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:	post by grizloch at 2007-09-19 16:19:01

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grizloch said:

there is a difference between restraining someone without hurting them and breaking their legs, I dunno if youve ever had to restrain someone who was fighting back, but doing it without hurting them or getting hurt is harder than you seem to think, particularly when you have a gun and the kid has absolutely no intention of going quietly, if the kid had gotten an arm broken and the cops got kicked in the balls and there was blood and hair everywhere this would have been a much bigger spectacle on a national scale, not to mention in that room, he was tazed to stop him from struggling and getting hurt or hurting someone else, regardless of how many cops there were, thats what tazers are for
if thats not what tazers are for, feel free to clue me in

Interesting, but pretty false. A single cop might be justified if restraining a resisting kid, but 4-5 cops? It's not as hard as you make it out to be, especially since they are trained. Again, it's not fucking hard. Kneel on him, roll him, each cop secures an arm and leg. As for you're whining about breaking his arms, waaah. A front cuff and leg shackle would avoid that, and would be a much more intelligent second choice than a 15000 volt taser that could potentially kill someone with a heart problem.

You may not know shit about restraint techniques, and that's understandable. But I WOULD expect that cops, prison guards, and Security officers should be trained and know what they're doing.

no, I DO know about restraining techniques, and I DO know that ANY effective restraint has the potential to break someones bones if they are struggling hard enough or change the angle of pressure on the bone by either party repositioning their body, and I also know that the more people you add to this equation the more likely an accident is to occur, I also know that a broken bone takes way more time to heal than a 15000 volt taser that could potentially kill someone with a heart problem, I also know if I had a heart problem I probably wouldnt put myself in a position to be tased.

and as for the kid "being arrested for saying something someone didnt like", your an idiot, at no point before the kid started to struggle was he being arrested, he was being escorted out of the building after saying something that was inappropriate and inflammatory and undoubtedly against the rules of the open forum (which if you have ever been to one, or tried to ask a question at one, there are clear guidelines as to what you are and arent allowed to ask or talk about- if you think thats fucked up, good for you, go get tased, or maybe grow a brain and protest like an intelligent person in a place where you have a leg to stand on)

the kid was there to start trouble, and he got trouble, the cops didnt run at him with a taser because he said "skull and bones", the kid got tasered for refusing to leave a function at a state institution after breaking the rules of the forum

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