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returntothepit >> discuss >> presidential debate #1 2012 by The_reverend on Oct 3,2012 9:19pm
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toggletoggle post by The_reverend   at Oct 3,2012 9:19pm
Listening while driving



toggletoggle post by demondave at Oct 3,2012 9:47pm
tsk tsk tsk.

texting while driving. and yet you wont sexting with me while driving.

I was listening too while driving. now at home



toggletoggle post by Burnsy at Oct 3,2012 9:48pm
Obama isn't sticking to the issues. Too many anecdotes and trail offs. Honestly, Romney is killing it thus far.



toggletoggle post by largefreakatzero at Oct 3,2012 9:57pm
Won't listen. Fuck both of these clowns.



toggletoggle post by Randy_Marsh at Oct 3,2012 10:02pm
Burnsy said[orig][quote]
Obama isn't sticking to the issues. Too many anecdotes and trail offs. Honestly, Romney is killing it thus far.


Gonna have to agree here, Obama was mentioning "educational growth" while there is a huge deficit and economic depression.



toggletoggle post by Burnsy at Oct 3,2012 10:05pm
Yeah. It is just a debate though. I don't think it'll have a huge impact either way.



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Oct 3,2012 10:11pm edited Oct 3,2012 10:12pm
why am i watching this its not like I really give a shit



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Oct 3,2012 10:12pm
I*



toggletoggle post by slar you morbid? at Oct 4,2012 1:34am
who cares really? theyre both just reciting various reiterations of their partys platform. Maybe it's because my drive time radio is always toggling between NPR and WRKO, but i can't imagine there are that many "undecideds" at this point, who are going to be that swayed by any of these debates. It's gonna be idiot hipster/hippies blindly voting for obama and idiot terk errr jerbbs rednecks and blue collar good ol' boys blindly voting for romney, and we'll see who can be coaxed to show up to the polls in greater numbers.
/democracy



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Oct 4,2012 2:00am
Burnsy said[orig][quote]
Obama isn't sticking to the issues. Too many anecdotes and trail offs. Honestly, Romney is killing it thus far.


He's always been really lousy at thinking on his feet.

I didn't watch the debate or anything, but have heard multiple accounts of the guy letting Romney walk all over him. Why are Democrats such pussies?



toggletoggle post by The_reverend   at Oct 4,2012 3:48am
Yeah, he didn't want to interrupt romney it seemed. Anyhow, the first reply that obama gave sucked and had nothing to do with what romney said. That pissed me off.



toggletoggle post by ctb0rderpatrol at Oct 4,2012 6:39am
lol @ people getting pissed at warcriminal obama's flops



toggletoggle post by Burnsy at Oct 4,2012 7:17am
The_reverend said[orig][quote]
Yeah, he didn't want to interrupt romney it seemed. Anyhow, the first reply that obama gave sucked and had nothing to do with what romney said. That pissed me off.


Yeah, it definitely seemed like one of those things where he had rehearsed a bunch for what they thought Romney was going to say and when he didn't say it, welllllll let's just try what we rehearsed and see if if sticks.



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toggletoggle post by trioxin245  at Oct 4,2012 10:09am
slar%20you%20morbid? said[orig][quote]
who cares really? theyre both just reciting various reiterations of their partys platform. Maybe it's because my drive time radio is always toggling between NPR and WRKO, but i can't imagine there are that many "undecideds" at this point, who are going to be that swayed by any of these debates. It's gonna be idiot hipster/hippies blindly voting for obama and idiot terk errr jerbbs rednecks and blue collar good ol' boys blindly voting for romney, and we'll see who can be coaxed to show up to the polls in greater numbers.
/democracy
Exactly. It floors me that people still don't seem to realize that everything is already pre-determined as far as the issues go. All the debate really proves is which candidate is better at acting than the other, because the media is more likely to make a big deal of something ridiculous like a bad facial expression or hand gesture and turn it into a reason why that person is unfit to be President than actually focus on issues, since at this point everyone who would be affected by them is most likely already locked in to a candidate.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Oct 4,2012 10:34am
i may not care for Obama, but anyone who thinks that Mitt Romney is a good alternative should be rounded up, shot and incinerated.



toggletoggle post by ark at Oct 4,2012 10:46am
it was an alright debate. i thought romney didn't get into specifics as well as obama and circled back into party-line rhetoric now and then. i thought he made a big mistake by saying he wouldn't need to add revenue to lower the deficit.

the best part is every 4 years people think changing presidents frequently will somehow fix the biggest economy in the world and all it's social and environmental issues. if romney wins more democrats will get elected and vice versa.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Oct 4,2012 10:49am
I really wish the USA splits into multiple countries. It is necessary.



toggletoggle post by Alx_Casket  at Oct 4,2012 11:25am
This is all I have to say:



toggletoggle post by trioxin245  at Oct 4,2012 11:33am
ark said[orig][quote]
it was an alright debate. i thought romney didn't get into specifics and circled back into party rhetoric
I'd say that's exactly what his party wants to hear



toggletoggle post by trioxin245  at Oct 4,2012 11:34am
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
I really wish the USA splits into multiple countries. It is necessary.
Agreed. New England would make a much better country on its own. We should have let the south secede.



toggletoggle post by Burnsy at Oct 4,2012 11:48am
Romney got into more specifics than he did the entire campaign.

Not enough people pay enough attention to know that senators and congress play a huge role. After all, their job is to create the laws. The executive branch's job is to enforce them.



toggletoggle post by trioxin245  at Oct 4,2012 11:57am
Kid your moms job is to enforce MY BALLS



toggletoggle post by ark at Oct 4,2012 12:02pm
like how romney wants to repeal dodd-frank and obamacare, except keep some parts of them, except not say which parts, or how he's going to possibly convince a senate majority to do both of those things.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Oct 4,2012 12:07pm
The best way to judge a politician is not by their speeches, but by their pearly white smile and their smug demeanor. Bleached teeth and clean-shaven? Ugh. Bring back gritty presidents; ones who smoked cigars, had beards and were overweight. Bring back real people.

William Henry Harrison died in 30 days, BRING HIM BACK AND GIVE HIM A FAIR CHANCE



toggletoggle post by slow_day_on_rttp at Oct 4,2012 12:13pm
you are all a bunch of HOMOS for talking about politics, go start a rage against the machine band about it



toggletoggle post by Randy_Marsh at Oct 4,2012 12:15pm
Aliens next month 2012, doesn't matter.



toggletoggle post by ark at Oct 4,2012 12:16pm
zombie taft



toggletoggle post by slow_day_on_rttp at Oct 4,2012 12:16pm
^^^speaking of homos^^^



toggletoggle post by slow_day_on_rttp at Oct 4,2012 12:18pm
Randy_Marsh said[orig][quote]
Aliens next month 2012, doesn't matter.

^^^speaking of homos^^^
*fixed*



toggletoggle post by yummy at Oct 4,2012 12:20pm
I think there was a lot Obama didn't say, deliberately. It wouldn't be an exciting election season if he stayed ahead the entire time. I do believe that majority of the country has their minds made up. However, it comes down to electoral votes. Those votes are 90% of the time with their party.

My real take on this...Goddamnit we suck. Where are the other options. Where is the none of the above option. You can pick what you want from insurance, to vehicles, houses, hookers, etc. But when it comes to the president it's only two paths. Fuck, I get more cynical every day.



toggletoggle post by eyeroller at Oct 4,2012 12:22pm
Kang vs Kodos.



toggletoggle post by Ancient_Master  at Oct 4,2012 1:02pm
I agree with ark
it is impossible to tackle all of the environmental, social and economic problems with our system of 4 year/term presidencies. They are far too deep seeded, are too interconnected, and require a perspective that is far sighted and based on long term changes beginning at a systemic level. NO ONE policy or president can institute a short term solution for these problems, the linear system itself must be disassembled and then rebuilt from the ground up.



toggletoggle post by Sacreligion at Oct 4,2012 1:07pm
Ancient_Master said[orig][quote]
NO ONE policy


INB4 90s rapcore revival band



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toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Oct 4,2012 1:46pm
AND I THINK YOUR THREE PERCENT TITANIUM TAX DOESN'T GO TOO FAR ENOUGH



toggletoggle post by eye-gore at Oct 4,2012 2:08pm
Alx_Casket said[orig][quote]
This is all I have to say:
LMAO, Romney now looks like he escaped the planet of the apes



toggletoggle post by ShadowSD  at Oct 4,2012 3:08pm
I agree with ark, Romney was all about the illusion of being specific on the questions people actually wanted answers to going into this thing: if there aren't enough tax deductions for the rich to revoke that would pay for the tax cut of 20% which has been in Romney's plan for a year and a half, then where does that money come from if not by eliminating tax deductions for the working and middle class? When questioned or challenged that his numbers don't add up, Romney just ignored it and kept repeating the same figures as if nothing had happened, then he suddenly denied he supported a tax cut for the rich at all and swore it was only a tax cut for the middle class; now he actually has his surrogates going on the airwaves today with the message that yes it's a reduction of 20% across the board, but that means it's a tax cut only for the middle class and NOT a tax cut for the rich because it's only just a tax "reduction" for the rich - that's literally what some assfuck Senator from Utah said on my TV this morning. If America falls for that, we are stupid (fuck, we're still paying for buying into the message ten years ago in our deficit and in our economy).

I think Burnsy is right though that Romney was more specific that he ever had been before. The problem was that the bar he set for specifics was so low before.

I will say this, though, he definitely prepared really hard and got a lot of words in, and made the best use of his time in terms of taking opportunities to make points; I just don't think Romney denying his tax plan for the last year and a half all of a sudden in a debate can work in the age of youtube, or claiming he supports health insurance companies covering pre-existing conditions when his position up until last night has been to do so only in cases of prior continuous health insurance coverage, or claiming in the debate that states should make the calls on issues like education before twenty minutes later in the same debate talking about the importance of the federal government in bypassing the states and giving education money directly to people.

It's only convincing if a person's attention span is four seconds long, and can't see someone pandering to them with rehearsed and often contradictory answers a mile away. The only actual spontaneous line in that entire 90 minute policy debate from either guy was not from Romney, it was from Obama on Romney's sudden dropping of the plan he campaigned on for eighteen months: "his big bold idea is... never mind." When Romney can be spontaneous about an answer other than "happy anniversary", I might be slightly impressed.



toggletoggle post by still_a_slow_day_on_rttp at Oct 4,2012 3:17pm
slow_day_on_rttp said[orig][quote]
you are all a bunch of HOMOS for talking about politics, go start a rage against the machine band about it


backed, and the continuence of this thread is making me want to crap.



toggletoggle post by my_dying_bride at Oct 4,2012 7:38pm



toggletoggle post by my_dying_bride at Oct 4,2012 7:40pm
drill here. drill now. drill hard.



toggletoggle post by Headbanging_Man at Oct 4,2012 7:44pm



toggletoggle post by Headbanging_Man at Oct 4,2012 7:47pm
Here's Romney's energy plan:

Drill baby, drill!



toggletoggle post by Burnsy at Oct 4,2012 8:17pm
ark said[orig][quote]
like how romney wants to repeal dodd-frank and obamacare, except keep some parts of them, except not say which parts, or how he's going to possibly convince a senate majority to do both of those things.


I said he was as specific as he had been. Makes me nervous that he waited until a month from the election to elaborate AT ALL on his tax and healthcare plans. I was saying he was relatively specific.

However, attack Romney on his campaign thus far. That's totally fair. In terms of this debate, he wiped the floor with the President. The President did not show up to win last night and should be embarrassed by his performance, ESPECIALLY given Romney's propensity to say some RETARDED shit.

still_a_slow_day_on_rttp said[orig][quote]

backed, and the continuence of this thread is making me want to crap.


So don't open the thread, shitdick.



toggletoggle post by Burnsy at Oct 4,2012 8:30pm
Headbanging_Man said[orig][quote]
Here's Romney's energy plan:

Drill baby, drill!


WOW that looks like a good source too!



toggletoggle post by my_dying_bride at Oct 4,2012 8:31pm
Headbanging_Man said[orig][quote]
Here's Romney's energy plan:

Drill baby, drill!

Rolling Stone? Are you serious?

lol



toggletoggle post by Headbanging_Man at Oct 4,2012 10:55pm
Rolling Stone has long featured fine, serious political journalism. It's unfortunate that it comes wrapped in a pop-music package and obviously it's not without bias, but it is clearly miles above the "OMG OBAMA SOCIALIST" school of political commentary.



toggletoggle post by yummy at Oct 4,2012 11:30pm
After watching the Daily Show it's apparent that Bill O'Reilly and I agree on something. Obama gave this one away. I don't care which schmo wins the election. But I predict that when Romney is at his most confident he will get buried.



toggletoggle post by my_dying_bride at Oct 4,2012 11:50pm

roots in journalistic integrity



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Oct 4,2012 11:55pm



toggletoggle post by illinoisenemaBradness at Oct 5,2012 12:20am
Romney killed Obama in that debate. You guys are all...well, take it Roger The bleeding hearts and artists
Make their stand.
And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad bugger's wall.



toggletoggle post by ShadowSD  at Oct 5,2012 8:28am
That may be the first time 'killed' was ever used to describe a performance that included: "I love Big Bird".

If cramming in as many lies as possible and more quickly than they can be rebutted is considered a victory, then we deserve what we get by accepting that standard, whether from a D or a R.




toggletoggle post by amorok666 at Oct 5,2012 10:31am
Hey guys guess what. It doesn't matter.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 5,2012 11:53am
Since Obama is going to win.



toggletoggle post by waste of time at Oct 5,2012 12:48pm
"Meanwhile, there were some really huge issues about the economy that were not addressed at all last night….

1 – In an hour and a half debate about the economy, the Federal Reserve was not mentioned a single time.

2 – In an hour and a half debate about the economy, Ben Bernanke was not mentioned a single time.

3 – In an hour and a half debate about the economy, quantitative easing was not mentioned a single time.

4 – In an hour and a half debate about the economy, the term “derivatives” was not used a single time. Considering the fact that derivatives could bring down our financial system at any moment, this is an issue that should be talked about.

5 – In an hour and a half debate about the economy, there was no mention of the millions of jobs that have been shipped out of the country. Considering the fact that both Obama and Romney have played a role in this, it is probably a topic they both want to avoid. Overall, the United States has lost more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities since 2001.

6 – In an hour and a half debate about the economy, neither candidate mentioned that the velocity of money has plunged to a post-World War II low.

7 – In an hour and a half debate about the economy, the fact that the rest of the world is beginning to reject the U.S. dollar as a reserve currency was not mentioned a single time, but this has enormous implications for our economy in the years ahead.

8 – The fact that the Social Security system is headed for massive trouble was only briefly touched on during the debate. At the moment, there are approximately 56 million Americans that are collecting Social Security benefits. By 2035, that number is projected to grow to an astounding 91 million. Overall, the Social Security system is facing a134 trillion dollar shortfall over the next 75 years. When are our politicians going to honestly address this massive problem?

9 – In an hour and a half debate about the economy, the nightmarish drought the country is experiencing right now was not mentioned a single time.

10 – In an hour and a half debate about the economy, the financial meltdown in Europe was basically totally ignored. But considering the fact that Europe has a larger economy and a much larger banking system than we do, perhaps someone should have asked Obama and Romney what they plan to do when the financial system of Europe implodes.

11 – In an hour and a half debate about the economy, the student loan debt bubble was only briefly mentioned.

12 – In an hour and a half debate about the economy, there was not a single word about the fact that the gap between the wealthy and the poor is now larger than it has been at any point since the Great Depression.

13 – In an hour and a half debate about the economy, there was no mention of TARP (which they both supported at the time). Would they both bail out the big banks if another financial crisis erupted?

14 – In an hour and a half debate about the economy, there was no mention of the economic stimulus packages (which they both supported at the time). Would they both want more “economic stimulus” if we entered another recession?

15 – In an hour and a half debate about the economy, neither candidate talked about the fact that most of the jobs our economy is producing now are low income jobs. In fact, since the end of the last recession, 58 percent of the jobs that have been created are low paying jobs.

16 – In an hour and a half debate about the economy, neither candidate mentioned that more than 100 million Americans are enrolled in at least one welfare program run by the federal government or that more than half of all Americans are now at least partially financially dependent on the government. I can’t blame Romney for avoiding this point though – he probably wanted to avoid the phrase “47 percent” at all costs.

Is this really the best that America can do?

Tens of millions of Americans tuned in hoping to become more informed about the candidates, and instead what they got was an hour and a half of tap dancing as Obama and Romney constantly tossed out buzzwords such as “education”, “energy independent” and “middle class”."

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archive...nd-romney-avoided-during-the-debate



toggletoggle post by eyeroller at Oct 5,2012 2:25pm
the_reverend said[orig][quote]
Since Obama is going to win.


Word up. http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio



toggletoggle post by ark at Oct 5,2012 2:31pm
yes, stupid niggers vote on both sides, deal with it



toggletoggle post by ark at Oct 5,2012 2:36pm
maybe if she had a better school growing up?



toggletoggle post by eyeroller at Oct 5,2012 2:56pm
Post one, a single one, of that caliber, voting for Romney. Please.



toggletoggle post by ark at Oct 5,2012 3:06pm
find a stupid nigger on the internet? no thanks. you win.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 5,2012 4:56pm
Since Obama is going to win.



toggletoggle post by yummy at Oct 5,2012 7:15pm
What's a win? When do the people win?



toggletoggle post by Ancient_Master  at Oct 6,2012 8:41am



toggletoggle post by porphyria at Oct 6,2012 1:07pm
eyeroller said[orig][quote]
the_reverend said[orig][quote]
Since Obama is going to win.


Word up. http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio





bennyhillifier



toggletoggle post by porphyria at Oct 6,2012 1:11pm
eyeroller said[orig][quote]
Post one, a single one, of that caliber, voting for Romney. Please.


done.


bennyhillifier



toggletoggle post by Big bag of assorted nigger parts at Oct 6,2012 1:51pm
While equally trashy, that's not a nigger per se. Any screaming niggers voting for R-money?



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