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returntothepit >> discuss >> Converge and Cavein by the_reverend on Jul 18,2004 3:04am
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toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 18,2004 3:04am
awsome show.
pictures are uploading.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 18,2004 3:32am
that jackson mann place had a sucky stage (read during draw blood), BUT was air conditioned!

mi amore: they sounded more like led zeplin then sludgey... reminded me a lot like coalesce.

draw blood: their branded of short, sweet, and to the point hardcore-ish songs have gotten them a lot in a very short time. they are even playing on hellfest this year. I cut my leg on the stage during their set when maxi-aaron (as oppose to a mini-aaron) hit me. I stood back right, snapped a few shots and thought "that's got to be blood running down my leg" looked and it was so I snapped a few more shots and then when to clean myself up. I got back for their last couple songs.

a life once lost: see devon... the singer told the crowd to go apeshit... anyhow, their set was awesome except for the fact that like all bands, if you stood in front of the PA, all you could hear was the vocals..

cave in: they played a couple of songs that I didn't care about. then a song that was decent. then some more songs that were "hippy shit cause that's what we play now... where have you been for the last 3 releases?" finally, right when I was thinking "why did I want to see them" they ended with juggernaut. that made my night. they were very evil playing teaser song bits in between songs and when people cheered, saying "yeah that is a good song" and stopping. I wished, like always that they would play more old songs.

converge: what can I say about their set? it seems that at points, there were more people on the stage than in the audience with massive pile ups going on on stage. I kept either ducking and pulling my camera back, pushing people back of kurt (guitarist), or getting kicked in my injured leg causing it to bleed more. they played 1 or 2 new songs and they sounds groovier, like one had some riffs that were sabbath-esque. at one point they even started off with a cave in teaser... damn it...



toggletoggle post by nick   at Jul 18,2004 12:39pm
i think its time for jake bannon to eat a sandwich.



toggletoggle post by attendmyrequiem at Jul 18,2004 3:34pm edited Jul 18,2004 3:37pm
haha i love how after bob of ALOL was like making fun of all the kids who danced when he said that. haha. oh well. haha they crashed here last night and regis CP knocked on their van in the middle of the night to notice 3 people were sleeping in it and had to explain that they didn't have a place to stay and a few of them were up in my room and shit.

i'd also like to add that the attendence was fucking amazing. it's been a long time i've seen a good DIY styled show like that happen with a crowd this big. I hope more good shows get to this place and that stupid kids that start fights durring converge (Right after jake gave a speach about integrity in the scene) don't ruin it.



toggletoggle post by tbone_r  at Jul 18,2004 3:40pm
the energy during converge was amazing, both from the crowd and the band. i cant wait to see them again



toggletoggle post by attendmyrequiem at Jul 18,2004 3:44pm
converge seemed to be real sloppy on their jane doe stuff. and parts of the song you fail me were pretty sloppy. but they played the rest of the set tighter than they ever normally do.



toggletoggle post by George   at Jul 18,2004 3:48pm
i got a concussion from the friday show

i hate faggot hardcore retards.

but jacob almost vomited on me during great devistator. the icc really needs an air conditioner, that was disgusting.



toggletoggle post by salty_fist at Jul 18,2004 6:14pm
Holy shit that show was amazing. Cave-in was incredible. That instrumental song was cool and groovy. Moral Eclipse and Juggernaut, the two heavy songs they played were great to hear too. I've seen Converge way too many times and I've got to say that was one of the funnest sets ever. Kids really need to stop fighting at shows too. But all in all, I had a great time.



toggletoggle post by Phoenix in Flame at Jul 19,2004 6:43pm
That show was fucking amazing!! I went to both, the second show was far better than the first, better bands and just a better show, 'cept for that fat kid that started fights. I got hit in the right temple by him and it still hurts..bastard. First times i've ever seen Converge and it was incredible, definetly going to the show at the middle east on halloween when they come back.



toggletoggle post by tbone_r  at Jul 19,2004 6:54pm
does the middle east allow dancing? i thought i heard they didn't



toggletoggle post by BigMastaJay at Jul 19,2004 7:31pm
that kid didn't start the fight at the end the fight started because people think they where tuff by cheap shotting a 145 pound kid



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Jul 19,2004 7:35pm
i hate hardcore jocks named collin who punch kids



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Jul 19,2004 7:37pm
that kid fucking sucks!



toggletoggle post by XSEXYX at Jul 19,2004 11:38pm
i think a lot of you are jelous because you dont have a tight friend circle . whomever had the hulk gloves-classic.



toggletoggle post by Josh_hates_you  at Jul 19,2004 11:41pm
XSEXYX said:
i think a lot of you are jelous because you dont have a tight friend circle . whomever had the hulk gloves-classic.


scenesters are gay fuck you and your bullshit unity that you read about.

too many cliques and politics.

xputting x's around your name is retardedx



toggletoggle post by JellyFish at Jul 19,2004 11:50pm
what he said



toggletoggle post by attendmyrequiem at Jul 20,2004 3:04am
BigMastaJay said:
that kid didn't start the fight at the end the fight started because people think they where tuff by cheap shotting a 145 pound kid



haha then they got wrecked by the converge merch dude. hahahaha



toggletoggle post by -l-invertedcorpse-l- at Jul 20,2004 7:26am
Let Jesus Fuck You!!! Let'm Fuck You!!! Grrrrraghhhh!!!



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Jul 20,2004 1:24pm
hey that fat kid that punched my friend needs to realize just cause he's a whale doesnt mean he can pick on kids half his size, 2 of my friends got thrown out mid set because that prick decided to hit my friend alex, they got beaten up then thrown out, they diddnt even do anything!



toggletoggle post by the_taste_of_cigarettes  at Jul 20,2004 3:37pm
there were whales at that show?



outrageous!!!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 20,2004 4:00pm
whales are big big big moshers if you didn't know.
they are xmoshxtasticx



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 20,2004 4:13pm
oh and colin is one of the scariest, craziest, and nicest people ever.
for the music and the "scene" he's all heart, just stop by mission hill.



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Jul 20,2004 4:45pm
send that fucking meat head colin back to arabia...fucking asshole!



toggletoggle post by tbone_r  at Jul 20,2004 5:04pm
is that a tear?



toggletoggle post by intricateprocess   at Jul 20,2004 7:13pm
i think i saw colin somewhere up by the ceiling about to jump off

i thought it was fucking classic


and for a classic qoute that has nothing to do with anything
Jack Parkman,Chicago white sox, from the movie major leauge 2"

"dont stand on the tracks when the train is coming through"



toggletoggle post by JellyFish at Jul 20,2004 7:17pm
major league movies are hilarious



toggletoggle post by intricateprocess   at Jul 20,2004 7:18pm
the best part is the annoouncer
Bob Youker?



toggletoggle post by JellyFish at Jul 20,2004 7:20pm
yeah something like that.



toggletoggle post by sunofneurot at Jul 21,2004 9:53am
i drove 200 miles from new york to see this show since i havent seen converge in close to a year. what i dont understand is why people insist on dancing next to the crowd when the pit is ENORMOUS AND COMPLETELY EMPTY. why punch people that are actually trying to watch the band play? when i felt the need to dance i went into THE MIDDLE OF THE PIT. boston style sucks. try to pull that shit in new york.



toggletoggle post by joostin in beantown at Jul 21,2004 1:48pm
maxi-aaron was amazing



toggletoggle post by JellyFish at Jul 21,2004 3:11pm
sunofneurot said:
i drove 200 miles from new york to see this show since i havent seen converge in close to a year. what i dont understand is why people insist on dancing next to the crowd when the pit is ENORMOUS AND COMPLETELY EMPTY. why punch people that are actually trying to watch the band play? when i felt the need to dance i went into THE MIDDLE OF THE PIT. boston style sucks. try to pull that shit in new york.


i met a guy once who was from jersey and said in new york and jersey the whole crowd fights back when people punch the crowd. That would be glorious to see.



toggletoggle post by sunofneurot at Jul 21,2004 3:52pm
its damn true. ive even seen groups of girls kick the shit out some dudes. bottom line is, dont be a jerk or you will get yours.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 21,2004 4:04pm
lizzy can kick the shit out of anyone, but I think she was on the tour with 100 demons.



toggletoggle post by mosh hard or go home!! at Jul 21,2004 4:12pm
Lizzy is the toughest female ever. She moshes hard.



toggletoggle post by tbone_r  at Jul 21,2004 4:13pm
yeah, and she doesnt take any shit



toggletoggle post by nick   at Jul 21,2004 5:11pm
one time in 1992 i was watching blood for blood at the rat and lizzy frigging picked up a radiator and just gunned it at my head. ive still got the radiator, fucking insane!



toggletoggle post by todayistheday at Jul 21,2004 6:01pm
post by sunofneurot at Jul 21,2004 9:53am

i drove 200 miles from new york to see this show since i havent seen converge in close to a year. what i dont understand is why people insist on dancing next to the crowd when the pit is ENORMOUS AND COMPLETELY EMPTY. why punch people that are actually trying to watch the band play? when i felt the need to dance i went into THE MIDDLE OF THE PIT. boston style sucks. try to pull that shit in new york.


shutup. atleast people dance here.....ive been to cbgbs a million times and the crowds always just stand there like idiots



toggletoggle post by tbone_r  at Jul 21,2004 11:59pm
standing 5ft away from an area that has people flailing around limbs isn't gonna be safe. there are almost always places for people to stand if they really dont wanna get hit.



toggletoggle post by JellyFish at Jul 22,2004 12:23am
dude it should be kept in the middle. People on the sides should not be hit, EVER.



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Jul 22,2004 7:06am
I saw this one girl standing on the side during a Life Once Lost and she got nailed in the head by that fat kid. People should watch where they are mindlessly flailing their limbs around.



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jul 22,2004 7:11am
that's my lef on the left (jeans)

and NO ONE should ever hit the rev

EVER

(or me for that matter)



toggletoggle post by sunofneurot at Jul 22,2004 11:17am
todayistheday said:
post by sunofneurot at Jul 21,2004 9:53am

i drove 200 miles from new york to see this show since i havent seen converge in close to a year. what i dont understand is why people insist on dancing next to the crowd when the pit is ENORMOUS AND COMPLETELY EMPTY. why punch people that are actually trying to watch the band play? when i felt the need to dance i went into THE MIDDLE OF THE PIT. boston style sucks. try to pull that shit in new york.


shutup. atleast people dance here.....ive been to cbgbs a million times and the crowds always just stand there like idiots


you obviously go to the wrong shows.




toggletoggle post by JellyFish at Jul 22,2004 5:24pm
succubus said:
that's my lef on the left (jeans)

and NO ONE should ever hit the rev

EVER

(or me for that matter)


absolutely not. But its not like flailing limbs around mindlessly is whats happening. Theres plenty of dick holes who hit people in the crowd, in both the metal and hardcore 'scenes'. Theres no reason why a fan or someone taking pics should be hurt when they arent participating.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 22,2004 5:36pm
people are usually good about looking out for me.
the only time I usually get hit is when I'm someplace stupid.
like in the front row of terror at nemhf dumb me.



toggletoggle post by Mosh hard or go home!!! at Jul 22,2004 5:37pm
Then MOSH HARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



toggletoggle post by attendmyrequiem at Jul 22,2004 10:54pm
sunofneurot said:
i drove 200 miles from new york to see this show since i havent seen converge in close to a year. what i dont understand is why people insist on dancing next to the crowd when the pit is ENORMOUS AND COMPLETELY EMPTY. why punch people that are actually trying to watch the band play? when i felt the need to dance i went into THE MIDDLE OF THE PIT. boston style sucks. try to pull that shit in new york.



um i think that style was created in NY. go to a Madball show 5 years ago.



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