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returntothepit >> discuss >> Dysrythmia, Behold...the Arctopus, Conifer, Neptune June 4th by Joe/NotCommon on May 11,2004 11:00am
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toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at May 11,2004 11:00am
At O'Brien's Pub
3 Harvard Ave
Allston, MA

8pm $10 21+

presented by:
www.notcommonrecords.com
www.prophetlessproductions.com
www.relapse.com
www.gorgonzola.com




toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at May 20,2004 7:13am
Support my first relapse venture you bastards.

and I just verified Alabama Thunder Pussy this summer.



toggletoggle post by RustedAngel at May 20,2004 1:11pm
dysrythmia is awesome.



toggletoggle post by attendmyrequiem at May 20,2004 2:32pm
fuuuck...why 21+?

I wanted to go to this



toggletoggle post by The_ExhumeD  at May 20,2004 3:04pm
dysrhythmia rules, indeed they do, its too bad Im NOT 21



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at May 20,2004 4:27pm
It is 21+ because people don't go to other shows.

My 18+ shows do worse then my 21+ shows, and my all ages shows do horrific.



toggletoggle post by The_ExhumeD  at May 20,2004 5:42pm
yeah becuase all the assholes have to drink to have a goodtime, this is coming fron a NON SXE person, seriously I could go sober and still have an awesome time, its just my luck..... anyone make fake ids



toggletoggle post by attendmyrequiem at May 22,2004 12:09am
as if 18+ have less fucking people. If you book shows that aren't all notcommon bands, people would prolly show up for something that's talented and listenable.




toggletoggle post by blue  at May 22,2004 2:39am
hold on there, tiger. joe rarely books a show with more than 1 notcommon band. joes best drawing shows are BY FAR his 21+ shows. people bitch too much about the lack of all ages/18+ shows, yet no one shows up when there are any.



toggletoggle post by RustedAngel at May 22,2004 2:48am
well, most of the people that show up to a 21+ show seems to be because there is alchohol involved.



toggletoggle post by blue  at May 22,2004 2:57am
it certainly doesnt hurt. but it definetly doesnt seem to help the all asia cafe too much, considering its all ages and no one goes there. but i will eat my words if people show up for the willowtip showcase.



toggletoggle post by attendmyrequiem at May 22,2004 11:37am
what? EVERY show is notcommon bands or at least friends of joe. They're all Bane of Existance, Watchmaker, Random Acts of Violence, Phantom Limb, etc. NO ONE who's 18 wants to see that! no one who's 21 does either! they just wanna drink. Now he's getting GOOD bands finally and making it 21+? Ask any band 18+ shows (if the band's actually don't suck) say they always have a better crowd. Those people aren't at the show to get shitfaced.



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at May 26,2004 10:24am
You are the biggest fag ever, I am printing your picture out and making sure you can't get into the Ion Dissonance show.

The fact of the matter is, people do come to my shows and based on how many cds I sell I am going to assume people do like my bands.
Maybe if my bands dumbed down our music to the point of mediocrity like the red chord, you can become a fan too.

18+ clubs run their club and bars as seperate businesses, so they take a higher cut from the door. Most shows I book at the Middle East draw the same as the 21+ shows I book, but at the 21+ shows I get a higher cut.

I hope you can follow me, because I know you are a moron.
Touring acts have guarantees that need to be paid no matter what. If the show is at the Middle East, now I have the tour guarantee and the club guarantee. More people probably would have come to see Dysrythmia at an 18+ club, but not enough more that it would have brought it enough extra cash to leave me with a higher point of profit at the end of the night, and I would like to pay the opening bands and possibly more money to the touring acts.

If you want me to dumb that down for your simple mind, let me know and I will see what I can do, fag.



toggletoggle post by succubus  at May 26,2004 10:50am
ok now to generalize all joe's bands and say they suck? have you heard them all?
that's not a nice thing to say out right
~~~~
on another note,
joe is not the one that picks the ages of the people to let in...it depends on the place and the license it has.
i don't see how underaged people can say who goes to 21 plus shows and why when THEY DON'T GO.
he does a lot of great things for the scene and books bands and NOT all of them are on his label...maybe if people complaining, went to the shows, they'd know this. (he also has all ages shows)
i know for a fact people ASK joe to play his shows and he does his part. He also is trying to get out of state bands to play and has already done this.
~~~
i hate all this arguing dammit
ps to joe: I don't like alabama thunderpussy



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jun 1,2004 1:54pm
This week you ugly motherfuckers



toggletoggle post by phantos   at Jun 1,2004 5:12pm
somebody say booze?
BOOZE!!



toggletoggle post by attendmyrequiem at Jun 1,2004 7:21pm
Joe/NotCommon said:
You are the biggest fag ever, I am printing your picture out and making sure you can't get into the Ion Dissonance show.

The fact of the matter is, people do come to my shows and based on how many cds I sell I am going to assume people do like my bands.
Maybe if my bands dumbed down our music to the point of mediocrity like the red chord, you can become a fan too.

18+ clubs run their club and bars as seperate businesses, so they take a higher cut from the door. Most shows I book at the Middle East draw the same as the 21+ shows I book, but at the 21+ shows I get a higher cut.

I hope you can follow me, because I know you are a moron.
Touring acts have guarantees that need to be paid no matter what. If the show is at the Middle East, now I have the tour guarantee and the club guarantee. More people probably would have come to see Dysrythmia at an 18+ club, but not enough more that it would have brought it enough extra cash to leave me with a higher point of profit at the end of the night, and I would like to pay the opening bands and possibly more money to the touring acts.

If you want me to dumb that down for your simple mind, let me know and I will see what I can do, fag.



Well, I wouldn't say the shows "do better" (that normally means turn out, joe, and from your previous paragraph you haven't proved). They make more money because people drink and the venues charge you differently. It's not a show that does better, but one that is better for you pocket (which is understandable to do). That could have easily been said in the begining. And as for me being a moron? Who wore the baby blue camo shirt yesterday? Is there anything smart about that decision?



toggletoggle post by attendmyrequiem at Jun 1,2004 7:31pm
succubus said:
ok now to generalize all joe's bands and say they suck? have you heard them all?
that's not a nice thing to say out right
~~~~
on another note,
joe is not the one that picks the ages of the people to let in...it depends on the place and the license it has.
i don't see how underaged people can say who goes to 21 plus shows and why when THEY DON'T GO.
he does a lot of great things for the scene and books bands and NOT all of them are on his label...maybe if people complaining, went to the shows, they'd know this. (he also has all ages shows)
i know for a fact people ASK joe to play his shows and he does his part. He also is trying to get out of state bands to play and has already done this.
~~~
i hate all this arguing dammit
ps to joe: I don't like alabama thunderpussy


But, he does have the choice of booking it at a 21+ venue or an 18+ venue and he's well aware of what venues do what as he just stated. And previously to his last post I was unaware as to why he would book a show with good out-of-state bands at a 21+ show. and, yes, I'll be rude because i got a bullshit answer of "it does better", which he even proved false, and I wanted a better one, which i finally got.



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jun 2,2004 8:44am
It has nothing to do with me pocketing money, it has to do with me not losing money. Money I take from shows goes into advertising and promotion my other shows, and I am still not breaking even on it, so if you don't like it then don't come because nobody wants your support.



toggletoggle post by JonahBloodbath   at Jun 2,2004 10:59am
Not to butt my head into this homophobic name calling macho extraviganza, but it is %100 possible to book amazing shows with big crowds, touring artists and pay the bands at ALL AGES VENUES.

It takes some work but anyone who says its impossible is just fucking wrong. Music is something thats really important to me and when I'm booking a show I want every last person thats interested to come. I'm not going to turn anyone away based on age, income level, anything.



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jun 2,2004 1:02pm
You have the HOSS at your fingertips with it's own scene, some of us other promoters are not so lucky.
I have booked plenty of all ages shows, and nobody cared. And before some idiot replies that the only all ages shows I book are local bands or only notcommon bands, go read about the willowtip showcase from all asia last night that barely anyone showed up to regardless of advertising, promoting and flyering the show.

Don't try to sit there and say I am turning people away because I booked a show at a 21+ club. Lobby the fucking government to give all ages licenses to all these fucking clubs if you want 15 year fat goth girls to come to every fucking show.
I don't give a shit, if a band doesn't want to play a show I book because it's 21+ or 18+ or at the wrong fucking venue then fuck them. I don't really care, because I book shows I like at places I like and if some band wants to be a fucking tool or idiots want to complain on some fucking message board about it, then fuck them too.
I don't see why you people are fucking complain so much, just don't fucking come and support my shows if you don't like what I am doing.
I don't really care what you say or think, atleast Jonah books his own shows to do things the way he thinks they should be done, the rest of you are fucking gay hypocrites, so keep your fucking mouths shut or book your own fucking shows and see how easy it is to juggle 5+ shows a month you pieces of shit.



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jun 2,2004 1:11pm
come early for Neptune everyone they're former bandmates of mine and Dan is a maniac on drums (well, John plays the full kit--Dan plays more like this sawblade monstrosity)



toggletoggle post by litacore   at Jun 2,2004 1:12pm
all their instruments are made of scrap metal too



toggletoggle post by Terence   at Jun 2,2004 1:13pm
Joe, me and you are in the same fix. Lets join together and monopolize the scene.



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jun 2,2004 1:15pm
I'd just like to add that the only people who came to the All Asia yesterday for the willowtip show were the loyal boston metal fans who don't give a shit about what to wear, who booked what, who said who where or any of the other stupid bullshit attend my requiem and others feel the need to live their pathetic lives by



toggletoggle post by attendmyrequiem @ school at Jun 2,2004 6:56pm
I spent my spare money I had for the week to go see Pillory. I care less if i'm a true boston metal fan. I'm a technical metal fan and I'll be there to support bands like Pillory (instead of making fun of their vocalist) who blow away the bands that I'm 'supposed to like' to be a "loyal boston metal fan". Fuck that, I support bands who impress me... period. So yes, if i don't like it don't show up. Like you said, Joe. You're comments contradict yourself and make no sense.



toggletoggle post by attendmyrequiem @ school at Jun 2,2004 6:58pm
JonahBloodbath said:
Not to butt my head into this homophobic name calling macho extraviganza, but it is %100 possible to book amazing shows with big crowds, touring artists and pay the bands at ALL AGES VENUES.

It takes some work but anyone who says its impossible is just fucking wrong. Music is something thats really important to me and when I'm booking a show I want every last person thats interested to come. I'm not going to turn anyone away based on age, income level, anything.


Good call. I have only been to one of your shows (I would have been to a few more, but the show and my schedule conflicted) but I've had more fun in that basement with a ton of kids I don't know than I have had at some shows with a ton of my friends.



toggletoggle post by phantos   at Jun 2,2004 10:55pm edited Jun 2,2004 10:56pm
this is what Shadley thinks about the whole thing:

who gives a fuck.
go to a show for one reason...

because you fucking want to.



toggletoggle post by JonahBloodbath   at Jun 3,2004 2:31am
Joe: I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience with all ages shows. I'm very lucky to be friends with the hoss kids, but like all diy venues that place isn't going to last forever and I've been scrambling to find more places for shows (for the record the hoss is waaay harder to book then the all asia). Basements aside, anyone can rent a vfw hall, and once you do that its all a matter of bookings bands that people are going to come see. I book bands that I like, but I'm not going to book a show that no one will come to. If people aren't coming to your all ages shows then your prolly just booking bands that younger kids arent really into. I don't think thats your fault, or kids faults, but dont give up on these shows. I am pretty much appalled by %90 of what you post on this board, but I'm glad someone is booking metal bands in boston.

requiem: Thanks a ton for checking out which ever show you made it to. I try and not only book bands I like, but create an environment that everyone feels comfortable in. I dont know if we've met, but please feel free to say hi if you come to any more of my shows.



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jun 3,2004 8:58am
JonahBloodbath said:
Joe: I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience with all ages shows. I'm very lucky to be friends with the hoss kids, but like all diy venues that place isn't going to last forever and I've been scrambling to find more places for shows (for the record the hoss is waaay harder to book then the all asia). Basements aside, anyone can rent a vfw hall, and once you do that its all a matter of bookings bands that people are going to come see. I book bands that I like, but I'm not going to book a show that no one will come to. If people aren't coming to your all ages shows then your prolly just booking bands that younger kids arent really into. I don't think thats your fault, or kids faults, but dont give up on these shows. I am pretty much appalled by %90 of what you post on this board, but I'm glad someone is booking metal bands in boston.


I don't doubt the HOSS is harder to book then the All Asia, that place is the easiest place to do a show at. But all HOSS shows I hear about are ones you have put on.
I've been there and done the hall show route and it was too hit or miss for the amount of money that would be involved for the PA, bands, the hall and possible detail cops.
I could tell by being at the HOSS that it's a cool place to be for alot of those kids who were there. Obviously they like the shows you are doing too, but it's definately a little scene there. It's awesome you have been able to tap into something like that. Maybe the All Asia isn't cool enough or something, I really don't know. Maybe it's that the kids haven't got into the bands I book, which I am sure has alot to do with some of the All Asia shows I had.
I could sit here and debate marketing with you, but that idiot AttendmyRequiem will continue to post foolish, dim-witted things so I don't really want to continue in this thread because he just can't understand anything as simple and obvious as they may be.

If you want to continue a discussion Jonah, feel free to email me because I'd like your impression on a few things actually.
Notcommonrecords@yahoo.com




toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jun 3,2004 9:15am
ok so who's going to this show?



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jun 3,2004 9:17am edited Jun 3,2004 9:20am
This show will probably have over 100 paying people. Neptune and Conifer would probably sell this show out themselves.



toggletoggle post by attendmyrequiem at Jun 3,2004 1:20pm
JonahBloodbath said:
Joe: I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience with all ages shows. I'm very lucky to be friends with the hoss kids, but like all diy venues that place isn't going to last forever and I've been scrambling to find more places for shows (for the record the hoss is waaay harder to book then the all asia). Basements aside, anyone can rent a vfw hall, and once you do that its all a matter of bookings bands that people are going to come see. I book bands that I like, but I'm not going to book a show that no one will come to. If people aren't coming to your all ages shows then your prolly just booking bands that younger kids arent really into. I don't think thats your fault, or kids faults, but dont give up on these shows. I am pretty much appalled by %90 of what you post on this board, but I'm glad someone is booking metal bands in boston.

requiem: Thanks a ton for checking out which ever show you made it to. I try and not only book bands I like, but create an environment that everyone feels comfortable in. I dont know if we've met, but please feel free to say hi if you come to any more of my shows.



I made it out to that Anodyne show way way back with Within the Fray, Tidal, and your band. I ended up chilling with a couple kids from that show who were like "dude you should have said hi. i'm not gonnna bite" it was a very cool experience.



toggletoggle post by fuckalldabullshtholmes!! at Jun 3,2004 8:08pm
phantos said:
this is what Shadley thinks about the whole thing:

who gives a fuck.
go to a show for one reason...

because you fucking want to.





toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jun 3,2004 8:24pm
so who is going?



toggletoggle post by SmallBrownRatFuck   at Jun 5,2004 1:13am
Holy fuckin' shit, this was one of the best shows I've ever gone to in my life. Neptune was killer, Conifer rules all (as usual), Arctopus floored me, and Dysrythmia... fuckin' A. Alls I know is that I got taught. Arctopus sported a goddamn Warr guitar. A WARR guitar. Jesus fuckin' christ. The guy really knew how to play that thing.

There aren't words that I can say that can describe this show.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 5,2004 2:12am
I'm home.
working on the pictures now.
give me a bit.

I got a couple of shots I actually like.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 5,2004 3:11am
neptune: I got there for the end of a song. they had a bunch of home made instruments. I cna't really review them I guess.

conifer: man, they rocked out. then king douche came up and sang for a song. I love seeing conifer and bang my head a lot while seeing them. after the show, they complained that they haven't been practicing... damn good for no practice.

behold the arctopus: wtf?!? seriously... this was ove the top. I have no clue what that instrument was.. like a bass mixed with a guitar. All I know is that it was fucking insane. I would love to see a play off between them, psyopus and othrelm. there are a couple pictures in this set that I really like.

dysrthmia: I was never a big fan of these guys on cd, but I was always impressed with them live. all the songs they they played were really good (except the 2nd... which I didn't care for). the bass player goes crazy.



toggletoggle post by carrie_toshort at Jun 5,2004 3:42am
in the random shot with the two boys, who's the boy in the black hat? i've seen him before at shows...

carrie



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 5,2004 4:07am
that's joe.



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jun 5,2004 8:11am
Thanks to everyone who came out, there was a good crowd for sure. I was a little nervous at first but it worked out okay in the end.

Neptune was cool stuff, I'd like to get them onto more shows. They aren't really metal, but I think they would go over well with some of the bands around here.

Conifer was fucking killer as usual, they got a great crowd response from the art snobs. It was their first show in Boston since Feb 13, so all the scum bags came out of the woodwork to see them. Good times.

Behold...The Arctopus from NYC, wow. I told them they have to come back and they agreed.

Dyshrythmia was definately fun to watch, they had alot of energy on stage and are better live like Aaron said, though I do like the cd as well.



toggletoggle post by BronzeBronson  at Jun 5,2004 2:55pm
killagorilla



toggletoggle post by phantos   at Jun 7,2004 12:24am
the musicianship, excluding myself, was outstanding this night.
I can't believe more people did not show.
my head was blown clean off.



toggletoggle post by fuckalldabullshtholmes!! at Jun 9,2004 7:40pm
i second that



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