This is on point... especially from the Keene, NH pumpkin party part.
post by spence at Aug 18,2014 10:31pm edited Aug 19,2014 1:02am
Even though I loved some of his standup, and the two months last year where he took over The Daily Show, I still didn't expect to love Last Week Tonight anywhere nearly as much as I do.
It's gotten to the point where I now have a hard time watching The Daily Show or Colbert Report because of how short all the segments are(commercials, ack) and because of what safe routes they take with issues involving anything other than Fox and republicans.
Better tactics, better weapons....where's the argument here? Oh! It's based on "how it looks" to the common man....who really have no idea what it's like to be shitting your pants when you're actually in a situation that unravels in about 1.5 seconds, instead of playing armchair quarterback with your smartphone.
Now I get it...duh.
Go to www.policeone.com and start educating yourselves on action times vs. reaction times, reaction distances, mentally unstable individuals, Officer safety....then come back and tell me what you think. If you don't have the cojones to do the job, don't shit on the people that do. Someone has to stand up for you miserable assholes when nobody else will. If you don't agree, don't call 911 when you're in trouble. Call someone aside from us that will rush into gunfire to save your lily white ass. When everyone else is running away from gunfire, we run into it...don't forget that. Equip us properly for that moment and stop your bitching.
and what's with all of the British fags on TV nowadays? They have lots of opinions for people that weren't even raised as US citizens.
post by Hoser at Aug 23,2014 4:28am edited Aug 23,2014 4:29am
AND...about 80% of all Police are vets....this moron's argument is invalid and tailored to the left that watch this horseshit. This garbage is the Britney Spears of television. Keep eating it up, sheep.
post by anonymous at Aug 23,2014 9:24am
Hoser you're an idiot!
post by Snowden at Aug 23,2014 11:25am edited Aug 23,2014 11:26am
Don't be silly. This kind of military equipment isn't going to help you (or anyone else) "go home alive" from any kind of real-world situation. This isn't "Judge Dredd," dude, come on.
If anything, the opposite is true - just look at how many people aren't "going home alive" (or hell, "going to trial alive") because of this nonsense.
Being a police officer is an extraordinarily difficult job, and seeing a lot of the videos that have been going around lately, I think a lot of these cops need better training. No matter how frustrating or tense the job can be, you have to remember that you're dealing with people. They're human beings. In most cases, simple de-escalation techniques are far more effective than responding with force (which just escalates any situation and should only be used when necessary). If you're dealing with people who are angry, talking to them in a professional tone and treating them like human beings is going to work a hell of a lot better than pointing a gun in their faces.
Of course, every police officer deserves to go home to their families safe and sound at the end of the day. No amount of weapons and tactical gear will ensure that if they're not being trained well enough to know that they're creating a bigger problem by escalating the situation.
Take this video, for example. Is there any reason why these officers should have had their guns drawn? Is there any reason why they needed to shoot and kill this man? Even if he did have a knife, he was still several feet away from them. They could have used other, less lethal means... but a big problem is that they immediately escalated the situation by having their guns drawn the moment they got out of the cruiser. I'd like to know exactly who trained these officers to respond like this because it's completely unacceptable.
Being a police officer is an extraordinarily difficult job, and seeing a lot of the videos that have been going around lately, I think a lot of these cops need better training. No matter how frustrating or tense the job can be, you have to remember that you're dealing with people. They're human beings. In most cases, simple de-escalation techniques are far more effective than responding with force (which just escalates any situation and should only be used when necessary). If you're dealing with people who are angry, talking to them in a professional tone and treating them like human beings is going to work a hell of a lot better than pointing a gun in their faces.
Of course, every police officer deserves to go home to their families safe and sound at the end of the day. No amount of weapons and tactical gear will ensure that if they're not being trained well enough to know that they're creating a bigger problem by escalating the situation.
Take this video, for example. Is there any reason why these officers should have had their guns drawn? Is there any reason why they needed to shoot and kill this man? Even if he did have a knife, he was still several feet away from them. They could have used other, less lethal means... but a big problem is that they immediately escalated the situation by having their guns drawn the moment they got out of the cruiser. I'd like to know exactly who trained these officers to respond like this because it's completely unacceptable.
Samantha, I appreciate your view. We do go through TONS of training on de-escalation techniques that are studied by and sponsored by the FBI as well as Clinical Psychologists. As far as tactics are concerned, we are trained Ad Nauseum. Most of us are pre-trained in tactics in the various branches of the military prior to becoming LEO's. We have ongoing tactical training yearly. Check this out, I think that it will change your mind drastically about reaction times.
My point is, don't even take a chance. When a guy is 10 feet from you with a knife, he can be ON you in less than a second. You do not tase a guy like that, you end the threat.
AND...about 80% of all Police are vets....this moron's argument is invalid and tailored to the left that watch this horseshit. This garbage is the Britney Spears of television. Keep eating it up, sheep.
My point is, don't even take a chance. When a guy is 10 feet from you with a knife, he can be ON you in less than a second. You do not tase a guy like that, you end the threat.
Though I agree with you there, Concord, NH PD does NOT need a fucking Bearcat.
My point is, don't even take a chance. When a guy is 10 feet from you with a knife, he can be ON you in less than a second. You do not tase a guy like that, you end the threat.
I worked in a residential mental health facility for several years, and I've seen how huge of a difference it can make when you make more of an effort to de-escalate people. Of course, there will always be cases when talking is not an option, but those happen less often than you think. Where I worked, it was a step down from hospital placement, so the use of chemical restraints (i.e. thorazine injection) wasn't an option. Our only option was physical restraint.
With experience, it's much easier to judge whether a person is just posturing at you, or if they're going to assault you. 10 feet is a good distance. Even for someone with a knife, it's a good enough distance that two well trained people can disarm him and get him on the ground before he hurts anyone, without having to shoot the guy. Honestly, I think the police could have dealt with the knife wielding guy much better. Shooting a person should be a last resort when there is no other option. Firing 9 shots is just ridiculous.
Their first mistake was to get out of the car with guns drawn and yelling. The perpetrator in this case would have likely been more compliant if he was approached by an officer who took the time to treat him like a human being and ask him what was going on. Tell the guy to put the knife down and have a calm conversation, and he is probably not going to pace around begging you to shoot him.
My point is, don't even take a chance. When a guy is 10 feet from you with a knife, he can be ON you in less than a second. You do not tase a guy like that, you end the threat.
If you were talking about an active warzone, you'd have a point. But if you're going to assume that anyone who's angry and within 10 feet of you is the kind of threat that may need to be "ended," you should stop being a cop and let someone with stronger nerves take your spot.
My point is, don't even take a chance. When a guy is 10 feet from you with a knife, he can be ON you in less than a second. You do not tase a guy like that, you end the threat.
If you were talking about an active warzone, you'd have a point. But if you're going to assume that anyone who's angry and within 10 feet of you is the kind of threat that may need to be "ended," you should stop being a cop and let someone with stronger nerves take your spot.
See, that's the mentality I'm talking about. Read the article before you pipe up. The safest distance that an Officer can be at and still be able to properly engage in conversation is 21 feet. You speak but you don't know, you've never been there and that's the bottom line. You all say, "well they can", or "well I could", or "they could have". YOU WERE NOT THERE. What's the story behind the guy with the knife? If you don't use deadly force then he will damned sure use it on you. Don't gamble with your life.
Samantha, if you worked in the facility that you stated that you did, you understand that some people just can't be talked down. Add this to a mental health recipe:
Drugs
Recent emotional trauma
alcohol
These people are not thinking rationally and will act similarly. The last people that they want to see are the Cops. Not to mention all of the ramshackle bullshit that the media likes to spread about Cops. We are in a fishbowl and Society is our keeper, as it should be. But remember, it's our lives out there, not yours. Instead of Monday morning quarterbacking everything, request a ride along with your local Department and see what one Cop goes through during his shift. After that, do some research on line of duty deaths and what prompted them. Once this is done, form an opinion. George Zimmerman would agree with by telling you that your mind will be changed drastically. Both George and I guarantee it.
Regarding the Bearcat...why not? If it saves an Officers life...why not? In the event of a school shooting, we can load kids into it and evacuate them safely away from the scene...why not? If we can enter a shooting scene and load up a wounded citizen, protecting ourselves and the citizen at the same time...why not?
I don't see the disadvantages, dude. Most Bearcats are bought with Federal grants. It's free to the city...again, why not?
Some of the retorts here leave me puzzled. Were here to protect you, not hurt you. Some knife wielding moron running around in public and in the mental state that he was is NOT SAFE. Why are we always the badguy here? I just don't fucking get it.
post by ding ding ding ding ding at Aug 25,2014 7:32am
My point is, don't even take a chance. When a guy is 10 feet from you with a knife, he can be ON you in less than a second. You do not tase a guy like that, you end the threat.
if you're going to assume that anyone who's angry and within 10 feet of you is the kind of threat that may need to be "ended," you should stop being a cop and let someone with stronger nerves take your spot.
Regarding the Bearcat...why not? If it saves an Officers life...why not? In the event of a school shooting, we can load kids into it and evacuate them safely away from the scene...why not? If we can enter a shooting scene and load up a wounded citizen, protecting ourselves and the citizen at the same time...why not?
I don't see the disadvantages, dude. Most Bearcats are bought with Federal grants. It's free to the city...again, why not?
Some of the retorts here leave me puzzled. Were here to protect you, not hurt you. Some knife wielding moron running around in public and in the mental state that he was is NOT SAFE. Why are we always the badguy here? I just don't fucking get it.
Concord has a National Guard base at the airport. Plenty of armored vehicles there in the slight chance it was ever needed. The Bearcat is complete overkill for a quiet city like Concord.
post by Jean Vilain at Aug 25,2014 8:41am
Take the rest of the nukes to the hangar now! And get the plutonium on the plane.
Regarding the Bearcat...why not? If it saves an Officers life...why not? In the event of a school shooting, we can load kids into it and evacuate them safely away from the scene...why not? If we can enter a shooting scene and load up a wounded citizen, protecting ourselves and the citizen at the same time...why not?
I don't see the disadvantages, dude. Most Bearcats are bought with Federal grants. It's free to the city...again, why not?
Some of the retorts here leave me puzzled. Were here to protect you, not hurt you. Some knife wielding moron running around in public and in the mental state that he was is NOT SAFE. Why are we always the badguy here? I just don't fucking get it.
Concord has a National Guard base at the airport. Plenty of armored vehicles there in the slight chance it was ever needed. The Bearcat is complete overkill for a quiet city like Concord.
yeah...
post by Eyeroller at Aug 25,2014 11:52am
The reason why we have the second amendment, the right to keep and bear arms, is not so we can shoot squirrels.
It was so we would have a last line of defense against tyranny. A last line of defense against our own government.
Times have changed, weapons and technology have changed, but the will for the few to rule the many has not.
I don't have a bearcat, but how are people supposed to defend themselves against the gov't's firepower?
I appreciate Hoser's viewpoint, officers of the law do indeed deserve the means to come home alive. It is a dangerous and extremely difficult job that only a few can do, or even attempt to do.
But the mentally unstable man trapped in unreality also deserves the right to go home alive, even if he is missing a kneecap.
A quiet town needing a fucking Bearcat is not about police safety or citizen safety, it's about an increasing presence and this growing attitude of "THE POLICE ARE YOUR FRIEND" yelled from a bullhorn behind ED-209.
I do want safety for citizens and police alike, Hoser has a great viewpoint from behind enemy lines, and Samantha has a great viewpoint from the common citizen. We do not need military presence in every day life, town streets are not a battlefield. Is it worth striking fear into the hearts of common folk simply because there is an off-chance that a guy armed like it's GTA will show up? Cops armed like troops do not make anyone feel safe, they make everyone nervous.
I'm not shitting on anyone or their right to go home alive, nor am I denigrating what the Police have to deal with. I appreciate everything that is done by Military and Police alike, but the idea that everyday life is looked at like a potential battlefield does make me nervous.
My point is, don't even take a chance. When a guy is 10 feet from you with a knife, he can be ON you in less than a second. You do not tase a guy like that, you end the threat.
If you were talking about an active warzone, you'd have a point. But if you're going to assume that anyone who's angry and within 10 feet of you is the kind of threat that may need to be "ended," you should stop being a cop and let someone with stronger nerves take your spot.
See, that's the mentality I'm talking about. Read the article before you pipe up. The safest distance that an Officer can be at and still be able to properly engage in conversation is 21 feet. You speak but you don't know, you've never been there and that's the bottom line. You all say, "well they can", or "well I could", or "they could have". YOU WERE NOT THERE. What's the story behind the guy with the knife? If you don't use deadly force then he will damned sure use it on you. Don't gamble with your life.
Again: if your attitude is "if you don't use deadly force then he will damned sure use it on you," you don't have the nerves to be a cop. No shame, plenty of other jobs out there for you!
I'm saying that as someone who (like Samantha posted above) has worked in situations like group homes and needle exchange programs that occasionally put me well within 21 feet of people who were volatile and on a few occasions carrying knives.
Some of the retorts here leave me puzzled. Were here to protect you, not hurt you. Some knife wielding moron running around in public and in the mental state that he was is NOT SAFE. Why are we always the badguy here? I just don't fucking get it.
Give me a break, you giant baby. The guy in the video was obviously SAFE ENOUGH that regular people were able to walk around him without feeling like they were in deadly lethal danger.
But more importantly I guess, do you actually not understand that the "you" that cops are supposed to be protecting actually includes mentally ill people and black teenagers?
Regarding the Bearcat...why not? If it saves an Officers life...why not? In the event of a school shooting, we can load kids into it and evacuate them safely away from the scene...why not? If we can enter a shooting scene and load up a wounded citizen, protecting ourselves and the citizen at the same time...why not?
I don't see the disadvantages, dude. Most Bearcats are bought with Federal grants. It's free to the city...again, why not?
Some of the retorts here leave me puzzled. Were here to protect you, not hurt you. Some knife wielding moron running around in public and in the mental state that he was is NOT SAFE. Why are we always the badguy here? I just don't fucking get it.
Concord has a National Guard base at the airport. Plenty of armored vehicles there in the slight chance it was ever needed. The Bearcat is complete overkill for a quiet city like Concord.
again FUCK THE POLL LICE. more evidence that the only good cop is a dead one.
all us victims of poll lice should take to the streets and purge this place of these thugs.
again FUCK THE POLL LICE. more evidence that the only good cop is a dead one.
all us victims of poll lice should take to the streets and purge this place of these thugs.
Old troll resurrection fail. Shutup Janssen fagget.
I appreciate Hoser's viewpoint, officers of the law do indeed deserve the means to come home alive. It is a dangerous and extremely difficult job that only a few can do, or even attempt to do.
But the mentally unstable man trapped in unreality also deserves the right to go home alive, even if he is missing a kneecap.
A quiet town needing a fucking Bearcat is not about police safety or citizen safety, it's about an increasing presence and this growing attitude of "THE POLICE ARE YOUR FRIEND" yelled from a bullhorn behind ED-209.
I do want safety for citizens and police alike, Hoser has a great viewpoint from behind enemy lines, and Samantha has a great viewpoint from the common citizen. We do not need military presence in every day life, town streets are not a battlefield. Is it worth striking fear into the hearts of common folk simply because there is an off-chance that a guy armed like it's GTA will show up? Cops armed like troops do not make anyone feel safe, they make everyone nervous.
I'm not shitting on anyone or their right to go home alive, nor am I denigrating what the Police have to deal with. I appreciate everything that is done by Military and Police alike, but the idea that everyday life is looked at like a potential battlefield does make me nervous.
best post in this thread.
also my useless 2 cents, worked as a correctional officer for 2 years, went hands on only once(not counting a couple times drunk people needed a little assistance making it to their suite). I attribute that to a couple things:
1. talked and treated every inmate like a normal human, same as I would talk to any of you on the street, unless prompted otherwise
2. Most other officers in the jail( it is a relatively small jail) worked the same way, it was very clear coming on shift when one of the couple assholes who worked there had been on because the whole place would be tense.
Still don't need a Bearcat. You can run over drunken college brats with a regular police car. Back over them if the job isn't done properly. Also, how is it even possible to get drunk off of Coors Light?
wait, are the cops actually using pinballs? those are CO2 guns with hoppers. Cool if so.
They're called "pepperballs". They contain powdered OC (oleoresin capsicum). Burns just like pepper spray, and hurts like getting hit with a paintball.
