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:	post by XmikeX at 2004-03-29 10:47:28

tough guy hardcore = bulldoze, skarhead, merauder, out to win, fury of five etc. Not to be confused with Throwdown, 18 Visions and everything dumb that was ever based off of that. Tough guy hardcore was about guys who could actually put people in the hospital making music.

Not to be confused with the present day version of kids even smaller than me running around in girls pants, and army hats trying to act hard and write riffs that Earth Crisis did 10 years ago.

Emo = Just dumb. Emo, realistically, has nothing to do with hardcore. In the very late 90's and early 2000's this whole idea that hardcore should be tough by sensitive came out through metalcore. Bands started putting melodic parts, and clean parts, and clean vocals into songs to make them appear more diverse (and to impress girls). Bands like Poison the Well made "emocore" a reality and at the time everyone loved it. The reprecussions of it however, were that hardcore was doomed to be stuck with this association to emo. Everyone thought that they had some sort of obligation to listen to a certain quota of emo. As a result, emo kids began to think that they had some sort of right to hardcore. Then they got beat up alot at shows and complained about it on places like lambgoat, returntothepit, and the automata message board.

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