We are looking for a (preferably) experienced drummer who can actually play metal. People have replied to our previous ads, and when we audition them, even after hearing our material, are expected not to blast or do fast double bass work, or they can't do it. Have a listen to us here

http://www.myspace.com/convulsiaband

We don't really have a defined sound yet, as one of our songs is more deathcore-ish, another is traditional death metal, and the other is kind of a mix of both. We practice in Providence, RI.

Requirements are simple:
-Must have transportation
-Must know how to play your instrument
-At least 17

If you're having trouble with people coming down that aren't up to spec, you should add some tempo specifics to your requirements. Like
-must be able to blast and play DB 16th at 220.
(obviously i have no idea how fast you guys play, but you guys can clock yourselves with a metranome pretty easily. and any death metal drummer worth his weight in buffalo nickles knows how fast he plays.)

Hmm, good idea! Thanks alot. Sick band btw

-Must be able to blast at LEAST 8ths at 135 BPM
-Double bass must be able to reach at least 16ths at 170 BPM, faster would be amazing though.

so your looking for a drummer who can play 880 single stokes on the kick in a minute.

#10 on the worlds fastest drummer list has 909 single stroke kicks (double bass) and the fastest female drummer only clocks in at 799 stokes.

Stoked, khed

yeah, those numbers are remarkably high. When you have the metronome on 120, and you're doing 8 notes per beat, you're actually talking about 8th notes. Now, most people would call that playing at 240, as the standard for talking about DB speed is quarter notes. Keep in mind that 240 is REAL fast.

As for the blasts, I assume you mean quarter notes at 135. Which most people would actually call playing blasts at 270. Which again, is really fucking fast.

So as long as you want to be Origin, those numbers work.

Simple solution:

DRUM MACHINE

simple solution:

harder not faster

Unrealisitc blasts are simple on a drum machine. Just sayin'.

I know you drummer boys hate fake drums anyways. I was always indifferent. There are some horrible fake drumming releases, none more worse than infernecrons first demo, which I took pride in making horrible drums.

that's what she said.

i did the exact same math in my head and laughed at this dudes request.

i thought it would be easier to explain how fast it was by comparing it to the worlds fastest drummers.

I get it, and thought i would show him how to properly figure out the numbers he should use... as opposed to showing him what he said sounded stupid. But they both worked.

Most musicians, drummers included, assume that click=quarter. Therefore 8 notes per click is 32nd notes, exactly as he specified.

Meanwhile Jim's right, these are remarkably fast for a drummer.

Do all drummers view music as math?

Just the competent ones.

All drummers that know how to play drums, yeah. Sort of unavoidable.

All music is math. A power chord isn't a fifth because of what the guitarist is drinking, right?

NOT just drummers do this sir, anyone who is schooled in music know that math is a big part of it. Not all of it, but definitely a part.

DYA knows what im talking about

im listening to this band now.


16th notes at 115-125 bpm i dont think any of this actually gets up to 135 bpm.

I'd have to argue with you there.
Most music is math, indeed. But I wouldn't say drone/ambience/etc is math. Then again, is that music?

Music to me is a combination of math and heart. Bands that lack one or the other always fail.

fuck math play sloppy power chords or your a pussy

2+2 = faggot

Oh, right, I forgot counting to 4 is totally optional if you listen to Celtic Frost and are super br00tal, guy. LOL

BababababababababaBOOSHbababaBOOSHbabababababaabababaBIDDLYBOOSHbababaababaBOOSHBOOSHduppadaduppadaduppadaBOOSH

[/toss a vacuum cleaner]

Math is real. Even in your ambient music. Contrast, timing, interval, and even pitch are measurable, can be recreated, and are therefore based firmly in MATH.

HEART is a purely subjective, undefinable, bullshit word used by people that either lack mathematical talent or refuse to acknowledge it's existence in fear that labeling and quantifying anything will take away it's hoodoo joojoo magic.

True. Music is math, if you're talking about specifics. But It does not need to be taken into consideration when making all kinds of music.
Music comes from within. I know we could discuss it (as we have in the past), but there's more to music than just math. It plays a major part, but isn't everything.

do a ritual about it.

math is a useful tool for organizing musical inspiration and ideas provided by the heart and mind. imho.

precisely. Creativity can't be explained in mathematical terms.

In metal specifically, they fail more often than not especially when the song goes superhuman speeds... but when they work, they add to the music (Walknut - Graveforests and Anaal Nathrakh stuff have flawless fake drums)

I grew to not care about them in black metal because of all the demo bands that use them.
Obviously real drums are better

bullshit!

Mathematics is artistic in itself. Music is a form of art that makes use of math. Or, sometimes it doesn't use math. That's essentially all you can say about it.

1 thread + 3 different arguments / Infinite Opinions = 0 point

i just performed a ritual.

Everything in existance is fractal.

yes, Human Composition uses mathematical values, but if one band is better than the other, that doesn't mean the song writer is better at math.
Composition and creativity always reign.

lol @ meshuggah

The point I'm making is math is music and music is math, but what really matters is composition; as with any art. We have the ability to create anything, given the boundaries.

Maybe I should stop talking before I male a greater fool out of myself for not explaining my point clearly.
Dman you arrowhead! Always right.

math is science. not art.

the mona lisa was painted by an artist. it was not colored by numbers.

the science of math can be used to recreate this art.

creating music is art. understanding it is math.

back on topic.......brootal core band needs ridiculous drummer

Interesting.
Because music is art, does that mean it's 200 bucks?

Right. A mathematician would say that numbers are everywhere and he'd be right, down to the frequency of the sounds produced. "Heart" is only recognizable by us and doesn't exist outside of the mind.

If we're talking about math used in composition, who cares. Some use it, some don't.

creating logos is art.

if you pay $200 for a logo you are bad at math.

Hahaha

Ark & arrow

then we agree. Like I said, everything in the universe is mathematical.
Music is the audible representation of math.
But composition is beyond math.
Maybe I'm just a retard because I view and hear colors when I listen to music.

i agree with 2+2=faggot.

After all that, I'm still a shitty drummer.

That's because you don't put heart into it.

Woah this definitely spun out of control. Yeah, I meant to say half of that speed, I just glanced at guitar pro and realized it in class today, I knew itd come back to haunt me. And yes, the drums are programmed, because we need a drummer :( Im trying to stray away from the -core though, so if a drummer here can help me that'd be great.

welcome to rttp

Yeah lmfao reminds me of Ultimate-Guitar's pit.

We Hate Everyone

And where the fuck did the $200 logo come in? LOL

Well, if you ever wanted a drummer just to record, i'd love to help.

My head hurts.

stupid thread title.
sure your not looking for a funk drummer or jazz drummer for your metal band?
why do metal kids put the word metal in front of everything they do to justify that they can do it.

"metal dude about to eat a metal burrito while listening to metal"

Brutal metal burrito.

i want a burrito

Read the post you fuck When we posted ads and DIDN't specify we needed a metal drummer, yet still linked to our music, and they listened to it, they would come down unable to do blasts or any double bass work. We had like 3 bro dudes try out and fail miserably.

Thatd be amazing dude! What can we give you in return?

band needs a drummer... im surprised.

are you talking about in return for a burrito?

No LMFAO I meant in return for you doing recordings for us

you could pay for those recordings to be done real well and make sure you pimp my name all ova, son!

or, i also play for weed.

Hmm sounds like a good time all around! ;D Ill def get back to you, got an email address?