days ago. I havent been able to sleep because all i do is piss because or the massive amounts of water and cranberry juice ive been drinking. Hopefully a few big energy drinks will add some color to my piss.

ArrowHead nli said:

now that sounds like a fun job...christ...

QUOTE]I don't know about companies. The only job I ever had to pee in a cup for, I used someone elses piss.
But when your on Probation you can't do that. They stand there and watch you piss. I guess the courts use a stricter test than employers do because they can tell if it was heroin or just some other opiate.

That is wicked fucking gay that someone could get turned down for pot, yet a complete heroin junkie or crackhead will get hired.
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discrimination anyone?

JayTUS nli said:

I don't think I've ever had anyone ask to do a background check on me...and this is only the 2nd time I've been asked to take a drug test...not that it matters, I found work yesterday and all they wanted was a ss#, $100 for 2 hours tearing down sound gear and loading a truck. I've got an interview for vet tech on monday and they never ask for more than a resume and ss#, so hopefully it'll be all good...freakin sweet.

I just applied to a job that asked for a background check and a drug test. Of course I'm a fan of peeing in or on anything other than a toilet so I'm fine with that.