http://www.corrupt.org/news/genocide

At least, that's how most people act.

Agreed.

holy shit

i couldn't agree with that more. even a short 5 years ago i had a surprising amount of optimism for change, but i don't believe in a 1/10th of that anymore. we need a catastrophic event to restabilize things on Earth.

wow, this article is terribly disturbing.

Drill baby, drill!!!!!!!

for once, I agree with you.

yes, we do.

but assuming nothing does happen, it's hard to fathom, but it's generally accepted that the population will plateau at around 10 billion at the end of the century (http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/007830.html ) where today the world median age is 26 and by then it will be 44.

that article above presents 3 main challenges, for humanity to deal with the population rise and fall:

1) The meeting of the immediate crisis. Before global population peaks, we need to have one-planet models of prosperity, and we need to make sure people embrace them (and have the opportunity to embrace them), so that we head off the disaster-spirals that await us if we continue to overshoot the Earth's biological capacity. The meeting of this crisis allows us to imagine stability returning in the 22nd century, and is vital.

2) The preservation of long-term legacies: the maximum possible number of species, the most stable climate possible and as many of the great human legacies -- from languages to learnings, seeds to world heritage sites -- as we can. The preservation of these legacies expands choice for future generation, and is vital.

3) The design of answers to 1) and 2) that themselves think ahead. We will be designing, for instance, cities to house billions more people over the next 50 years... but then most of those cities will become shrinking cities, home to far fewer people in the next century: can we design cities that can shrink gracefully?

nature endures, no matter what. it frustrates me to no end that i can't do a damn thing (directly) about the deforestation of the amazon or the homogenization of animals native to this continent, but well after the population plateau, nature will always outsmart and adapt to our actions. humanity has already fucked up this first run at industrialization. maybe next time, we'll go with nature instead of against it.

good article, conservationist.

did you see that show "Life After People"? it was a great commentary on the resiliency of nature. look at Chernobyl. when that first happened there were theories it couldn't sustain life for hundreds of years, and here it is only 22 years later and nature is thriving beautifully. there has to be a massive population wipeout before things can change. there is no way to continue at the rate we are spawning AND find a stable way to co-exist on this planet. unless they start building floating cities, which i wouldn't be surprised about. i mean HUGE ones in the Pacific and shit.

there are a few solutions to the over population of the world:
1) catastrophic event that would bottleneck civilization. i'm talking wiping out millions or billions of people.
2)more funding for technology regarding bio dome technologies. most of the world consists of water. if we could figure out the best way to colonize the oceans, we should. but, we're paying more attention to..
3) space colonization. we need our species to expand and colonize if we want to last. mr. hawking himself keeps saying it's the only way to prolong our species. we need more funding in space technology research so we can benefit the future of our race.

That's why I can't stand all these fucking immature wars that are based off of religious differences or things that have little-to-no relevance to the future of humans. we need to move the fuck on and think about our species as a whole.

do you mean like colonizing the next planet? or building gigantic cities in space?

anything which can hold large amounts of people.
it would be cool if we could terraform mars in 10 years but that's not possible by anymeans.
terraforming is possible though...

oh man, the earth can't sustain all of us anymore. better infect the other planets.

it's going to sound retarded... but this is one of the reasons why i'm hoping sometime soon in the near future we have actual proof that aliens exist. I think it'd be a huge wakeup call

i haven't seen it yet but i heard about it, i'll be sure to check it out. or we could just build islands like dubai does. all oil money, but that's ok, right? i think the planet is very near to it's sustainability limit, but as humans, we only have ourselves to blame for the population plateau; as soon as technology advanced to the point where a human never has to go outside to live or provide for others, as soon as we seperated ourselves from nature, natural selection and all else went out the window and now we're at our current and future dilemma.

i see huge biodomes on the ocean before i see huge biodomes on mars. terraforming is not impossible and neither is deep-space exploration. all this requires an obscene amount of money that most of the world's powers would have to make a huge contribution to. that, or the easy solution of war and genocide.

despoilment of the environment and unchecked population growth (especially among the dullards of our species) are absolutely the most presseing problems facing the human race.
...thats why im voting obama; more abortions, and tighter environmental regulations, yay!

extra-terrestrial life has to exist in some form or another. there's millions of planets in the milky way alone. i refuse to believe that earth is the only planet capable of sustaining living organisms.

sidenote aril, us being videogame nerds, have you played mass effect? it deals with many issues talked about here

honestly, besides pauley shore, who the hell would want to live in a biodome though?
again, if any chronotrigger fan is reading this, that's one of the things I enjoyed about the game. in the post-catastrophic future, there were seperate domes with different populations in them.
or for any Fallout fans...

yes, I have. i didn't get too deep into it, although I very much want to.

Also, I know this sounds a bit like sci-fi, but it would be awesome if we could build underground cities too. we live on a sphere, a 3 dimensional object. instead of living on the earth's crust, why don't we try to live a little bit IN the crust? although humans need natural sunlight and i'm sure all underground humans would be very depressed, that'd be pretty sweet. if our gov't is capable of building ungerground bases that can hold hundreds to thousands of people, I'm sure with proper funding and research and labor, we could build a city in earth's crust. but there's no point to it at this moment in time.

read the descent by jeff long

deals with the colonization of inner earth.

it's mostly a horror story about another hominid species who lives in the earth and how they once fell from grace when they lived on the surface


but the problems you'd face underground are earthquakes, cave ins, and all kinds of chemical radiation and poisonous gases.

http://www.penttilinkola.com/

One of the few realists on this issue.

hahah I wrote a high school research paper on that guy in spanish.

is that related to that cave movie?