watching it online now.

Should be able the weezer song.

Hard to believe that black smoke and Jacob are brothers.

is MIB justin beiber?

marijuana around a tunnel?

and MIB got so old when the mother stayed the same age.

wow, what a really good episode, but I dont know how I feel about it.

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I want to make sure I understand what happened at the end.....what I thought, they were implying that the MIB (now Locke) is NOT Jacob's brother, but was unleashed when Jacob's brother went into the cave and took the form of Jacob's brother...is that right?















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basically, the MIB is not the smoke monster, as we all believed. the smoke monster is the MIB. MIB is just one of the many forms the smoke monster has taken throughout the series (Eko's brother, Christian, Locke, Jacob and twin's mother, etc.)

This is what I don't get.. Jacob is supposed to be the definitive good guy, the very representation / embodiment of good.. and he killed his brother? seems to be a disconnect there.

no he can't kill his brother and he is the smoke moster, he just lost his body. MIB has said that jacob took his body. becoming the smoke monster is from what his mother said "worse than death".

the smoke monster seems to need a dead person to become them.

Anyone wanna comment on how young Jacob is the kid evil locke and sawyer saw in the jungle?

I saw that, but it's hard to say that you figured it out cause it's on the preview.

if you read lostepidia about MIB
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Man_in_Black

"Jacob, in turn, took revenge by sending him to the heart of the island, which transformed him into his smoke form."

Not saying I figured it out, just wondering what it means that Sawyer could see him. Since he's the master of the double-cross, you think he might be working for Jacob all along?

shittiest episode ever.

Sawyers tricks are always so apparent

Wondering if there is a connection between the MIB being able to see his dead mother and people like Hurley being able to see dead people. Jacob could not see his dead mother. Sawyer could see Jacob as a boy, after he had died too.

Is it that people that are similar to the MIB can see dead people but people closer to Jacob "candidates" can not? So...Jack will be the next Jacob possibly. He's already complaining he doesn't want to leave like Jacob did as a boy. Sawyer is the opposite like the MIB, just wants to leave.

he couldn't kill his brother while they were both candidates. once Eve made Jacob the island's protector, MIB was no longer a candidate, and could be killed by both Jacob or the smoke monster.

I STILL HAVE YET TO SEE THIS EPISODE...

@domestic: i don't personally buy that.

@sigh: hurley is the furthest from MIB and he can see all sorts of dead people. I think the dead people revile themselves to whomever they want to. There have been cases were people have seen dead people while others that have seen dead people before, couldn't.

there are only 3 hrs left and they have to conclude so much. Hell, this one episode was WAY too crammed. And the fact that they showed the other scene with Jack/Kate/Locke and the adam and eve just seems lazy.

I originally agreed with him because of the fact that its his body in the cave ("Adam" of Adam & Eve), but you raised an excellent point, if the smoke monster is NOT actually Jacob's brother, then theoretically, they should be able to hurt each other....and from what we've been led to believe, they couldn't hurt each other

....which leads me to a thought....if the same rules apply to the candidates still alive (Jack, Hurley, Sawyer), then they can't kill Locke either, so it will have to be someone who is not a candidate that defeats Locke...either Widmore has to succeed in his plan, or Kate or Claire have to kill him somehow

The movie labyrinth was loosely based on Joe Christianni's early career as
a petrolium transfer technician.

why would they be able to hurt each other? one is the guardian of the island/light/whatever and the other is a creature made of smoke.

but the whole reason behind them not being able to hurt each other was because their "mother" made it so....if the smoke monster and MIB are not the same person, then what would stop them from being able to hurt each other?

the same thing that stopped them from killing each other before this episode aired. we don't know. we just accepted it, and hopefully it will be answered.
all i'm saying is that Eve doing something to keep the twins from killing each other is just an explanation of why the candidates can't be harmed.
that mystery now has a concrete answer. but using that reveal to explain why smokey and Jacob can't kill each other is just an assumption, albeit a logical one, but not concrete.

how is it not concrete? and how does that explain the candidates and NOT Jacob?

it's not concrete because we haven't been told that it's concrete. until someone on the show says that that is the case, then it is not definitive, just conjecture.

it doesn't. it just explains why the twins as candidates couldn't harm one another. once Jacob becomes the Protector (and thus ceases being a candidate) we don't know what rules governing him and the opposing force.


i wasn't saying that "using that reveal to explain why smokey and Jacob can't kill each other" is wrong or anything. actually, it's the most logical and likely conclusion. i'm just saying there's room for speculation. we could be assuming too much. the show is chock full of such misdirections.

I disagree, I think it has to do with this amorphous "special" quality that some of the characters have. The dead folk don't seem to just appear willy-nilly, they only appear to select characters who have been referred to as "special".

As for MIB/Smoke Monster, I think they're one and the same. I agree with the idea that becoming the Smoke Monster is the fate "worse than death".

So:
What are the rules of the game that Jacob is now playing?

What is the nature of this "light"? Is it a well of souls?

I think that was the whole point of bringing that up at all, to explain why Jacob and the smoke monster could not directly harm one another...it would be pointless to bring that up otherwise...and it would make sense that the reason the smoke monster couldn't kill Jacob is the same reason the smoke monster can't kill the candidates

@ Domestic Terror: Also note how Eve thanks the MIB when she dies, as if she couldn't be killed except by someone who wasn't a candidate. She'd already made Jacob the new Protector at that point.

But the John Locke/Smoke Monster has said that he could kill all the candidates if he wanted to, he just can't because it'd fuck up his plan to get off the island.

he was lying to make Jack trust him...Locke's plan all along was to get them all together and force them to kill each other so he can leave the island...but Jack was right when they were in the sub...he couldn't kill them himself, but having it so they try to diffuse the bomb and that backfiring made it so that the bomb could kill them...if Sawyer left the bomb alone like Jack was telling him too, the bomb wouldn't have gone off

long story short, Jack figured the whole thing out...everything the smoke monster has done since changing to Locke was leading up to getting the remaining candidates together and have them all get killed but their own hands so he'd be free...they are the last defense against him leaving the island, which is supposedly gonna blink out existence, if we believe Widmore

that's a whole other can of worms i've been trying to avoid thinking about. she definitely seemed grateful to be killed. as in "thank you for freeing me from my thousand year shitty job watching this light source."
so did she orchestrate the whole shebang just to be from from this. maybe being the somewhat immortal protector of the island is the "fate worse than death" she was referring to. what the fuck kind of creature is she? my head hurts...

"The thing that's cool about the Island is that the Island can sort of conjure up these images of great importance from your life. Then the characters on the show have to sort of deal with the consequences. Those visions often provide tests, and those tests are right along the axis of what is most important for the character." -- Carlton Cuse, DVD commentary for "The Man Behind the Curtain".

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ghosts

you saying that Boone is special? Shannon?

Ben 3
Boone 1
Charlie 2 Charlie's dream
Claire 1,4 Claire's dream
Desmond 3 Desmond's flashes
Eko 2,3 Eko's dreams
Hurley 2,4,5,6
Jack 1,4
Kate 2,4
Locke 1,2,3,4,5 Locke's dreams
Man in Black 6
Michael 4
Sawyer 2,6
Sayid 2
Shannon 2
Walt 5