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you are ab-using [QUOTE]blah blah blah[/QUOTE] to reply to HailTheLeaf.
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[QUOTE="HailTheLeaf:615870"]Okay. Right.. said:[QUOTE]HailTheLeaf said:[QUOTE] Brazil has been running cars on ethanol since the 80's so tell them it's not possible.[/QUOTE] I just said that Brazil accomplishes this because THEY GROW SUGAR CANE. And they grow a LOT of it. Sugar is the only crop that will yield a positive energy gain. We cannot grow sugar in any mass quantities in this country like they do in Brazil. Notice how Brazil is closer to the equator than we are. They have a more tropical climate than us. They can grow tropical crops like sugar cane. To get any quantity of sugar shipped to the US is VERY expensive. This is the reason we use corn syrup (NOT SUGAR) in our soft drinks. Also you can go figure out on your own the difference of population per square mile in Brazil and here. HailTheLeaf said:[QUOTE]GM made great electric cars in the early 90's, then junked them all so they could sell us Hummers instead, that worked out well for them eh?[/QUOTE] I JUST said that battery technology is continually getting better. The EARLY 90'S (!!!!) large batteries sucked a lot more than they do now. Their max capacity degraded much quicker (not to mention their max capacity were much lower) than the lead-acid, NiCd, nickel metal hydride, lithium ion, and Li-ion polymer batteries we use today. HailTheLeaf said:[QUOTE]They're just ideas, some work, others I donno.[/QUOTE] No. None of these work on a large scale to replace gas, except for maybe using hydrogen as storage of energy if battery technology does not advance. But extracting hydrogen is expensive. Shipping and storing hydrogen is expensive. Biproducts from extracting it from natural gases are very bad. If you are going to use electricity to get hydrogen from water (which will be turned back into water when used in your fuel cell car) is wasting a lot of energy compared to just storing the energy in a battery. You might as well go down to the store, buy 4 bags of coal, light 3 of them on fire and use the last bag to power your car. Using shit like peanut/vegatable oil has the same arguments of E85. We do not have enough land in this country to grow that much energy. Not to mention these are horribly less efficient than using ethanol. * soybean plants requires 27 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced, and * sunflower plants requires 118 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced. Awesome, I bet you love senselessly lighting coal on fire for no gain. HailTheLeaf said:[QUOTE] Fuck nuclear power.[/QUOTE] Why fuck nuclear power? Because you're afraid of something you don't understand it? THAT'S NOT HYPOCRITICAL AT ALL. Because it doesn't releases any greenhouse gases or other air pollutants unlike all your other proposed ideas (while using electricity from coal)? [/QUOTE] I'm quite aware of Brazil's sugar cane production, we grow it too, down south. We could easily inport more at a lower cost if the cost of sugar here weren't artifically high due to import quotas and tariffs. High fructose corn syrup is even worse for you to consume than sugar, and I'd love to know why they think it's nessecsary to put it in things like ketchup. At any rate, I'm sure we could have plenty of farmers grow sugar cane instead of corn and produce enough ethenol to run a % of cars on it. The electric cars in the early 90's worked very well, large battery or not. If GM didn't have their heads up their ass I'm sure the batteries would be even smaller and go farther now...you could charge your car with solar panels on your garage so I'd love to know why none are being produced...yet I still see ads for Hummers. Veggie oil is already being produced in mass quantities here, for your FOOD, the fuel you'd be using is USED veggie oil, it's being recycled...there's no extra production needed, it's disposed of at millions of resturants everyday, so there is no extra fossil fuel being used to produce it. If communities grew their own food locally and produced soybean oil in self-sufficient plants, then no fossil fuels would be used. Nuclear power creates nuclear waste, which there is no way to dispose of, if you'd like to keep it at your house, go ahead, I'd rather get energy from free sources that produce no toxic waste and aren't going to kill me, like the sun and wind. You can't have a solar accident or a wind meltdown..and why the fuck do I want to pay someone else a bill every month for electricity I can have for free? [/QUOTE]
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