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returntothepit >> discuss >> help me pick a hard drive by niccolai on Apr 21,2009 10:02pm
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toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Apr 21,2009 10:02pm
I was looking at these two:

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/product...03~0~415574&prods=A1622011,A1628036


and not for any real reason. in fact, I can't tell the two of them apart.



I know nothing about hard drives.


I need something with at least 160 gigs just for a storage drive to keep all my music on.

I don't want to spend more then 50 bucks.

I don't need crazy performance, but I'd like it to not blow up on me.


suggestions? (and it's gotta be from dell's website. I'm broke so i'm using my dell credit thingy)





toggletoggle post by moenli at Apr 21,2009 10:16pm
i'm actually on the market for one myself



toggletoggle post by Murph  at Apr 21,2009 10:26pm


Looks like it has enough partitions.



toggletoggle post by xmikex at Apr 21,2009 10:29pm
If you didn't know what MTBF meant....

Mean Time Between Failures (MTBF)

MTBF is a basic measure of reliability for repairable items. It can be described as the number of hours that pass before a component, assembly, or system fails. It is a commonly-used variable in reliability and maintainability analyses.

MTBF can be calculated as the inverse of the failure rate for constant failure rate systems. For example: If a component has a failure rate of 2 failures per million hours, the MTBF would be the inverse of that failure rate.

MTBF = (1,000,000 hours) / (2 failures) = 500,000 hours


Now somebody explain that to me.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 21,2009 11:00pm
I can't click on that but I just saw 500gb



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 21,2009 11:15pm
for 50bucks



toggletoggle post by dertoxia   at Apr 21,2009 11:18pm
xmikex said[orig][quote]
If you didn't know what MTBF meant....

Mean Time Between Failures (MTBF)

MTBF is a basic measure of reliability for repairable items. It can be described as the number of hours that pass before a component, assembly, or system fails. It is a commonly-used variable in reliability and maintainability analyses.

MTBF can be calculated as the inverse of the failure rate for constant failure rate systems. For example: If a component has a failure rate of 2 failures per million hours, the MTBF would be the inverse of that failure rate.

MTBF = (1,000,000 hours) / (2 failures) = 500,000 hours


Now somebody explain that to me.


I always thought it was called mean time BEFORE failure....not between. I don't think theres really a standard system to come up with the MTBF so the manufacturers have some leeway as to how they come up with the number. Last i checked the MTBF for most hard drives was about 4 years. So if you leave your computer on all the time and it's more than 4 year old, you're running on borrowed time. You best be backing up and be prepared for failure.

Bottom line is ALL hard drives fail. Could be after 30 seconds of use, could be 30 years.....but ALL drives will fail at some point.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 21,2009 11:23pm
im living proof... I've had so many drives fail. that's why I have my second RAID box coming in tomorrow. up to 12tb right now.



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Apr 21,2009 11:29pm
I've never turned a computer I own off, but I haven't had any failure yet.

maybe I'm just lucky?

My last non-dell computer was an HP pavilion that I left on for litterally 7 years straight. The only time it was ever off is when the power went out in a storm.

it had a 30gb HD that was about 99% full from day one.



toggletoggle post by dertoxia   at Apr 21,2009 11:30pm
I usually don't feel bad for customers who come into my work with stupid problems but i felt sorry for this dude tonight. He bought a 500GB Seagate external drive a while back. Copied all his data to it. Formatted and restored his laptop. He then hooked the external drive back up to it and.......nothing. Thing's dead as a doornail. It couldn't have had more than 1 hour of use on it. I even hooked it up and scanned it with this recovery software we have and it came back as a physical failure.

I told the guy to contact seagate. they'll replace the drive but he's shit out of luck as far as his data.



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Apr 22,2009 12:41am



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 22,2009 2:27am
I have 6 of those... they are the best $ to gb, but they are universally untrusted. that's why the WD's are $159 and the seagates are $119 (that and the wd's are 500GB per platter).

I just checked out the 500GB that I RMA's and it's a 750. gay.
To put in my RAID I so far only have
1x1.5TB
3x500GB
2x750GB

lame.



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Apr 22,2009 9:21am
if u dont have raid i think a small hd for the system and a huge one for storage is the way to go
meh@ software raid



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Apr 22,2009 9:23am
actually one of my current hds just started making a clucking sound now and then I should probably get rid of it just in case



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Apr 22,2009 10:44am
someone send me a link to a damn HDD I should buy.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 22,2009 11:04am
I'm not reading this thread so internal or external?



toggletoggle post by pam   at Apr 22,2009 11:32am
I bought a little 250g passport that has been great, and we bought a 500g Iomega or something that corrupted immediately and lost all our music.

I know dick about this stuff but I can tell you you may want to avoid the Iomega.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 22,2009 11:34am
pam, you are a photographer, when ever you buy one drive for storage, buy 2.
you always need your photos in 2 places of you will lose them eventually.



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Apr 22,2009 12:21pm edited Apr 22,2009 12:22pm
the_reverend said[orig][quote]
I'm not reading this thread so internal or external?


internal. 160 gigs ish



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Apr 22,2009 12:27pm



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Apr 22,2009 12:28pm
49.99 free shipping 320 gig sata



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Apr 22,2009 12:30pm
yea the rev is correct most of my shit is expendable photos would blow to loose in large quantities



toggletoggle post by pam   at Apr 22,2009 12:32pm edited Apr 22,2009 12:33pm
the_reverend said[orig][quote]
pam, you are a photographer, when ever you buy one drive for storage, buy 2.
you always need your photos in 2 places of you will lose them eventually.


I burn them to disc, have them on my back up drive AND I pay 5 bucks a month to store them on an online back up thing.

3 places or they don't exist.

It was the music from Jon's computer that we lost, not my photos.



toggletoggle post by grizloch‘slaptop at Apr 22,2009 12:32pm
my seagate external just died, Im pissed, luckily all of my video is backed up on my desktop and my music is backed up on another external, all the other odds and ends just got raped as they were only backed up on my no defunct lapper crapper

so yeah, seagate, oof



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 22,2009 2:09pm
"3 places or they don't exist. "

whoah... pam schooled me... I agree with you and have my photos in 3 places plus a year queue on a 4th. I want 100GB bluray discs so I can burn 2-3 months.



toggletoggle post by pam   at Apr 22,2009 6:55pm
the_reverend said[orig][quote]
"3 places or they don't exist. "

whoah... pam schooled me... I agree with you and have my photos in 3 places plus a year queue on a 4th. I want 100GB bluray discs so I can burn 2-3 months.


I learned the hard way losing a client shoot. Gone. Poof! Don't even know what happened to them.

o_O 100GB discs? WANT.



toggletoggle post by dertoxia   at Apr 22,2009 8:23pm
grizloch‘slaptop said[orig][quote]
my seagate external just died, Im pissed, luckily all of my video is backed up on my desktop and my music is backed up on another external, all the other odds and ends just got raped as they were only backed up on my no defunct lapper crapper

so yeah, seagate, oof


dont do anything rash like chuck em out. keep in mind that im a mondo techno nerdo. i could bring your shiznit into work with me an see if i can recover anything.



toggletoggle post by grizloch‘slaptop at Apr 22,2009 9:59pm
yeah, I'm not doing anything until I get a free second to see what kind of warranty it comes with, unfortunately I'm busy out the ass until after tour, which, knowing my luck will be JUST past my warranty's expiration...



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 22,2009 10:01pm
there are 50GB DL bluray d's now... I want more!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 22,2009 10:02pm
plus a they are $21 for 2 50GB DL discs.



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