you ever notice how if anyone wants to try to sound death metal they just throw out crypstopsy or dying fetus as there favorite bands...i look through alot of profiles and peoples bands list consist of two or three nu-metal bands then crypstopsy dying fetus or cephalic carnage

I noticed this, and yet rarely do they have any of the original death metal bands listed.

ive noticed necrophagist popping up lately

thats something to really get pissed about.

hahah im not like ready to tip over my desk or nothing it just gets annoying

people's definition of death metal nowadays is apparently buryyourhead

haha and hatebreed

dead serious i was at a show like almost a year ago and some kid was like "dude i love death metal" an di asked him what bands he was into and he said "slayer,hatebreed,system of a down,mushroomhead shit like that" i've also hear someone tell me slipknot was there favorite hardcore band

MUSHROOM HEAD!

thats awesome, i think buryyoudead steals there riffs

i heard zach wylde was the orginator death metal him and the singer from mudvayne..sic dude

i noticed a similar thing a few years ago. people would list like "linkin park, slipknot, cannibal corpse, green day, seether", but thankfully that died out.

my favorite bands are the dixie chicks evenesence linkin park the backstreet boys and gorerotted

certain things really piss me off
but i don't feel like going off right now

me and heidenrich were handing out flyers at Sick as Sin fest last year and some kid asked us what kind of music we were.

we explained, and he proceeded to tell us he was "more into METAL metal, like Killswitch Engage and Atreyu" or killswitch and some other gay band, the point being that he thinks killswitch engage is TRUE METAL

Atreyu = Emo vampires are tr00ly grim!

bahahahahaha emo vampires

KillerKadoogan said:

Fair enough, I'll be sure to file 'METAL metal' alongside my other avoid-at-all-cost genres like Swedecore, mallcore, jock death, nu-metal and Fairy metal.

Yeah, all the nu-metal fags suddenly switched over to metal blade and roadrunner bands when Uranium, MTV2, AAF, and Revolver decided that nu-metal was dead. I've seen quite a few myspace proflies go from

"I like wikked sic metal like slipknot, mudvayne, mushroomhead, twytch, SOAD, Staind, Korn, Marylin Manson"

to

"I only like real metal none of that gay emo shit. I like BTBAM, Glass Casket, Cryptopsy, Dying Fetus, and I guess one or two nu metal bands that I used to like, BUT I LIKE CRADLE OF FILTH NOW SO IT'S OK!!!! Also I've seen Cannibal Holocaust 174 times since I heard about how metal it was to watch it last week. Did I mention I've seen CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST?"

In the span of about a week.

lol atreyu soooo grim

BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:

ya ive noticed alot of movies like that some other movies i always see are ichi the killer and battle royale

babyshaker said:

Those are both great movies, so perhaps there is some hope for them yet.

Okay, I've never been accused of being a realist.

im gonna be a scenster for halloween.

ya both are good but anyone who sees them thinks there the master on japanese gore films

Hahaha, this is true. We all know nothing can compare to Matango, the Attack of the Mushroom People!

All the fungi, and none of the gore.

has anyone seen suicide club i just bought the uncut verison pretty good and a weird ass plot

I have it, and I love it. Great flick. Love the enigmatic finale.

i been looking for more movies like that any suggestions im big on the gore factor but i also like it to have a plot

Well, I can't say they are necessarily gory, but if you like very fucked up stuff try more Takashi Miike films like Audition, Gozu, and some of his yakuza flicks. I love that man's work in general.

And have you seen Spirals (Uzumaki I think in Japanese)? Very, very fucked.

naw ill have to check it out....i been watching a weird variety of movies lately like :evil dead2,army of darkness,i drink your blood,day of the dead,suicide club,texas chainsaw massacre 2(the best one if you ask me) like i said its a weird mix...

Some good movies in there. I'll have to check out 'I Drink Your Blood', Brian from my band has that (actually has 1000s of foreign cult and horror DVDs). I'm not the horror expert, if you ever want to talk shop you should definitely talk to him. Jeff (singer for Hatchet) also knows a bunch.

i drink you blood is hilarious you def should watch preferably while drunk it makes the experience much better

"iam the supreme ruler of sados!!!"

Have you seen the movie 'Wild Zero' with the great band Guitar Wolf in it?

Also check out STACY, a great Japanese schoolgirl zombie comedy. Loved that one too.

DrinkHardThrashHard said:

Not really a japanese movie fan, but I own that movie because Guitar Wolf is the greatest band ever.

thats cuz old death metal sucks

BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:

Touche.

DrinkHardThrashHard said:

oh god, i remember seeing atreyu at one of the metalfests a couple of years ago, and i think i can honestly say it was the gayest show i've ever seen.


but i agree with many people on the board in that kids into metal nowadays need to learn their roots.
a lot of kids think that nile, decapitated, dying fetus, cryptopsy etc... are really original and something special, but i'd be willing to bet that they've never even heard of classics like "left hand path" or "blood fire death", and i'd also bet they wouldn't even appreciate the tremendous impact those records had:
"oh, the new cephalic carnage is way more brutal and technical" "dying fetus has wicked sick breakdowns" fuck that! entombed had spirit! bathory played from the fucking heart! death metal nowadays is a lot of technical bullshit, and competiton for the fastest blast beats.
give me hellhammer over cephalic carnage any day of the fuckin week.

Ryan_M said:

Totally correct, sir, the 'jock death' mentality, it's faster and more brutal so that makes it necessarily better. Something I simply cannot agree with. I enjoy brutality when it's effective and works within the song, and I do enjoy a lot of the new bands myself. Nile, Cephalic Carnage, etc. But there's a reason I still remember my 'Left Hand Path', 'Nocturnal Silence' and 'Realm of Chaos' albums and still listen to them over a decade later, and it's not just because they were brutal for their era.

two well said posts. everyone talks so highly of The Black Dahlia Murder. i dont see whats so special about shit like that. sure its fast and technical and over the top, but to me there is no heart. thats why i love old school black metal so much. i was driving home yesterday listening to Burzum "Det Som En Gang Var". there is so much passion and heart in music like that. they didnt give a shit about fans or money or anything. they just wanted to make what they wanted to make. it wasnt about how fast or technical or clear recorded it was, it was about soul. i personally like the slower, simpler stuff. i have been getting into Disembowelment. i love that slow funeral doom style.

I don't give a shit about any side of this argument. Keep music fun.

Yeti said:

Well said. Varg Vikernes has some of the purest motivations of anyone playing metal music...have you read his essays? They have a strict relevance to this argument, since one of the reasons he created Burzum was to rebel against the entire 'jock death' thing.

http://www.burzum.org

I think it might be in the entry about the formation of the band, Chapter I or II.

I'm not a fan of BDM whatsoever, what they play was fast and technical in 1995 when it was called At the Gates, and they even have particular tunes which are simply At the Gates riffs and note patterns with the notes changed, same progression, same tempo changes, etc. As if we wouldn't notice.

ok, I take back the not giving a shit part of my statement. I can appreciate bands having real philosophies and being about something more than fun...I also respect the history behind a lot of this kind of music.

however, I've been really annoyed lately at how much emphasis people put on these genre wars...it's music...you either like it or don't...I don't know why the existence of music you don't like should really consume a person.

I dunno, I have pudding to eat...less typing.

brian_dc said:

Heheh, I actually do like almost all genres of metal man, I apologize if I don't come across that way. It's a metal board though, you know, metal fans are pretty passionate about all this stuff. So we argue and agree, on and on.

i've been curious about the Disembowelment album for a while, i keep looking at it, but for some reason i never buy it.
i totally respect DrinkHardThrashHard's and Yeti's opinions; back in the late 80's-early 90's, death/black metal wasn't always about brutality for its own sake, it had feeling, and, when done right, it expressed a very bleak, violent, cynical and nihilistic worldview(darkthrone, entombed, etc...) nowadays it's all about technical skill and trendy breakdowns, which sometimes sounds cool, and fun to listen to, but like you guys said, there's no feeling.

Right, and part of that simply is it's been done to death, really, it's not always easy for a band today to maintain that level of emotion and originality.

You are totally correct about the late 80s though, I still have not heard many bands today that can parallel the sheer bleak brutality of an early Bolt Thrower record, no matter how simple that was musically to perform.

DrinkHardThrashHard said:

No, you come across well informed, which is why I took back the "I don't give a shit" thing...

I guess lately I've just noticed that a lot of people with basically similar tastes are divided, sometimes angrily, over some very subtle things. So much so, that if you try to take from many different styles of metal instead of staying true to some archetype when making your own music, you will actually lose listeners altogether who may have found some common ground with another element of your music.


...and I guess I wouldn't bother to concern myself with this if I wasn't also passionate about this stuff. I wouldn't have taken the time to know the difference between "real grind" and "all the bands that just tack 'grind' to their name"...

being in a band that doesn't really strive to be one particular thing makes you very aware of the whole genre thing...my band has been called metalcore, and will continue to be called metalcore probably...and that's such a dirty word these days, but it's basically true. Taking away the stigma, it's not the end of the world.

I don't know,


sigh.

Ryan_M said:

I don't like the overemphasis on these things nowadays...but I don't think that there is objectively no feeling...

I'm 100% certain that there are bands that rely on these things that feel nothing from them...but I find it hard to believe that it's an empty exercise for everyone.

most people listen to death metal for aggression, not for 'feeling'.

if you want feeling listen to some jazz/blues. haha.

RustedAngel said:

Okay, I will grant you that, but aggression IS a feeling, which is I think what we are saying. Most of these brutal death bands don't even sound remotely aggressive to me, they are simply playing it safe and completely by the numbers...I mean, there are definitely still plenty of bands with a lot of real sounding aggression, I guess it's just oversaturated is all.

And there is no death metal quite as disturbing as Miles Davis 'Bitches Brew', that much is for sure, no matter how gore-soaked the lyrics are.

i think everyone has done a good job describing their opinions on music; all of them are true, and there are a shitload of other opinions that can be true, solely because music is a form of art, and all forms of art should definitely have a personal attachment, whether to the person(s) who created the art or those who experience it. i listen to music for probably every single reason it is created, excluding obvious reasons like money, trends, pleasing the masses, etc.

i listen to pretty much every form of music in one form or another, whether i like it or not. the only forms of music i HATE are country, emo, and "pop" which i consider to engulf such styles as nu-metal, bubble gum pop, all this new wave and retro bullshit, 99% of the "hip hop," if you can really call it that, that is consumed by the public eye, etc.

when it comes to heavier music, feeling is always the most prevalent and overwhelming, in a good way. when i write a song, i don't think to myself "alright, it's time to create the most technical or brutal sounding music ever just for the fuck of it." i just start playing, and if i feel that technicality is needed, or the fastest speed picking i can humanly produce sounds right, that's what feels right to me.

i definitely hear a lack of feeling in the most modern music that is attracting the most attention, but sometimes i just don't care. if it sounds good and some sort of integrity is there, i'm all for it. bands like black dahlia murder definitely rip off at the gates and some of their peers, but i can tolerate it since it's not done very poorly. it's fun music, but it definitely gets old quick. there are a great number of bands that i consider far worse than BDM in this aspect, especially since they've been doing it since before it really surfaced as being " the cool thing to do".

i could go on forever, but i don't think this is a novel forum, haha

I actually love pop, from the 80s...or from Japan.

80s pop isn't as bad as today's pop, since there was at least some sort of originality and 'breakthrough' quality stuff that no one ever really thought to do with music besides a few people ahead of their time in previous decades. today it's abound with assholes who want to make quick money while only sacrificing every morale in this world, haha

This is true. I'm no fan of today's TRL pop.

werd. the only stuff that is reminscent of 80s style pop...well, not full feldged pop... that i can stand to listen to is the bravery, pretty much only because my girlfriend forced it upon me, haha

I will check them out. I noticed there are a lot of sort of pop rock bands these days biting off the Cars and Talking Heads...bands like Franz Ferdinand and the Killers, etc. Just can't get into that.

talking heads rule, anyone that try to rip them off will always fail miserably.

the bravery kind of remind me of morissey, but with a slightly modern touch. i guess pop rock would be the most correct moniker

i liekd some of the 80's new wave pop like big audio dynamite

anyone here have GG Allin's first album from 1980 "always was, is and always shall be"? that album has a real strong pop/rock influence; i love that album, GG and the jabbers were great. i don't like that new guy they have now.

DrinkHardThrashHard said:


Are you serious? There's actual songs that follow the exact same progression? I mean, i new that BDM is nothing but a huge At The Gates rip-off, but i didnt know that there were entire songs ripped off, in terms of progressions and shit. Which songs are you talking about? I want to have some shit to show some of my friends who are addicted to BDM, yet have never heard At The Gates.

funny..... isn't bloodstruck all nu metal turned metalheads?

to quote the comatosed seth putnam "big pants, BIGGER loser"

i'm not sure about all of bloodstruck, but i've known babyshaker for a long time, and he's been heavily into metal for that long time

anonymous said:

It's on the first CD, it parallel's the song 'Slaughter of the Soul' extremely closely, with the groove section and everything. I'll try and figure it out but of course I don't own the BDM CD.

babyshaker said:

audition directed by Takashi Miike is a crazy film. i suggest checking it out

the first band I was ever in was power metal...I will carry that to my grave proudly.

i strongly recommend the Disembowelment cd. its incredible old school funeral doom. the slowest, sludgiest thing i've heard in a long fucking time. if ever. you can see who Evoken and Funebrarum got their influence from.

you know what pisses me off,the guy posting on the forum latley

intricateprocess said:

it's not my fault the bruins suck or dave from the graves mom is whore,but lucky for me noone gives a fuck what you think..GO CANADIENS!

dirteecrayon said:

ya ive heard alot of good things about auditons ...i also hear that it drags kinda but the last like hour makes up for it.........drinkhardthrashhard are you into any of the animated japanse films....i watched princesess mononoke last night i forgot how bad ass that movie was

everything pisses me off

babyshakedoesnt feel like loggin in said:

I have a massive collection of fansubs and some anime DVDs, so, yeah...like that stuff as much as metal Mononoke is okay but I hate the end, some of Miyazaki's other films are far better: Nausicaa, Spirited Away, etc.

Joe/NotCommon said:

even fruity pebbles? i feel bad for anyone who can't even partake in the simple pleasure that is fruity pebbles

spirited away was pretty damn good

Yeah, one issue I always take with his movies are the letdown endings, the films build up so much and it's almost like he just never cares by the end. Nausicaa is one exception, also the Boy of Future Conan TV show from the late 70s, and some of the Lupin he worked on like Castle of Cagliostro.

lupin the third lol that show rocks i didnt know he had anything to do with that

KeithMutiny said:

So, you're not dressing up then? Where's your holiday spirit?

babyshaker said:

He directed the TV series and the Castle of Cagliostro film, I think he may have also written the film.

brian_dc said:


well put.

I think it pisses me off when scene kids lists bands like Emperor to look cool.

You know what really pisses me off? When my ex used to tell me to put the toilet seat down for her. So I did, but she got angry when she found my piss on the seat. Dumb cunt.....