So, I'm considering the Army National Guard Reserves as a career change. So far in my young life, my seemingly only options are to continue to search for full-time work, go back to school in the fall (to where I'm already accepted), or try the military.

Anyone with any military experience on this board please share your experiences.

I don't have any military experience but my younger brother is joining up with the Army Reserves for the same reasons.

I hope you enjoy iraq.

wait, I'm sorry... you might go to Afghanistan or Pakistan.

Or even North Korea at this point. I have a buddy that is a career Marine -- Capt. of 1st recon. He digs it, but he is also fucking nuts.

you already believe in god so there's 1/2 of the prereqs.

Don't ask, don't tell.

I don't have military experience although I heavily considered it after I graduated college because I wanted to become an officer (not enough people in the military have degrees it seems).
But as a father as well, I'll make a rare serious rttp statement. let me tell you right now that you won't be able to spend that much time with your kid as you'd like, and that you're going to have to make some serious personal sacrifices. Althouh the Reserve isn't really as brutal/time consuming as joining the marines, air force, etc.. it's still going to be a big deal if something happens. so think about what's best for your kid, not for yourself

bennyhillifier

yeah... YEAH ::shakes fists::

The reserve program is silly
the call to service program is silly.

4 years active USAF or bust.

if something happens? if? isn't something already happening? let's talk to all the reservist that are dying in iraq. I think that if you already have kid(s) joining something like this isn't the best idea if you want to see them grow up at all. Especially if you are unmarried to the baby momma. Honestly, this is something that you should have figured out before you started making babies.

something is already happening, but something BIG is bound to happen soon. when that big thing happens, WE GONNA GET DRAFTED BITCHES!

Didn't you vote for a war mongering president?

I would say:
#1 Job = spend lots of time with kid, but in 20 years you get a watch and a map to the golf courses in the area
#2 School = around for kid, but busy and broke as fuck for 4+ years
#3 Military = deployed and away from kid for 1.5 years to life. Then when you come back you will start with #2.

If it were me, I would go with #2. Just think of all the college tail.

You're already accepted to school - go to school. Get an education. Then join the military if you want, become an officer, you'll have more options.

Being a poor student working your ass off for 4+ years is worth it. You don't have to limit your job options when you get out.

I have 3 friends that joined the military after school; one joined the army, became a ranger, and died in a helicopter in Afghanistan. The other went to the air force, probably for a career. The last joined the Navy, and said it was the worst choice he had ever made, his service ends in a few months and he can't wait to go to school.

Stay in school kids.

"Didn't you vote for a war mongering president?"

We all did since Obama can't do shit just like McCain.

@aril: look up stats on the war. I believe that there are 10K army reservists in iraq. Recruiters make it sound awesome, but all the people wanting to fuck hookers in germany end up eating sand in iraq.

plus the navy looks like donald duck.

*high school durrrrrrrrr

btw darkwor, I got a roll of film back and there is a picture of your singer. I hope I can get my scanner up and running so that I can scan it and put it in my random shots.

I thought there were more then just two men running.

It's wierd to me when people are compassionate about the lives of soldiers, and elect men in office who throw them to the dogs.

that's why we need to utilize a.) robots in war soon or b.) clones

Welcome to special interest politics.

or eliminate religion and illegalize exploitation of groups of people to produce whatever the american dream is these days.

"Me Soo Howney"

i'm with aril and the rev. think of your kid first in this situation. i could never join the military. i miss my kid when i don't see her for hours at a time.

Does this just go for Abrahamic religions, or are you also for abolishing mystical and/or pagan practices?

hahahha yes

yeah, kid's giving all of himself...
and by that, he's like sully cutting his hummer through cars on 93.

That song is so thin... What does the national guard have to do with nascar?

Fuck if I know. But dude, did you hear that riff? I am so signing up...

that kid rock video needs more airplanes and godsmack music.

haha excellent...i'm sorry you wasted real film on him. does it look anything like this?

idk.. I'm going to bump the thread about it.

I have been thinking of my daughter which is why I'm not making any official choices on this matter. It's really difficult because while I love being a father, I need to have a career to help support her. Even if I was going to school, finding work is just as hard as it is now. I'm supposed to be seeing a recruiter next week and just discussing my options and getting general info.

you have to think in both short term and long term. if you have a supportive family that can help you with anything, then I'd suggest going to school. look up night courses. look up online courses. short term solution would be getting a job now, but you don't want to get stuck at a job that you don't like. college (especially getting an associates or bachelor's degree) does not mean that you'd get an awesome paying job right away. but it will at least help.
sadly, a bachelor's degree today is not what it was worth 20 years ago. anything master's or above is what people REALLY look for these days.
either way you do it, you're going to be so busy in the next few years of your life.

meeting with a recruiter isn't what it used to be. Have fun signing up as they usually badger/fight/reason with you until you agree to sign stuff. If you sign anything there at all, have fun in iraq and not seeing your daughter for 1.5years to life.

There is no caveat to this fucking statement. The military is not the answer to your prayers.

Go to school, get your degree, and get a job that will provide some stability. Fuck, get two if you need to. Your kid will be way better off than if you come back from Iraq/Afghanistan/etc. all fucked up or dead.

seriously, MK/CTB, i hope you listen to the people on this board telling you not to sign up. there are much better options out there for you and your daughter.

Well, like I said, I'm keeping my options open and I'm only meeting with this guy to talk about my situation and get some general info. My friend Taylor went through this guy and he vouches for him so I feel more comfortable about it.

recruiters are the scum of the earth. they know what to say to make their snake oil look perfect for you. you are a number, a quota. hell, I talk to those people and think "fuck ya! I can do thaat GODSMACK"
any and all things they promise you is a lie.

do your own reseach annd don't deal with those trained liars. you are a quota number that is keeping them out of iraq.

Even if I happened to somehow be eligible for deployment to Iraq, by the time I'm done training, I might not even have to go because of the pullout by next August (allegedly).

1st of all, don't listen to Rev. he hasn't the slightest idea. He wears Birkenstocks for Christs sake.

2nd, it's the reserves, the last place that the country looks to a battle hardened unit.

3rd, there is nothing at all wrong with serving the country that has provided you with the very blanket of security that you were raised under.

4th, DO NOT under any circumstances take anyone's opinion unless they have served. Otherwise they are no better than the "trained liars" that have a quota to fill (which is BS by the way Rev, I don't know whether you're delusional or get your info from chumps who have never really been there.)

5th, I gave 6 years of my life to the active duty Marine Corps. and another 4 in reserves, and have never been more proud of my sacrifices to this country. All as a Rifleman with 2/2 Echo Co. CLNC

Finally, make your own decisions. Full Metal Jacket is about the Marine Corps., not the Army Reserves or the National Guard. Those 2 are a completely different animal with far less training (not to discredit those who serve in any way.)

Make your own decisions, the hippy fags on this board piss on our flag on a daily basis through their shitty dialogue, and demeaning attitude toward any man who serves the flag. Yet they live in complete security because of it. Get used to it, you'll never be appreciated by the ignorant and fortunate, which are one in the same.

If you decide to go, you have my support 100%.

And that is a lie as well, bud.

Also uninformed bullshit.

Thanks, Hoser. I figured you'd be in this thread eventually.

I am definitely interested in the NG but want the Reserves so I don't get deployed. That's all I'm really worried about.

Having either a diploma or experience in the military are both pluses on a resume and I'm going to get either one.

not likely with our president. If he did 'pull out' any troops, it would be to send them to lebenon or iran to save mother israel.

Go to school around your full time work schedule. I don't know what school you were accepted to but a number of colleges offer accelerated programs specifically designed for working adults.

It sucks going from work to class for 4 hours or whatever two nights out of the week for 18 months but it beats the fuck out of getting sent to Afghanistan and if you come home going to the same classes anyway.

i tried enlisting in the army when i was 23 or 24, and they told me i was too insane for the military. plus, i cant legally be around firearms since i am, clinically psychotic. its documented

I got accepted to Great Bay Community College (http://www.greatbay.edu/index.html ) and I'd be going there for Liberal Arts - Business. If I went through the military, they would help me pay off my old school debt and pay for my future college costs. If they did that, I could just start at UNH instead of doing CC and transferring after.

From the viewpoint of a realist ---

Most people are shitheads, and if you're anywhere near the top, everyone else wants to take your stuff.

Wars will always need to be fought, just like there's always going to be conflict between people. People aren't equal. Some are less capable than others, and they hate the capable.

Even more, combat can be a rush and many people love it. It might be healthy to feel this, more healthy than running away from it for personal convenience.

Every single one of us would be in deep shit if it weren't for our military, law enforcement, even CIA, etc.

I know it sounds good socially to say "war is unnecessary, I'm against war, just give everyone what they want" but that's not reality. It's politeness. Learn the difference or you may end up in a Twilight movie taking a prehensile cock up the ass.

i fucking hate you, you scumbag.

With all due respect to our soldiers of past and now, I just don't think your current situation would best suit the military. There is no greater pride than service to the country, but you honestly have to think about your kid first and foremost. Sounds ghey and lame, but it's part of the responsibility of being a young(er) parent. Been there before, so that's about all I can say.

You're what, 21?

(In response to Hoser, who was quoted by Yeti)
Wait, the men and women who serve America? Or who serve corrupt politicians with hidden agenda's? America and it's original ideals aren't in question, just the men who are currently running the show.

Hahaha...MK has a chance at an education and is a young parent. That's the reason we're suggesting to him not to join the military. My friends joined because they had nowhere else to go. One ended up dead and the rest regretted it. I had to share that.

While I might be called a 'liberal' by Hoser and Conversationist, I have no idea why they think we are "hippy fags who piss on the flag". Both of my grandfathers are distinguished WWII veterans. I have the utmost respect for those who serve, war and a strong military is absolutely necessary, I support more troops in Afghanistan, etc. etc.

Yes, I'm fortunate I don't have to serve, but don't fucking call me the ignorant one, it's never black and white like how you described. Just had to weigh in, no more politics today for me.

weird... hoser calls me an uninformed liar... I'm sorry that I take my information from
1) one of my best friends from childhood that served and came back, but couldn't cut it as a recruiter.
2) the fact that I live next to a recruiter's office and watch them all the time
3) All of the news reports in the jew media about recruiters.

and looking up info on the jew media site
http://www.ngb.army.mil
there are 14,000 Army Nation Guard swapping into Afghanistan this spring and 9,000 ANG troops in iraq. Sorry that I lied and said there were 10K in Iraq.

and one of the bitches about the conflict we are in now is the extended tours of the army national guard.

btw: I have never ever worn even sandals let alone Birkenstocks. I would much rather be barefooted.

darkwor: you hippy faggot. you only want more troops in afghanistan cause NPR said it was ok.

same with me, i come from a military family and also have the utmost respect for those who CHOSE to fight for their country. i personally choose not to, i will fight for my own beliefs, but that in no way shape or form takes me down a notch.

Yes.

EDIT: Double post.

cause it's double true.

DON'T go to a recruiter and expect to hear the truth out of them. After I quit The Summoned, I was very, very close to joining the Marines, so I figured I'd have my friend who's a Marine come with me to meet with my recruiter just to see what's real and what's not. They're so full of shit you can smell it in their breath she said. There's NO guarantee you will get the job you want, you will end up in Iraq sooner or later with a gun in your hand, and it will not be what they told you it is.

I also know one guy that was supposed to be joining the national guard as a telephone worker, thinking he was gonna be the guy up on the telephone polls making repairs and stuff. What they failed to tell him is that he was actually gonna be in the infantry, and by telephone worker they meant the guy who controls the radio. Luckily he was able to get out of that fast.

Plus, reservists don't get shit. Every reservist I know is a completely arrogant, lazy, unmotivated piece of shit that only thinks of themselves, yet still thinks they're the toughest thing ever. I lost a lot of respect for my best friend just because of that.

Consider your options man, and make the right choice. Do what you think is best for the daughter.

Similar thing happened to a kid I know:

Recruiter: HAY MAN I SEE YOU WANT TO WORK WITH COMPUTERS
Kid: Yes, sir I'm really good at programming and shit.
R: OKAY, YOU CAN DO THAT IN THE NATIONAL GUARD! WE GOT PREDATOR DRONES AND SHIT LIKE THAT, IT FUCKING RULES!
K: Awesome! (signs up)
R:LOL,ENJOY 68W FAGGOT!
K:Noooooooooooooo!

blah blah blah blah blah, go burn down planned parenthoods, and hunt from a helicopter, right wing cocksucker.





btw, id fuck the life outta her AND her daughter

Planned Parenthood keeps hipsters from breeding. SUPPORT!

WOW...you won't be fucking the life out of anything because you're so fucking fat, that I doubt very highly that you can find your own dick under that gut of yours; and if you did, you'd have a heart attack from the physical exertion within the first 30 seconds. Also, nice ear plugs. They look like hula hoops, I'm sure your family is real proud of you. I know that I would be. Don't be pissed at the right wing because you turned out a slovenly, fat piece of shit. It not our fault.

Wow, this the guy who called me a right wing cocksucker.

At least he's thinking of his future by being a left winger. No doubt that this load of shit will need social security one day. Fucker won't even be able to drag his fat ass out of bed in the morning.

Have another donut, piggie. Nice ear plugs by the way, your ears will look great when you're 40, if you don't die of a heart attack by then.

Just remember the political spectrum, folks:
the further you go to the right, the closer you get to the left.
The further you go left, the more you are to the right.

Joining at this point in time makes you a shoe in for the Darwin Awards.

2 points there corpus.

Careful hoser, them are fightin' words and a formal invite to his bands next show.

he belongs on this site:
http://www.latfh.com

MK, you'll never be the soldier rich bova was. he's almost done inventing a time machine so he can go back and singlehandedly win vietnam.

hahahaha

Quit the right wing left wing babbling garbage. Both of your parties ghave produced nothing but socialist war-mongering puppets of Israel in the last 20 years.They are one in the fucking same. Arillius nailed it.

I just said that to someone like 10 minutes ago.

I remember learning about the political spectrum on Day 1 of my political science class. Sounds like it doesn't make any sense, but it does.

The whole concept of parties within the govenment (democrats/republicans) is not only destroying our country from within, but making this country beg for another civil war. It's all fucked.

that's just what we need.
< /sarcasm >

honestly all that would do is feed the rich while it buried the poor.

you mean feed the rich bovas?

The poor are already buried -- by their own shitty decisions. Let natural selection work for us.

I think what you meant to say was "Your power hungry sellin’ soldiers in a human grocery store"

Aint that fresh.

Far away from the city
Far away from civilization
A secret farm full of obscure persons
And full of weak cattle exists
Every morning the farmfather
Satisfied himself with the cattle
SODOMIZE THE WEAK creatures
Fatigo - it's an everflowing plague
No escape from the penis of dead
No hope for all the dead chicks
Crucio - the same procedure everyday
The same thing the whole night
Sometimes, when travellers enter the farm
They won't return from those pervert people
Get strangulated by the evil farmers
Get buried somewhere in the desert around

If I go in the National Guard, I'm thinking about Military Police.

not this thread again

You can make deals with the military ya know. I'm only saying this because if you want in, but DON'T want to see combat, you need to get that in writing. I'm just assuming you don't want combat because you have a child, but i could be wrong. I know someone who agreed to serve for 4years in THIS country being a cryptic-translingualist. Basically they(navy) agreed (in a contract) that they would pay for his entire schooling before he goes in (for the job) then serve the 4years, then get out with placement in a job on a military base of his choice with very high salary/benefits/pension. He did extremely well on his ASVABs, but i took them too and thought they were a breeze. So as long as you scored high enough on them, and your REALLY set on going in, you should try negotiating to make it really worth that much of your/your child's life.

I say DO IT.
I really wanted to join up when I was younger but didn't have the balls cause I wanted to be young and stupid and follow my Death Metal dreams. Then again if I didn't have a guitar in my life I probably woulda been in jail or dead from drugs by now.

come on guys, don't shit on the service. we'll see where those beliefs are when they come on our shores.

I was not shitting sir, just saying to get what you deserve if your gonna do it.

to quote a friend, 3 years and all I got was these lousy socks.

to quote another friend, sign me up again to shoot me some sand niggers.

Pretty much fact. Keith Mutiny signed for delayed enlistment to become a special forces medic after he finishes paramedic training and plans to follow up after he gets out, with medical school paid by the goverment to be a neurosurgeon. Sounds like a plan to me from a person I'd consider to be one of the most intelligent people I know.

Yes, my daughter is the reason I want to stay alive.

I talked about schooling and apparently they stopped doing the college-first option so I would probably have to do a tour in the Middle East. I just hope I qualify for a job that would keep me off the front lines.

I am pretty sure you can see if you qualify before you actually enlist.

Well, I know that. I'm taking the ASVAB and seeing how I do before I even make a decision on this. If I get a high enough score, I can probably get any job I want. My friend Taylor is in Communications and is deploying to Kuwait next year. He got like a high 70 on the test. The minimum score you can get is 50.

the recruiter will take one look at you and say "front line infantry". have fun killing muslims, turkmen, and arabs. just think of it as your own inquisition. your crucade.

^like i said, i did real well on it, they offered me great jobs, but i really only took it to get out of classes for a half day. I'm no genus, and that's how it came accross because the test is so easy. You'll be fine.

fight for my right to be gay - you go soldier boy!

I know someone who joined the national guard. It changed him. He came back worshipping god and a fan of country music. I'm not making this up.

And evidently, if also makes you believe that anyone who disagrees with you is a 'hippy fag'.