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:	post by Murph nli at 2008-06-25 12:18:12

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here's a short, 2nd grade version of the answer:
history is knowledge of what we know, given the amount of attainable information we receive. we study it, analyze it, and piece it together.
given the advancement in the sciences and the information we know through history, it is safe to say THERE IS NO GOD. THERE NEVER WAS. THERE NEVER WILL BE.
humanity is at a breaking a point - we're on the steps of either our destruction, or our advancement as a race. we're a civilization as a whole now, just like there's thousands more in our galaxy alone.
we need to move past our biased faiths and seek a future for our civilzation so we can survive, compete, and flourish. we're being held back.

Since I did the majority of pulling responses out of CTB, and because I so fervently think his beliefs are fucking clown shoes, I must say I don't agree totally with this either.

There is no GOD. This, I can handle, in a sense. So many traditions propose a center of consciousness, sometimes referred to as the collective comic mind, and I guess since there is no way to prove or disprove such a theory (there is plenty of evidence both ways, brought forth on both sides by most of the leading minds of history) I guess some might call that cosmic mind a sort of God, but that is a case of spirituality.

I agree with you that a need to become more cohesive in our efforts is needed for the survival of our race, but if you look at the history of the world there has been a constant change over many eras in the way humans think. Ancient religions looked at the world in such a different way (especially because there is no way to say how the world was, because the Earth began with a carbon atmosphere and we take for granted that we can measure its half-lives for dating but that means the Earth needs to have been under the same conditions over the course of history, an assumption we cannot make) that were much more experiential and fluid, a detachment from a sense of self. The culmination of the human self as an individual sense of worth began at some point with Greek civilization, but really cohered around the time of Christ, when Messianic religions illustrated the strength of the human.

It may seem like jibber jabber, but that's just how I see it. Of course it is much more illustrative and detailed than that, but our bodies and our minds haven't always been this way. Take for instance Egyptian reliefs showing headdresses with tiny snakes on the forehead. That isn't a representaion of Seth, that my friends are our ancestors showing our pineal gland, the THIRD EYE. Trip sometime, and you'll see the power the pineal gland has to alter consciousness.

IDK, I agree we need to come together to survive, but if the scope of human history has been to come to realization and affirmation of the strength of the individual, it's going to be tough.

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