Anyone seen this? I heard it has some of the most violent footage ever caught on film.

I missed the premiere. At some point, I'm going to get it when I see them at a show.

i've seen it; i think it's ridiculous. this shit is in part why the scene collapsed in the early 90's. the most violent footage ever caught on film? no way.
is the scene about music or is it about beating people up? if it's the latter, go watch the wwf

it was ok, but didnt live up to the hype for me, was a little too short. theres some pretty funny stuff in there though.

i bought it. def not worth 20 bucks, i'll bring it w/ me to the converge/draw blood show if you wanna borrow it rev.

yeah, maybe he can sleep over after the show.

yeah.. and then we can all do eachother's hair and makeup!!1 it will be a cute and fun night!!!1

omg! that would be like so much fun.
can we play girl talk?
"aw.. the nerd. hey, he looks like milhouse" -- homer.

FRANCIS PMAN, YES.

fuck

haha tom. YOU JUST GOT SERVED, FAGGOT.

if you click on it it works.
ahaha

the dvd was pretty good. i got it for $12 and i'd say it's worth it. i thought it would be more violent though. the best scene is the two black kids getting their asses kicked outside the paradise. the ramallah footage, and the surgery was very cool. there is a great old clip of wrecking crew on the bonus footage as well.

i own volume 1, and i saw volume 2 at the big screen premiere. the concept is great, but i have to disagree with the way alot of it was arranged and edited.

i just got it, its good but they show the same clips over and over again.... not really worth it.

I saw it... I weep for the future. There is one kid on there bitching about death metal saying it was all "dungeons and dragons" or something to that effect. Then he went on saying hardcore is so much better cuz it's reality and true. I could not help but notice how high strung and pissed off this dude looked. I thought he was going to start foaming at the mouth... For me personally metal is a form of escapism, too much reality makes life suck. Maybe this poor sap needs to figure that out.
The guy that punched the old dude for trying to break the band up must have felt like a real man for knocking a 68 year old man on the ground. It must have sent his ego soaring through the roof knowing he was that tough...
Who was the kid screaming how "not core" someone was at the end there. Next time scream a little a louder buddy I did'nt think you were getting enough attention from the little kids mesmerized by how "core" you were... Yup scream louder next time and maybe a cop will come and club yer fuckn knee caps in and do the world a favor...
The only crew I ever needed was my buddies Smith and Wesson... Degeneration X sux a black cock...

we shouls start a metal crew and own all the hardcore kids that think metal is "fake" and core is "real"

honor4death said:

i thought metal kids were above being in crews, at least thats what so many of you have said.....EVEN THOUGH just about everyone in Suffocation is ThugSquad. Yes, you heard me correctly, members of one of the greatest death metal bands ever are affiliated with a hardcore "crew". I guess now you'll have to decide between not liking Suffocation, or maybe finding something else to complain about beside some hardcore kids you don't even know that have nothing to do with you.

Of course metal is "fake". It's supposed to be. You didn't honestly think that Chris Barnes actually goes out and tortures and kills people did you? You didn't really think Devourment goes out and kills pregnant women. You didn't actually think Bruce Dickenson slays dragons or whatever. You don't really think Cradle of Filth are vampires. For christs sake, Nile isn't even from Egypt....they're from like North Carolina. It's supposed to be fake.

please note: The "you" in my statement was meant to be a general you. Not anyone in peticular.

ive got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell.

At least I've never heard suffocation yell about unity every 3 seconds during a set.

For me it's not fake... I actually slay dragons and other stuff....

The "you" in your statement was directed at me. Now you must suffer the wrath of my black metal crew... Jus kidding, kill yourself...

Only occult is real... Only winter Isolationism is true...

I am in a crew, the superfriends.

We go in roves of 10-15 and team up on one high school emo kid at a time, in true south shore crew fashion. After the dozen or so of us manage to barely beat the one 15 year old emo kid, we brag about how tough we are on our own message board.

metal kids don't have crews. just fake white power rallys that never happen.

Phantom Limb holds white power rallies at every practice.

black metal crew meaning the KKK?


coldnorthernvengeance said:

you all lose because you care about music.

fighting is overated, music is underated.

zing! said:

yes....KKK...that's it....Black Metal is about hating them damn blacks....hahahaha

coldnorthernvengeance-"There is one kid on there bitching about death metal saying it was all "dungeons and dragons" or something to that effect.", "Who was the kid screaming how "not core" someone was at the end there..."


that guy is Colin from Colin of Arabia. and i dare you to say what you just said on this message board to his face, cuz he is the toughest kid ever....yes, ever.

Its funny how Colin says that about death metal but he sells some death metal at his store, and has posters of death metal bands hanging up also.

In my opinion, hardcore and rap are like the same thing, gang mentality, a whole lot of violence...the list of comparisons could go on.

haha personally i thought that was pretty funny about the death metal comment. i wonder what made him say that though. isn't the drummer of TYAG in COA as well?

plenty of nyc metal bands have ties to DMS as well. hc and metal can get along, it's not too hard.

to really understand considerable portions of the video you really need to have been a part of the hardcore scene in boston over the last few years, at least in my opinion. I think alot of people who weren't are being left in the dark about some things. Should it be like that, or is that a production flaw? I'd like to see more people dicussing it as a documentary that it is (or is at least advertised as), rather than a peice of consumption junction footage. I think the video is still having problems breaking away from the girls-gone-wild-ish tendencies of volume I. It tends to rely too heavily on montages of things that look cool, rather than constructing a narrative. Wether you appreciate hardcore or not there's quite an interesting story to be told. The interviews with Nathan, and Baldwin, etc. are excellent, and tell a side of hardcore that most people don't know. It brings the video to the verge of making some really interesting points, but everything in between is just way too thin. Example: As much as I like seeing Dave Suture hit that kid it loses it's significance really fast when I have to keep looking at it without anything to elaborate on it.

I dunno, just my thoughts as a film theory/videography nerd. we'll see what happens in volume 3.

you should ask them if you can edit volume 3

you should ask them if you can get reamed for volume 3.

the guys in that video say that you won't get beat up as long as you don't do anything to deserve it... but at shows I've seen random people get punched and beaten up. a lot of the crap said is just hypocritical and sounds like they just want a reason to hurt people. gimme a fuckin break, there's no philosophy, reasoning behind any of this.. it's just fucking music.

if I was ever involved in any of this shit, I would be sniping all these guys as they exited clubs with a PSG-1 and a Silencer, not fist fighting. call me a pussy, I call it being smart.

tbone_r said:

I met Colin once and he was telling me how he decimated the guy from back of tha neck, and it was the greatest story I ever heard.

i think thats in the movie

yeah, i heard he beat the shit out of the drummer (ex-eternal suffering) w/ a golf club. in the movie they only showed colin slapping him around and making fun of death metal

wow, this dvd sounds like an american classic. I'd rather watch Scooby Doo and the Monster's Island.

carina and I are watching it now.

people definitely miss the point that this is actually supposed to be a documentary on boston hardcore. there's high points as well as low points in terms of the production, but again, as mike said, if you don't have a previous knowledge of whats going on, you probably don't get it. aaron, i'd really like to know what you think of it

xmikex said:

Let's be honest... SUFFOCATION was a decent but incredibly overrated DM band...

About Colin's death metal comment, I think it's aimed more at black metal type bands like iced earth and opeth that actually have dungeons and dragons type lyrics. Saying he has a drummer from tyag isn't really a valid point because they don't have lyrics that would make you think 'they sit in thier basement and play dungeons and dragons'.
They do make it sound as if no unecessary violence goes down, with exceptions like 'unchecked male aggression' and in Colin's interview he does say 'some people go over the line' but for the most part these people that do that are just pricks. I know a handfull of them and spend the majority of thier time looking for useless fights, even here. The DVD all in all was good. definately worth the money. definately what you'd expect.

Opeth dosent have any lyrics about dungeons and dragons. Moron.

I would say thier lyrics and writing style are heavily influenced by medival themes and dungeons and dragons type topics. study them. moron.

last time i checked iced earth and opeth weren't black metal type bands.. or else they would suck. ass clown

I dont need to study them, I know them. I dont know about Iced Earth, but Opeths lyrics are very nature inspired (under the weeping moon, black rose immortal, night and the silent water etc.) and despair (face of melinda, in my time of need, harvest, weakness etc etc etc) Sorry i called you a moron but you are so wrong.

you probably know more about them than I do, but the few lines that I do know (i'll use 'walking through the enchanted forest' as an example) dungeons and dragons/ medival themes come to mind. I may be misinterpereting them though.

Hmmm... I stopped paying attention to this guy when he said ICED EARTH and OPETH were Black Metal...

colin's comment was annoying either way...

shouldnt everyone be doing something better like building a bombshelter for when we get attacked by nuclear warheads

Dick_Bloodeye said:

anyone who had been in the hardcore "scene" in bosotn in the past few years knew what it was about. anyone who wasnt has no place talking about/speculating on it.


like i've said before, and i'll say again: if you were there, you'd get this documentary.

but mike, aren't documentaries supposed to teach people about the subject they cover?

I don't think it takes much to understand why a fight at a show is happening.

"making fun of death metal" give me a fucking break like hardcore is cool? Fuck that. Making fun of death metal = you cant handle death metal. Stupid shit hardcore is lame you go to a show worrying about getting beat up and its fucking true. Boston beatdown isnt a documentary its just certain people trying to get more popular by "shocking" The nation with bullshit that ive seen on cops and various fox tv shows. Fuck hardcore and crews are gay as hell. There is nothing "real" about "hardcore"

yeah, sometimes it feels like you're watching real TV, only at places nearby and people I know in it.... If this video wasn't just for shock value do you really think the GGW people would be interested in capitalizing on 'boston beatdown' by giving them camera's and shit. I love the speech at the beginning it's so funny cause he looks like a terrorist. Maybe those al queda videos were made in boston? It's funny how they beat up stupid dance club ricky martin guys.

paul fod hates hardcore...the truth is out

hahahh

Truth? hah i dont hate hardcore I just like metal so much more always have always will. I mean most of the hardcore bands out there that people like are influenced in someway by metal. Terence made the most valid point hardcore is exactly like rap.

woops. So yeah hardcore is like rap you've got crews, a bunch of bands that miss spell words to look "thug". Not to mention They always have to prove shit lol other hardcore bands and "Crews" fight each other. They are like the poor mans version of some LA gang. If people learned to chill out and have a good time maybe hardcore would be "real"

BBD sucks... FSU is a bunch of glorified low lifes. Keep hardcore out of metal!!!!

tbone_r said:

supposed to.

there are worse things in hardcore than "crews"

hahahah! my thoughts exactly mike

yeah, i agree. guitars suck

^weak.

^seconded.

Is that 2 black eyes he's got or emo make up?

haha what fucking band is that

bet he sucks a mean dick...

coldnorthernvengeance said:

black eyes.

""About Colin's death metal comment, I think it's aimed more at black metal type bands like iced earth and opeth that actually have dungeons and dragons type lyrics. "


bahahhahhah who is this fuck elt me telll him that he knows shit about metal, black metal?????????dungeons and dragons??????

my saying is that any metla band would own hardcore I mean come on

we have swords and maces and battle axes and they have brass knuckles???

all crew kids are weak scared jackasses that need many friends to back them up in a fight. im a metal man all the way, and if i feel the need to fight ill do it by myself with as many foes as there may be, i dont need 8 friends from my high school football team to back me up. if i go down, at least i have honor, unlike crew kids who scream and cry about honor all day, but there is no honor in a 6 on 1 fight.

you must have honor, you used it 3 times in your last sentence

snakes don't have fists.

or do they?

snakes are great.

***hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss***

Chris Barnes said:

I don't think making broad generalizations about a genre of music can be justified by saying "You weren't part of the scene then, you didn't know how it was"... That's total bullshit. Colin's Death Metal comment was stupid. But he does seem pretty reasonable in the interview with him in the bonus footage (though it seems he's kinda contradicting it in the 2 fights I noticed him in hehe... but I don't know the full circumstances there). I'm not saying crucify the guy for making one ignorant comment in passing... But you can't sit here and complain about people stereotyping Hardcore fans as thugs if you're gonna bash other genres baselessly.

Heh, I guess that's sort of directed at xmikex but indirectly in argument with the overall message of the video, since there is criticism of how FSU were stereotyped as jocks by people in the hardcore scene and losers by society. Even were I not into Metal, I would see bashing of Metal by people in Hardcore as counterproductive to their own arguments, weakening the conviction behind their message with the double standard. I mean, they can't even make a DVD without including one insulting comment about Death Metal haha... And I'm sure Colin's not the only one voicing these feelings even though a lot of these guys and their friends are Metalheads to one degree or another.

Anyway... even if some kid in a cheesy Death Metal band was a dork who sat in his basement playing D&D every weekend, I don't see how that makes him an enemy of the Hardcore scene or something...

I also fail to see how fashioncore kids, as gay and ignorant as they may are ruining the Hardcore scene. Granted they are tarnishing its name to some extent, but that's inevitable in all genres... And when's the last time a venue closed down cause of them?

Anyway, I'm not saying I'm above making fun of shitty music and people with bad style for shits and giggles, but I guess the main point is that it's predictable and unfortunate that there's all this back and forth bashing between different subcultures, cause it distracts from things in the big picture that we should maybe be devoting our energy to instead... making music for starters.

once you threw in that 'hehe' i stopped reading

Next time I'll try not to be so amused with myself...


.... douche.

That was me

metal= playing songs about violence & hate
hardcore=carrying out violence & promoting hate

Hmmm, and here I was thinking it was music... and that 1/2 the songs were about unity...

1/2? wow... sorry (lol) ok so what are the other half about then?

and what does 'unity' mean in hardcore? unity in their scene! so maybe even the unity songs are about violence and hate too: if you don't like their about, or are considered by them to be uncool, weak, different from them... you'll get beat up. how cool!!

why don't you knobs ever listen to me. seriously, none of you understood this at all. you missed the point by about 4,000 miles. if the point was in brockton you'd all be in Guam.

stop discussing things you don't understand, all of you.

where can i buy this dvd?

mission sells it

xmikex said:

As far as I could tell, you didn't have any point.

SNAKESSSSSSSSSSSS

Oh, other than "It's ok to make blanket statements about entire musical genres and their fans if you were part of the Boston HC scene of the 90's, but anyone else who does just doesn't understand."

no you dolt, the point of BBD....you missed the point of what was said on boston beatdown.

and thats not even close to what i said. i never condoned or rejected anything that was said on the dvd. good job putting words in my mouth.

jesus christ. you kids are gonna give me a fucking stroke. im done with this thread. i'll leave you goons to your uninformed soap box yelling douchebaggery.

You still haven't made a point. Does it embarass you when you try to come across as intelligent and witty, but always the opposite occurs?

When I go to metal shows no one is concerned about showing off their latest kung fu move... I could give a flying flip flopped fuck about this whole joke of a scene.... Metal forever...

xmikex said:

Hmmm it looks like right here you're endorsing Colin's comment...

End of argument.

METAL IS THE FUCKING LAW

Metal is METAL!!!

That last one was mine too.