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returntothepit >> discuss >> The future of fucking metal by Conservationist on Mar 4,2009 5:00pm
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toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Mar 4,2009 5:00pm
This is the kind of future of metal I can really dig -- guitar-intensive songs using the classical style of narrative composition, but with the pure balls of metal:

* Metallica - Orion
* Burzum - My Journey to the Stars
* Metallica - Call of Ktulu
* Asphyx - Depths of Eternity
* Dismember - Override of the Overtures
* Atheist - An Incarnation's Dream
* Therion - The Way
* Hellhammer - Triumph of Death
* Enslaved - Norvegr
* Rigor Mortis - Six Feet Under

http://www.anus.com/metal/about/metal/assimilation/

I wish more bands made material like this.



toggletoggle post by narkybark   at Mar 4,2009 5:06pm
Isn't this more the past of fucking metal?



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Mar 4,2009 5:10pm
I just want to hear more about this "fucking" you speak of. (Orion is probably the single most perfect song ever written, performed, or heard by humans, ever, BTW.)



toggletoggle post by goatcatalyst   at Mar 4,2009 5:14pm
Shemhemforash, nigger!



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Mar 4,2009 5:17pm
Meshuggah or GTFO



toggletoggle post by Bob Barker at Mar 4,2009 5:25pm
he must have meant the past of metals



toggletoggle post by reimroc at Mar 4,2009 6:23pm
Atheist - An Incarnation's Dream






























































gives me boners























































































all the time



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Mar 5,2009 7:24am
Conservationist said[orig][quote]
* Burzum - My Journey to the Stars


this is one of the greatest songs ever recorded. there aren't many songs that make me want to snap my neck as hard as this one.



toggletoggle post by Beorht-Dana  at Mar 5,2009 10:51am
Conservationist said[orig][quote]

* Enslaved - Norvegr


A great song, but they've produced a lot of music that is a lot better than this since then.



toggletoggle post by darkwor  at Mar 5,2009 10:53am
i've been listening to vertebre like it's my job lately



toggletoggle post by sever at Mar 5,2009 11:29am
FuckIsMySignature said[orig][quote]
Meshuggah or GTFO


QFT. Western music has been explored melodically to every end. Rhythm and metrics are the new territories to explore. The "future" of music exists where we chose to innovate - not where we draw on classical influences.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Mar 5,2009 12:05pm
sever said[orig][quote]
Western music has been explored melodically to every end.


I think that the type of thinking you propose is backward.

Music is not discoveries of certain musical properties.

That's like saying that language is discovering a unique way to use a verb.

Music is a language, used to express ideas, like a kind of poetry. There are more melodies to be written, and they should use technique as appropriate for that expression, not the other way around.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Mar 5,2009 12:05pm
I agree with the classical style of narrative composition comment. Moar please.



toggletoggle post by Martins   at Mar 5,2009 12:08pm
Conservationist said[orig][quote]
sever said[orig][quote]
Western music has been explored melodically to every end.


I think that the type of thinking you propose is backward.

Music is not discoveries of certain musical properties.

That's like saying that language is discovering a unique way to use a verb.

Music is a language, used to express ideas, like a kind of poetry. There are more melodies to be written, and they should use technique as appropriate for that expression, not the other way around.


Quoted for truth and beauty. <3



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Mar 5,2009 12:10pm
Moar bands need to emphasize emotion in their composition as well. I view/hear music as colors and emotions, and sometimes I don't get anything but grey and emotionless shit. Hearing music as color ftw.



toggletoggle post by sacreligion at Mar 5,2009 12:12pm
I heard a rumor that Limp Bizkit is getting back together. Future of metal right there.



toggletoggle post by goatcatalyst   at Mar 5,2009 12:21pm
I'd quote what Aril said but I'm on RTTP text and, well... I can't.

Colors. FTW indeed. And not just black. Textures, too. Scott Walker's "The Drift" should be mandatory listening. But alas, my despotic kingdom is yet to arise.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Mar 5,2009 12:27pm
goatcatalyst said[orig][quote]
I'd quote what Aril said but I'm on RTTP text and, well... I can't.

Colors. FTW indeed. And not just black. Textures, too. Scott Walker's "The Drift" should be mandatory listening. But alas, my despotic kingdom is yet to arise.


I'm doing what you can't because I fellate wevwund.


I can't believe someone just mentioned that Scott Walker album on here. That guy is amazing. I can't tell if he's mocking everyone who might listen or not. But either way he's a genius.



toggletoggle post by goatcatalyst   at Mar 5,2009 12:33pm
Scott Walker is like a secret handshake.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Mar 5,2009 12:44pm
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
I view/hear music as colors and emotions, and sometimes I don't get anything but grey and emotionless shit. Hearing music as color ftw.


i 10000000% agree. that's why i love music while tripping, you can see the sound. the artist Kristian Wåhlin is really good at capturing an audio emotion through painting. the In the Nightside Eclipse and Storm of the Light's Bane album covers depict the music so well.



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Mar 5,2009 12:55pm
Classical, backed, etc. Meshuggah is interesting as a math problem, but I don't get a charge from it. "Cold and emotionless" is a totally valid style of expression, they just haven't managed to pull it off, per se.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Mar 5,2009 12:58pm
i fucking love Meshuggah, but they are one of those bands that has fans who think they somehow understand music better than anyone else because they like them. i just love listening to them and hearing the rhythms.



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Mar 5,2009 1:15pm
I'd probably get a stiffy from it if I was a drummer.



toggletoggle post by reimroc at Mar 5,2009 1:16pm
DestroyYouAlot said[orig][quote]
I'd probably get a stiffy from it if I was a drummer.


gives me a stiffy



toggletoggle post by sever at Mar 5,2009 1:25pm
I never claimed to understand anything better than anyone else.

Music is a language only on the surface. One does not learn to "speak" music casually to communicate ideas. Music is an artform that extends beyond the boundaries language, just as poetry does. It's not so much that one is trying to find new and unique ways of creating music, but rather trying to find more efficient and effective ways of communicating musically. The future of an art is in its ability to adapt to an ever-changing social climate to suit the needs and expressions of the artists.

All I'm saying is that, in my opinion, focusing simply on classical western music theory as inspiration for the "future" of metal will yield limited, boring, results. The same techniques and theories can only be used so many times before its application to a specific idea is worn out. What Meshuggah is doing is something fresh, that few other bands have bothered to try. Why not use the distorted, twangy properties of heavy metal guitars to suit a rhythmic purpose? When everyone else focuses on melodic progressions, why not focus more on rhythmic progression as a means of propelling a song forward?



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Mar 5,2009 1:28pm
sever said[orig][quote]
I never claimed to understand anything better than anyone else.


that wasn't directed at you, i was just stating it. not everyone is like that, kind of like Tool fans.



toggletoggle post by sever at Mar 5,2009 1:30pm
yeah, I hear you.



toggletoggle post by sacreligion at Mar 5,2009 1:31pm
Oh but I woo...



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Mar 5,2009 3:28pm
For exploring rhythmic weirdness, I'd take Botch or even old Dillinger over 'Shuggah, any day.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Mar 5,2009 3:35pm
i shudder at the thought of Dillinger.



toggletoggle post by reimroc at Mar 5,2009 3:36pm edited Mar 5,2009 3:36pm
Yeti said[orig][quote]
i shudder at the thought of Dillinger.


Who wouldn't? Hes a wanted criminal.





toggletoggle post by Yeti at Mar 5,2009 3:38pm
i guess the Dillinger Escape Plan didn't work out so well.



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Mar 5,2009 3:41pm
If you'd read the Illuminatus trilogy you wouldn't fnord think so.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Mar 6,2009 7:25am
DestroyYouAlot said[orig][quote]
you wouldn't fnord think so.


i cannot figure out what this was supposed to say.



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Mar 6,2009 9:16am
O RLY?



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