"Real-life situations have forced me to resign as a member of HATE ETERNAL. I can on longer afford the expenses of touring. I have put MUCH thought into this for the last several years and kept coming to this conclusion. I must be able to afford the quality of life that I enjoy, and thus far... touring in extreme bands has not allowed me to do anything other than go into a financial hole. Every tour has put me in finanancial burden. Now, I'm not complaining (because I never expected to 'make it' playing metal), but I cannot continue to pay to do it either!!! Too expensive. Besides, I value the scene and would rather GIVE my music away than be insulted at the end of the year with a $600.00 royalty check!!!! This in NO WAY means I won't be recording and releasing extreme music. In fact, you will hear more from me (as I now have the freedom to do what I want when I want.)

"I wish HATE ETERNAL the best of luck."

HOLY CRAP!!!

that sucks for Hate Eternal... man, I wish both of them the best of luck. I know how he feels about the money thing too

To me this is just another reminder that the music buisiness blows. If someone as hardworking as Derek Roddy can't make somewhat of a living from playing death metal, it just goes to show you how gay everything really is.

RustedAngel said:


qft

i_am_not_me said:

brb, lol, rofl, lmao

any word on his new projects to come?

hmm...he should consider metalcore.

YES, man I am SO in there!

cdan nli said:



Uh huh.Metalcore is where the money is.I cant see how any Death Metal band can survive financially

There are probably about 50-100 metal bands (of any style) in the world who can make a decent living off their music, and that includes those with 20+ year careers. Compare that to the 500,000 or so metal bands active (which is part of the problem). For most, it's a labor of love and hate.

Looking forward to some free music from Roddy.

derek always has like 32092834 projects.

I'm sure there are many drummers lined up to take his spot.

the_reverend said:

but he doesn't really make them known to the public.

yeah, but he does some sick shit.

Damn a royalty check of 600.00 a year; that's fucking low. He should just start his own record label, put out the Hate Eternal cd's himself and make more money. Then the rest of his money can come from merchandise sales and playing paid gigs. And if he wants to make even more money he could always teach drums and maybe produce cd's or something.

RustedAngel said:

this is shitty news. I saw it on the SMN forums.

I heard he has a project going with Ron Jarzombek and Alex Webster. I'm psyched for that.

Anthony nli said:

wow that must be amazing, i hope something comes of that

Only good thing about Hate Eternal left? Sucks for them!

I agree with Tom, too. If Derek Roddy can't make a living, there's no justice in this industry.

I'm actually kinda glad hes leaving the band, i was so fuckin disappointed with the new cd, still just nothing but the same blast beats and fast double bass over and over, and hes such an incredible drummer. So i kinda would figure hed wanna branch off and do more than just the same repetitive death metal drumming over and over. There are plenty of guys out there that can do what he was doing in Hate eternal so it shouldnt be that hard getting somebody else.

Aegathis nli said:

I've got some clips of him recording 2 songs for that album, and his drumming is insane. Beyond all reason insane. Problem is, that type of music has never been great for drumming. Intricate shit gets buried on the record, believe me, I listened to Behold Judas and then watched him record it, then listened to it again, and everything is lost in production. It's sad because he's one of the greatest metal drummers of all time, hands down. I'm definitely interested in checking out his project with Webster. Should be insane. Wish him lots of luck, but even more to Hate Eternal, and still more to his replacement (you're going to need it!)

Wow I was'nt exspecting this.
In this case, I would like to see Tim Yeung rejoin

Yeah, unless you are Cannibal Corpse, Deicide, or Morbid Angel

chances are your a poor bastard

Why are you guys so surprised that he can't make a living off playing death metal? Its fucking death metal, not pop music.
You aren't supposed to be able to make a living off of it.

Josh_Martin said:

Because he's a bazillion times more talented than you, and he should be making some decent money for his hard work.

Anthony nli said:


Yeah that should be really cool....chris adler was supposed to be playing drums originally but backed out due to lamb of god touring/writing and recording a new cd

you'd be surprised who still has day jobs...bands that are "big" still working in warehouses and such

me, I play the music (debatable) because I enjoy it. Some people work to support expensive hobbies, after all--sailing, football games, hookers, etc.

but the problem, particularly in America, is that extreme music ain't popular in the way that say, U2 REM or Dick-in-Mouth Polesmoker Pop Band #666 are popular. No biggie, fact of life.

the audience doesn't owe me shit except maybe a half hour of their time for HEKSERI, heh.

I hope Rutan finds someone comparable!

RustedAngel said:

It must piss you off that I get more royalty money from Earache than he does, or you ever will.

i like hate eternal and all but i always thought roddy was too good for that band. hopefully he joins up with a band that can utilize his talents a little bit better. that's what i think. fuck you. fuck you very much.

I've heard that Earache is having financial problems.

Also, Josh if you're getting more royalties than Derek Roddy it just goes to show how fucked up the music biz is. No one even knows who you are. It's not like people are like "Man remember that guitarist Josh Martin, he was such a sick player man!" it's more like "hey guyz remember anal cunt, man they were hillarious, I write their name on my skool notebook, that song 311 sucks is so funny LOL OMG ROFL"

Yeah and everyone knows who Derek Roddy is. I don't think I've ever heard his name before this thread was created.

litacore said:

Or anywhere, for that matter. Europe has a much bigger draw for fests and they have more big metal tours in general, but the music can only occasional chart and is destroyed by the more accessible genres (rock and pop in England, dance and pop in Germany, and so forth).

It's basically Ozzfest and Sounds of the Underground, huge installed fanbase from the 80s (Slayer, Maiden, etc), or you just play metal because you love to. Other bands might get a good tour occasionally (Satyricon, Emperor, etc) but they haven't quit their day jobs (or producing other peoples' records, etc).

Joe/NotCommon said:

Then why are you posting in this thread? Oh, sticking up for your buddy Josh, right.

RustedAngel said:

So you're saying people remember Anal Cunt because we were funny? Wow, what a revelation. We wrote songs that made us laugh and, holy shit, that's what we're remembered for.
I guess laughter sells more albums than boring death metal like Hate Eternal.

Tom, you are stupid. I don't know why you even brought up a band I haven't played for in almost 5 years. I wish I could remember which of the insults I threw at you that made you so bitter and pissed off at me. It must've been a doozie. All I was saying is that death metal is not a good way to earn a living, nor should it be.

People who think proficiency at an instrument should equal success are annoying and wrong.

RustedAngel said:

Originally I came in to let everyone know hate eternal is terrible, but then I decided to make fun of how you think Derek Roddy is famous because your friends all know him.

I love it when people who try hard and put a lot of effort into their music get pissed that people like me, who are just having fun, go farther than they ever will.

Joe/NotCommon said:

Yeah, nothing against Roddy but Tommy Boy is acting like he's Keith Moon or John Bonham.

YO ERIK RUTAN, GET TIM YEUNG IN THERE, GET DOUG CERRITO IN THERE, AND MAKE US ANOTHER CONQUERING THE THRONE!!!

Josh_Martin said:

Yeah, that's all I was pointing out. That it's sad that a hard working keyword 'MUSICIAN' regardless of what music style he plays isn't getting as much royalties as a stoner from a joke band.

Josh_Martin said:

You're the one that brought up the royalties thing. Obviously it's coming from AC. I'm not pissed off at all, I just think you're lame.


Josh_Martin said:

waaaaa! shut up and go practice.

Joe/NotCommon said:

Yeah yeah Joe. Let's see, 90% of the people that have posted in this thread know who Derek Roddy is. He's not 'FAMOUS' but he is a fairly well known drummer.

Instead of freaking out over this royalty check thing, have you guys ever thought that Roddy's annual take was so low because Erik Rutan has the songwriting credits? (I'm not 100% sure of this, but Rutan definitely seems to be the core of that band.)

Just because someone plays on a record doesn't mean they get an equal cut of the royalties.

And while I very much agree that Roddy is an amazing musician, I am with Josh about the fact that skill does not entitle someone to money. I mean it sucks that talentless metalcore hacks make a killing while Roddy gets a pittance, but any Death Metal musician should know from the start that actually making decent money off his music requires more than just skill, but also luck, business sense and the ability to write good songs.

Anthony nli said:


I agree with you Anthony, You're probably right about Rutan getting more money.

Now if Josh had come into this thread saying what you did rather than basically saying that key musicians in death metal DON'T deserve to make a good living is lame. Yeah, everyone knows it's not a good way to make a living and that it's difficult, no shit. That doesn't make it right.

You're almost saying people playing pop music actually deserve to be making millions of dollars.

RustedAngel said:

yeah I agree that it majorly sucks for Roddy and is unfair. I think it has always pretty much been this way: artistic talent is overlooked for mediocre schlock that can sell popularly.

Anthony nli said:

"yeah, but it's just boring death metal it's always been that way and ALWAYS SHOULD BE a money pit." - Josh Martin

RustedAngel said:

You completely misunderstood what I was saying. No need to get all defensive about your death metal hero. I wasn't saying anything bad about him at all.

You hate me so much that you lose your reading comprehension. That rules.

RustedAngel said:

Ok, Tom is so unbelievably stupid I guess I'm going to have to explain what I thought was obvious.

If you can make a living off playing death metal, good for you. A handful of bands have pulled it off.
The problem is that when you become dependant on it to survive, you automatically become corrupted.
A guy in a band who also has a day job can do whatever the fuck he wants to because it doesn't matter if he makes any money. He has total artistic freedom. Once the music becomes your bread and butter, you are forced to change it in order to keep the money rolling in.

That wasn't a complete explanation but I'm not writing a thesis here. If Tom Tom can't figure it out now, maybe Anthony can help him out.

I also love how Tom can talk shit about my old band but I can't say anything about his, because I've never heard it, I've never heard anyone talk about it at all, and I most likely never will.

Also, it was a good point about Rutan writing all the songs, I didn't think of that. I co-wrote about 95% of the songs we recorded when I was in AC.

We're talking about this guy, right?

Josh_Martin said:

Josh_Martin said:

I love how you say I talk shit about your old band when you're the one who brings that band into any argument trying to make yourself look better. I would think you'd be able to figure out by now that it doesn't impress me.

ra nli said:

He's not trying to impress anyone; he's just playing with you.

Why do you start with Josh every chance you get? Stop being a bitch whenever he enters a thread, you're the one that tried to piss him off when he told posted his opinion. It's not even like his opinion was bullshit. You were just trying to be a dick, and now you're making your self look stupid.

BornSoVile said:

That would be the best thing to ever happen to that band

eddie said:

So why can't I play back?

The rest of your post isn't worth a response.

the rest of my post was Rhetorical.

Anthony nli said:

Who cares about the royalties? Him & Rutan own a recording studio together, they're biz partners. I'm sure they sunk alot of $$ into it & it's probably the biggest reason for his debt. Yes he's an amazing drummer, and has many endorsements, but he still pays for his equipment. It costs a lot of money to put new heads on those drums & he probably shreds 2 or 3 pairs of sticks a day. It's expensive for him to go on the road.

Other statements from Derek:

"Well the first thing I need to be active with is....... paying off the $20,000 debt that I put myself in by touring...............AGAIN.
I will be focusing on the clinics and website for quite a while!!!

I've got the Blotted Science project with Ron and Alex, that's coming along really good, so You will hear alot more music from me this way."

"Well, I wouldn't say that HE made any financial burden that I didn't bring on myself for doing this so long. I have high monthly bills personally.
We DID have the opportunity to "make money" but, call it "bad luck" or "karma" or whatever! I still haven't made enough to cover my monthly bills. THAT'S how I got in debt.
It had nothing to do with HE and the idea behing it....I just can't afford to do it anymore. I don't want to hold Eric and Randy back from doing HE if they want, So I felt it was best if I left.


I had a medical "scare" this last month and it really put things into perspective.
I realized I didn't have any health insurance!!!!I can't afford it!!!!
It forced me to make a life change. What can I say?
I can't afford to make bad decisions about my life anymore."

I think TIM YEUNG SHOULD BE THE BEST DRUMMER FOR HATE ETERNAL. Tim recorded the best stuff for them. Derek is very good but i think Yeung is better. Hate Eternal needs to have Tim Yeung.

Guys, it does not matter who is who. I am Julian, for example, but none of you will remember it ever. I play in two bands, both from Bulgaria - black and Death MEtal. I love death metal! I love Derek\

Derek's style I meant ... this is fokin short answer ;)

I don't follow that... link your bands please.