specifically 4-acetoxy-det. I luv this compound, my favorite of them all, i've bought 2 seperate grams of it over the last 4ish years, and i can't find a supplier anymore. Anyone know a site?

sounds like it would do a number on those stuck on stains. make your whites white and such.

it sure does. It effects stains of every size, shape, and color. It doesn't remove the stains, mind you. It only transfigures them into something of your imagination mixed the energy of your soul.

mixed *with*

soul, what's that

I can only get down with naturally occurring psychedelic's now. Nonetheless, Hofmann and Shulgin, respect.

shulgin's my hero. I have a pic of the lab on my home desktop.

ahh yes, had me many a fine time on some of these, (and many a slightly scary but equally rewarding time as well) im pretty sure the DEA shut down the suppliers a while back but if you can find any lemme know

they tried, but they technically can't shut them all down unless said company is busted for selling the compounds for the purpose of ingestion. There are definately still supliers out there, just gotta look hard enough. I've found em for 2ce, 2ci, and 2ce2, just not acetacybin yet.

nada?

what the fuck are you guys talking about?

nevermind, i googled. So it's trip inducing stuff, how does it compare to shrooms?

4-acetoxy-det is usaully called acetocybin due to the similarities it has to psilicybin(shrooms) but it has a much more pronounced euphoria due to the fact that it's a tryptamine.

The effects are subjective.

well, that depends on the compound. There is no way you would take 4-acetoxy-det and say that it's subjective.

When comparing a synthetic to an organic psychedelic? Common motif's and sensations can be collectively agreed upon, but the overall experiences are unique to the individual itself. For example, people try and compare LSD to mushrooms and from my experience, both differ in significant ways. Not to mention, it's hard for the human mind to rationally describe the irrational.

right, so you were just saying that the effects of all psychoactives are subjective... which i can't really argue with, i thought you were saying that it was debatable whether research chems have psychedelic effects.

Haha, yeah, we just weren't on the same page there. I don't take synthetics but I've read Shulgin's work, and the psychedelic properties aren't in question; just how the individual reacts and experiences them.

the whole chemical thing doesn't appeal to me. i'm only interested in organics. i loooove mushrooms.

I like to let soap chips dissolve under my tongue. Then I ground up redwood bark and snort it.

^^^and he does this even though i continually tell him all the negative side effects it can produce.