bennyhillifier

was that Whitechapel?

that was a horrible song, why would they choose that?
that is NOT metal...
the coolest thing about that was the rttp at the end.

3 stages?
where would the third one be?

Metel?

I just watched it again....there are so many band name typos...

looks like a really shitty fest to me

I wouldn't mind going now for some reason, but going to L.A. Guns!

crual hand

Katakalysm
Winds of Plagues

i'm wondering the same. outside maybe?

3 stages makes no sense, where outside would they put a stage? maybe nemhf is changing it up and surprising us with something for once?

the first year I went (2000 I think) they had a 3rd stage elsewhere, but I forget where

I'll ask my boss for the day off so I can stay home and NOT go.

What a fucking joke.

I think i remember a third stage in the old parking lot accross the st. @skate98. (which had acts such as Earth Crisis, Shai Hulude, and H2O)

there better be a NEDF commercial

Just plain system font text with the bands scrolling across the bottom, and Mr. M. Sweatpants (Disco) in a Pedobear costume, humping a watermelon. With the sound of babies crying in the background over some slambacon.

omg yes

ALL SHALL PARISH, MAN

Q FFUCKING T

we're playing!

so breakdowns make it not metal?

I wonder if in the 1980's when people started to play thrash riffs people said "THAT'S NOT METAL ALL THEY'RE DOING IS PALM MUTING THE TOP STRING AND HITTING UN-MUTED NOTES ON ANOTHER STRING, ALL THE BANDS DO IT ITS SO GAYXHOMOXCOREX"

Silleh old peeps and their unwillingness to accept new music. most of these bands are playing more complicated music than a lot of us could even dream of, let alone actually execute with anywhere near the amount of precision they do.

If metal means playing shitty tremolo riffs in someones basement recorded into a 4 track, for the sole purpose of showing 4 of your friends and screaming about satan, i want no part of metal.

But hey, good thing about metal is that it's not only that, it's A TON OF DIFFERENT SHIT. Metal probably has the most sub genres out of all the other genres, so saying something "isn't metal" because they play breakdowns or slams is fucking retarded.


Whitechapel has 3 seven strings. That's metal.

Or "trying too hard."

"Compensating for something."

someone finally answered my original question....lol

I think that White chappel and impending doom should form as one band.

Whitechapel uses 3 seven strings? for what purpose? there is nothing i've heard from them that even remotely sounds like they would need anything more than 2 six strings. i like the first album but that is just gross overkill.

6 7 strings, 2 bass, 2 vocals, two drummers. one band.

From the video I saw on OnDemand, they could maybe get away with 5 (or possibly 4). [/hasn't really heard shit else from them, doesn't really need to]

I think that impending doom should just break up. have you read their lyrics? laughable. Christian band.

Yeah.

yeah lack of talent, i play better than these meatheads, all the west kids like the bass drops and the three different note chug breakdowns with a meshuggah esk lead for another lead break down.
go to hell and just listen to meshuggah or something

i didn't even mean meshuggah they rule.
i meant korn. or limp biskit.

So because they're Christian, they aren't allowed to express a viewpoint through their chosen medium? Yea, obviously the Christians are close-minded.

lol christianity. maybe their lyrics just suck and their music sucks and they really SHOULD just break up.

d00d them hivesmasherz are playin with dem cats?
maybe some epic pwnge will happen yo?

I think the hobby rockers should cut their mullets and get real.

I've been on EVERY side of the religious fence - from hardcore christian to light agnostic to the full-blown atheist I am now. I used to "tolerate" the christian viewpoint, but the more and more I'm exposed to it while I'm on the other side, the more I'm disgusted.

The very moral and value sets that Western monotheistic culture is based on is what has allowed our rapid social evolution to happen - but it, in effect, is also what is setting us up for a rapid descent straight into the fucking ground.

Western civilization is permeated with several self-deceiving (and ultimately self-destructive) ideas: that humanity is a "chosen" species, that humanity is inherently superior to other species, and the worst: that Earth itself is a collection of resources, all of which are available for our exploitation and our exploitation only. The latter is the very foundation that our civilization is built upon - extracting resources from foreign areas and consuming them at a rate greater than they can be replenished. The Christian has built a world that is INHERENTLY set for destruction, bringing every human (and consequently every non-human) with it.

This is in direct contrast with what many pagan and native american tribes believed: that Earth is a living being with which we can deepen our relationship with. What these people believed (which in my opinion is far superior to the Christian viewpoint) motivated them to respect their environment because they were full-well aware that their environment was what ultimately allowed them to live.

That being said, Metal itself is a counter-culture genre. You can argue with me all you want, but the facts are right in front of you - there is a reason metal is based on extremities and aggression. The aggression is often times a direct result of a feeling of social anomie, a misanthropic demeanor, a disgust for the modern world we live in. You don't ever hear metal songs about how awesome it is to live in America - you hear just the opposite.

For this reason, I believe that "Christian" metal is not only laughable, but disgusting and insulting. When it is acceptable throughout the underground to use Metal to communicate viewpoints that perpetuate the status-quo that Metal itself was created to protest, we should all just give up on music.

I'm not going into a long-winded argument on this. I see so much generalizing in the argument over "Christian metal" or anything that is associated with Christianity. I believe that everything that is argued against Christianity or whathaveyou is based on the traditional, fundamentalist side of religion. You cannot lump everyone in that category seeing as how I'm vehemently anti-establishment and anti-fundamentalism.

I also do not agree with Christianity as a political movement. THAT to me is disgusting and insulting, not a bunch of guys who believe in Jesus playing a style of music. I think elitists need to get the fuck over themselves and accept the fact that there are 2 different sides of the spectrum in Metal now. There is always going to be anger and socio-politicism and I do not think it's fair for people to say that you can only sing about what YOU think is acceptable in Metal.

Musicians who write about Christianity are not always saying, "Oh praise the Lord" all the time. Impending Doom is an exception because of where they came from and how they are as people. I can show you "Christian bands" who write about darker subjects, including the agony of faith itself.

Stop stereotyping.

I guess you can scratch the long-winded part I mentioned.

Touche sir, but I think you missed a big part of my argument (and this is more than likely my fault for not communicating my ideas all that clearly) - metal is a counter-culture genre. By taking the genre and infusing it with mainstream ideas, you effectively compromise its credibility as anti-status-quo.

If people want to do that, great for them, but I strongly disagree.

At least, that's how I perceive it. I'm not trying to shove my viewpoint down anyone's throat here, I just see it in a similar light as bands selling out.

Christianity is only mainstream because of the freedom of religion in this country. Christians are pampered pussies, in my opinion, who completely miss the point when they sue someone for discrimination or persecution.

If you fly over to the Middle East or communist countries like China, you could be jailed or shot on the street for professing Christ.

So, only in America is it counter-culture. Bands have the freedom to express whatever viewpoint they hold. I understand where Metal comes from and what it's supposed to represent but you have to admit, the tide is changing.

I believe that Metal was effectively and successfully "anti-status-quo" in the 80's because of the socio-political events that were taking place. In this generation, Metal is more accepted and even enjoyed. The anti-everything mentality has been watered down substantially, in my opinion. BUT I will admit that during the Bush administration, those feelings of hate and angst were rekindled.

in a way i'm kind of happy i can't get this day off from work now.

Christianity has been mainstream throughout Europe since the middle ages. Until the 19th century, you could have been hanged in many different countries just for speaking out against the church.

Art is a culturally specific medium. It would be fitting in, say, a country like China, to use metal or punk to profess Christ's teachings. Except, you'd probably end up with a life sentence.

and I'm glad this didn't turn into more internet drama. high five.

And I would call every single church who persecuted someone for speaking against the church or for not believing to be immensely suffocating the Gospel and being total douchebag hypocrites.

I do not side with church history. The Middle Ages is a giant stain in Christianity's history and you can blame Catholicism for a large part in the bad reputation the church has. Plus, I despise the Pope and what he represents. People treat him like a god and it pisses me off.

I have absolutely no reason to be open minded to those types of people, I have my own reasons.

Good sentence. Winnar.

Song writing does not indicate technical ability and technicality does not indicate song writing. Ever notice why most "super groups" and "shred godzlol" end up churning out masturbatory meaningless bullshit.

Sorry, i don't mean to sound like an asshole, I'm tired and irritated, please don't take shit too seriously.

LAND ON A CAHK, KEHD

DATS IT URrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRR OUTTA THE BAND@@2!!!

THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!

i wholly agree with this. i've read both arguments and i do see the point that MillenialKingdom is making. to me, when you "change" the ideals of something to better fit the ways of the world, especially in a case like this where the original ideals were so viciously anti-everything and the focus of change is to make them positive, you are robbing the spirit and turning it into another mish-mash of unfocused ideas. you don't see Anti-Christian Gospel music, because the ideas would be lost. just like preaching a positive message through a negative outlet. i'll use Christian Black Metal as an example. i find that insulting because to me, i don't see anyone making music like that for any other reason than to shatter the fundamentals and be the band that says "we're changing things to be positive". the whole ideal of black metal is to spread fear and hate, and spit venom in the face of everything. yes its ridiculous and completely over the top, but that was the point. this world forces plastic happiness down our throats and seems to believe we should all join hands and sing "Come On People Now", but that's not realistic. humans are naturally evil, not that everything everyone does is evil, but the human plight is an inherently negative attitude. i personally see metal as the avenue to channel that negativity, and even then you can view it as positive. i don't think i'm speaking for myself here when i say that metal doesn't make me angry, in fact when i'm angry it cools me down. god has permeated every single aspect of life, you can't escape christ anywhere. metal was the only thing we had that was free of god. well not necessarily free of, considering the lyrical content, but it wasn't another way for god to be shoved down our throats. and now religion has once again robbed the essence of something it didn't agree with. ok rant over.

The people who "force" God down anyone's throat is getting in the way of God's work. I feel the best way to "preach" the Gospel is by being myself and living my life. I've always considered faith to be an organic, personal aspect of life and it's not really fair to "make" someone believe what you believe. That is the reason why Jesus gave us the parable of the wheat and the chaff.

Like I've said, I mostly agree with you guys about your stances on organized religion. I am vehemently anti-Catholicism. I feel a lot of their doctrines and practices to be utter nonsense. For example, I despise the image of the Pope. People treat him like a second Christ when he's just a bloated old man that Catholics practically worship. It's sickening.

I don't think that shoving God in a church building and expecting people to show up every single Sunday and give money every single week is actually progressing the human race. God works through personal interactions in our every day lives, not just on a Sunday morning.

I know it's pointless to defend myself but I only do it because I'm stressing the fact that I'm not the "average Christian". I do not represent the image of Christianity you all have encountered. I am just as angry about it as you are but for me, it's for a different reason.

By the way, I think this is the most I've ever delved into this topic besides the interaction I had with Murph a while back.

something else you might find as sickening as the Catholics, watch Jesus camp and watch what fundamentalism does to those kids. At one point the camp leaders have a group of children speaking in tongues to a cardboard cutout of George Bush. Horrifying.

Shhh

Oh, I know. I wrote a blog about that documentary called "Jesus As A Political Movement?"