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:	post by ArrowHeadNLI at 2011-03-20 12:30:21

I agree.

However, as devils advocate, paying a guarantee on a metal show can HURT, because in a suburb like this you really have no idea what to expect for draw, even with well known bands. I remember booking Slapshot at corner's nightclub in Carver in the early 90's, I think all of 50 kids showed up. That weekend, I watched them completely pack a club in Boston. (the channel).

It's too easy to promise a band $100, then find out at the end of the night you owe $500, and only pulled in $200 on the door.

This show is a good example. No matter how you slice it, I'm positive there could not have been more than 50 people through those doors at this show. No matter who came to see who, that's still only $250 to split between FIVE bands. Ouch.

So counting heads at the door sucks, we agree. And promising guarantees sucks for the promoter, I think we can agree. So what do people in BANDS feel is the fairest method?

Personally, a billion years ago when I booked shows, it was like this:

book 4 bands. MAX. First band gets 20-30 minutes, and exposure. ZERO money. However, no obligation to draw, sell tickets, etc... - every band needs a place to start out and get a following.

Second band gets 30-45 minutes, and also plays free, or for some token amount - like 5% of door. (which, in the above case, is a whopping $13).

Third band gets 45-hour, paid like $75 (on a show like this one)

Fourth band (headliner) gets paid like $150, and gets an hour or more if there's time.

Now this way, even on a SHIT drawing show like the above, that $250 is enough to pay your bands and still have a few bucks left for soundguy, etc. (but not much - show is still a finacial failure)

Now, to get incentive to bring in people, instead of counting heads at the door or asking bands to sell tickets, you add in for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th bands an incentive - a percentage of door money. So for example, offer the headliner $150 + 10% of door. So on a $5 show, if you can draw in 50 friends/fans/etc... you get another $25. But now if all the bands combined bring in that many, you're looking at an extra $100. Same thing for the other two bands, but you offer a lesser percentage, i.e. 5%

Let me know what you guys think.

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