I'm really curious if anyone here has ever had this happen to them, or perhaps been on the other end of it.
A handful of times I've been in contact with someone over a job, or an internship. I'll send them my resume and a cover for a job I'm qualified for, and they'll email back saying "Hai, I read your resume and I'd like you to come down for an interview. When can you make it?" I email back with a list of specific days and times that would work best for me, but always close it by saying I'd be more than willing to work around their schedule if my availability doesn't work for them.
And then you never hear back from them.
A couple days pass, and I'll email again politely saying "Hi, remember me shithead?" And still no response.
If the job was filled why not just say so? I get that nobody owes me anything, but it comes across as really unprofessional.
I had this happen a few times the last time I was seriously job hunting. Now I'm searching for an internship for graduate course credit, so I thought it might be a different story since I'm volunteering to work for free. I've already had 2 dead ends like this. And I don't get it.
Answers and tangential gripes welcome.
post by arilliusbm at May 18,2011 11:04pm edited May 18,2011 11:05pm
I was unemployed for 5 months and looked for jobs just about every day. What makes me sick now is how impersonal it is. A lot of sites just want you to upload your resume to their site, or copy and paste it in a box. FUCK YOU, I FORMATTED THAT THING FOR A REASON ASSHOLES
A month ago I was seriously job hunting, and someone from HR at a large boston hospital got in touch with me after I applied and asked why I was interested in the position. I already had a bunch of internal contacts vouching for me, so I figured that if I could reiterate why I felt I was a good fit, I would be in. I took the effort to write down a bunch of bullshit and never heard anything back. Then I got promoted at my current job and I'm happy, and lucky considering.
What makes me sick now is how impersonal it is. A lot of sites just want you to upload your resume to their site, or copy and paste it in a box. FUCK YOU, I FORMATTED THAT THING FOR A REASON ASSHOLES
Oh and fuck job websites. Everyone I know got their jobs through direct contact, networking through friends (not job fairs), or just knowing the right people.
post by LPCustom at May 18,2011 11:56pm
What pisses me off is when I attach dick pics to the resume and they go completely ignored - not even an "LOL" or shit for my trouble.
post by BlackoutRick at May 19,2011 12:58am edited May 19,2011 12:59am
I've been laid off since Feb. 09 from a job I was with for 5 years. I got a job after that for 6 months (Quit that cuz I commuted from Westford to Woburn). I've been off and on with my old job through a temp agency (Maybe I should start a gripe thread about these temp agency jerks). I mean have you seen these things? *Seinfeld reference*
I've been off and on with my old job through a temp agency (Maybe I should start a gripe thread about these temp agency jerks). I mean have you seen these things? *Seinfeld reference*
post by ouchdrummer at May 19,2011 3:40am edited May 19,2011 3:41am
My manager recently told me that after reading someone's resume, he would not return ANY of their calls, until the 5th time they had reached him. He said that if they weren't willing to keep trying, then they weren't the right people for his team.... I've always sorta thought people did this, but obviously had no proof..until he told me. So yeah, i don't know that everyone does it, but it definitely is done on purpose with regularity.
the reason they dont get back to you is because they are receiving 34809834209238 resumes these days. My work is looking for a part timer and my boss had me put an add on craigs list and my inbox is getting RAPED. It's impossible to legitimately go through all this shit...
My manager recently told me that after reading someone's resume, he would not return ANY of their calls, until the 5th time they had reached him. He said that if they weren't willing to keep trying, then they weren't the right people for his team.... I've always sorta thought people did this, but obviously had no proof..until he told me. So yeah, i don't know that everyone does it, but it definitely is done on purpose with regularity.
My mom told me something similar too when she was in a hiring position.
so glad I got my unemployment stint out of the way before all the shit hit the fan. my bro has been trying to find a full time job for over 2 years though. fucking sucks.
My manager recently told me that after reading someone's resume, he would not return ANY of their calls, until the 5th time they had reached him. He said that if they weren't willing to keep trying, then they weren't the right people for his team....
That is absolutely retarded. 5 tries? You've got to have an ego visible from space to justify that.
For the record I've tried this multiple ways. I've done it the be polite and just send a follow up email way. And I've definitely done it the email, call, email, call, email, call, call, call, call route. Neither one has fool proof results. More of then than not the latter of the 2 just ends up pissing people off.
I had one instance where an employer contacted me and asked me to come in for an interview. They blew off 2 of my emails, and when I called their office and asked to speak with the woman who had emailed me the receptionist asked my name and for real started laughing when I told her. Needless to say, I never got on the phone with the woman.
For the job I have now, I had 2 interviews in 2 weeks with them. Then they took 2 or 3 months to get back to me. I emailed and never heard back from anyone. I called them, and no one was ever around. Finally a receptionist told me that they had been too busy (surprise surprise because they were short a guy) to make a decision on it.
AndrewBastard said
the reason they dont get back to you is because they are receiving 34809834209238 resumes these days.
I get that. Emailing your resume to someone you've never met or talked to and never hearing back is one thing. Anyone who sits there thinking the world owes them and thinks "Why does no one like my resume, I have so much pizazz :(" is in for a long job hunt.
But having an employer contact you and say verbatim "We want you to come in for an interview" and then purposely blow you off is another story.
post by ridddeersssofdoooomm at May 19,2011 9:54am
LOL at all the proud defenders of capitalism who bitch about finding work.
Imagine a world where you can find work in your field if you are qualified to do the work
in before someone says we need someone to clean the toilets.
My manager recently told me that after reading someone's resume, he would not return ANY of their calls, until the 5th time they had reached him. He said that if they weren't willing to keep trying, then they weren't the right people for his team....
That is absolutely retarded. 5 tries? You've got to have an ego visible from space to justify that.
For the record I've tried this multiple ways. I've done it the be polite and just send a follow up email way. And I've definitely done it the email, call, email, call, email, call, call, call, call route. Neither one has fool proof results. More of then than not the latter of the 2 just ends up pissing people off.
I had one instance where an employer contacted me and asked me to come in for an interview. They blew off 2 of my emails, and when I called their office and asked to speak with the woman who had emailed me the receptionist asked my name and for real started laughing when I told her. Needless to say, I never got on the phone with the woman.
For the job I have now, I had 2 interviews in 2 weeks with them. Then they took 2 or 3 months to get back to me. I emailed and never heard back from anyone. I called them, and no one was ever around. Finally a receptionist told me that they had been too busy (surprise surprise because they were short a guy) to make a decision on it.
AndrewBastard said
the reason they dont get back to you is because they are receiving 34809834209238 resumes these days.
I get that. Emailing your resume to someone you've never met or talked to and never hearing back is one thing. Anyone who sits there thinking the world owes them and thinks "Why does no one like my resume, I have so much pizazz :(" is in for a long job hunt.
But having an employer contact you and say verbatim "We want you to come in for an interview" and then purposely blow you off is another story.
You probably have already tried this, but if i were you i would go in to the job (office, warehouse, whatever the hell it is) and ask for the person you were communicating with. Don't act like you're there BECAUSE they didn't get back to you, just act like you're following up because you're really interested. I've seen people do that here, and i work with them now.
Don't act like you're there BECAUSE they didn't get back to you, just act like you're following up because you're really interested. I've seen people do that here, and i work with them now.
i was such a fucking idiot in my early adulthood that i lost/quit MANY jobs.. and as a result, have had a lot of experience finding jobs.
post by arkquimanthorn at May 19,2011 10:28am
And it's true that knowing people does help. I'm extremely lucky that I have a stable IT job and was able to give my cousin glowing recommendations to the recruiter he was in contact with that landed him a position at UMass. It also helps that he knows his ass from his face and was able to surprise people with computing skills and probably started off a little bit lower down the ladder than he should have, but maybe shooting low pays off when you really need a fucking job.
And it's true that knowing people does help. I'm extremely lucky that I have a stable IT job and was able to give my cousin glowing recommendations to the recruiter he was in contact with that landed him a position at UMass. It also helps that he knows his ass from his face and was able to surprise people with computing skills and probably started off a little bit lower down the ladder than he should have, but maybe shooting low pays off when you really need a fucking job.
I know at least a dozen people that could get a job within a day... if they were actually desperate enough to take a job they thought of as "below" them. Problem is, with the way unemployment insurance is structured here, people hold out and don't take jobs that they could have, because they want to hold out for something they think "fits" them better.
What i don't think these people realize, is that when an employer is interviewing for a position, just the fact that the applicant is employed makes a difference. It shows that you AREN'T "too big for your briches", that you're willing to do what you have to in order to make ends meet. That's a good quality, and it shows that you prefer working for less money as opposed to sitting at home lazily collecting taxpayers money. Which, i assure you, is a big difference.
I have been unemployed since January 4 2010. They keep giving me money so I keep taking it. In the last 16 months I have filled out zero applications and have not updated my resume.
I'm guessing when they finally cut me off I'll be able to find something.
My school offers a career services website that gets updated frequently with jobs, and internships. The catch is that it takes 48 hours to approve your registration for the site. You keep a resume on file there that you use to apply to jobs... that also takes multiple days to be approved after uploading it. Every single job requires a cover letter, which has to be uploaded and again takes multiple days to be approved.
I uploaded a resume and a cover on Monday. It's almost noon on Thursday and neither have been approved. What is there to approve about it? The fact that I have a school email proves that I'm not a spambot. Are they checking my grammar?
There will be PLENTY of AWESOME jobs on Sunday, after the rapture takes all the jesus people away on Saturday.
so pumped for this
ya its pretty much win/win. If it doesnt happen (most likely), Jesus freaks will be further wrong and look even more stupid than normal. However if something does happen... well that will be fucking cool to witness.
post by arkquimanthorn at May 19,2011 12:34pm
outside of this website i have not heard/seen a single thing about this "rapture" that will never happen anyway.
post by ridddeersssofdoooomm at May 19,2011 12:47pm
I wasn't talking about you guys, I'm talking about all the super defenders of the status quo, IE rampant capitalism that could give a shit less about the people having decent living standards.
I know too many people who in one breath talk about how we need to protect American corporations from the evils of regulation but who in the next breath bitch about how china gets all the jobs...
My manager recently told me that after reading someone's resume, he would not return ANY of their calls, until the 5th time they had reached him. He said that if they weren't willing to keep trying, then they weren't the right people for his team.... I've always sorta thought people did this, but obviously had no proof..until he told me. So yeah, i don't know that everyone does it, but it definitely is done on purpose with regularity.
That's just plain fucking retarded. There are other ways to find out if people are driven and motivated. There's no need to get that kind of info out of them by being unprofessional and a fucking asshole.
Also.. while these super smart hiring managers think this a genius ploy to weed out the workers with shitty ethics, there are 9 times as many candidates who contact them 2 or 3 times and just come to the rational conclusion that the person they're contacting is lumped into the group of HR people and other businessmen and women who are terrible and shitty at their jobs. Why play guessing games and beg some asshole to work for a company that has retards doing the hiring? Fuck that. Most people will turn away and spend their energy looking for a job that actually has professional employees who are willing to use RELIABLE ways to gauge your work ethic and other important traits instead of dumb tricks.
^ that, i know of too many clerical/HR people that do their job half-assed, and it's totally reasonable for a respectable, qualified candidate (such as xmikex) to go somewhere else after getting the run-around.
post by arkquimanthorn at May 19,2011 2:10pm
sales is different. no offense jim but thinking of all the salespeople i know/have worked with, you work with a slimy breed.
Okay, RTTP go-getters. How do you feel about tracking down a hiring manager to their facebook account?
As I mentioned earlier, my school's career services website is killing me. It's now over 3 days since I originally submitted my resume, and I still can't apply for any positions. SO, being inspired by all the proactive attitude on here I spent my morning tracking down the contacts and hiring managers for several of the positions I'm interested in, and emailing them directly.
There's one position where I can't find this woman's exact email address, but after reading some of her bio information and interviews I was able to spot her on facebook. Would it be ambitious of me to FB message her, or would even Ouchdrummer's trend setter boss find that over the line?
Have you tried matching the Facebook name to a Linked In profile? You can message her on Linked In. It's an additional step, but it might go over better (especially if she has 'job inquiries' included in her Interests group).
Certainly true.
I haven't been an intern for a few years, but when I did, I applied and went on the interview and didn't hear anything for a full month. I was making alternate plans when they suddenly called me out of nowhere.
so glad I got my unemployment stint out of the way before all the shit hit the fan. my bro has been trying to find a full time job for over 2 years though. fucking sucks.
Everyone I know got their jobs through direct contact, networking through friends (not job fairs), or just knowing the right people.
So true, those factors matter far more than degrees and even competence in terms of who is actually employed, from what I've observed over the years. It's all who you know.
I like when you go to upload your resume and they don't allow pdfs, only .doc or .txt. Yeah makes sense. Why would a nice clean PDF be of any use? And .docx? Who needs that shit. Office 2003 or GTFO.
I had also already read this before it got posted here and it's a great article. I'm actually in school right now to get my CDL and they're real eager to get workers. Recruiters from various companies actually show up to the schools on a regular basis looking for people to hire. It's pretty obvious to anyone why most people wouldn't want to work over the road in this field, and most people I go to school with don't really seem to want to do it anyway, they're looking for local work. But a lot of local companies want you to have 6 months to a year experience before they'll hire you. If you have clean driving and criminal records, you'll have companies falling all over your dick just to hire you. I got a pre-hire from a pretty decent company myself which I was happy about. There's a guy I go to school with who filled out an application for a company and seriously SIX HOURS LATER they were calling him asking him questions trying to hire him. These aren't companies based out of New England either, they take a while to ship out sometimes, so that's pretty astonishing.
Everyone I know got their jobs through direct contact, networking through friends (not job fairs), or just knowing the right people.
So true, those factors matter far more than degrees and even competence in terms of who is actually employed, from what I've observed over the years. It's all who you know.
Yes, looking at the place I work at, this is entirely true.
got injuried on the job, my work soon then fired me. i sued them for wrongful termination and won. was on workmens comp for 10 months once cleared still didnt have a job cant collect unemployment now cuz they go by quaters,so now im soon to be homeless unless i get a job before my savings run out.ive applied everywhere at least 5 jobs a week, i even went as low and applied to mcdonalds twice and no go. its rough out there if you dont know the right people
I applied for this job in waltham building linux graphics design servers... I got called back for a 2nd interview was givin a tour and introduced to everyone and asked about salary. Then I was in the bathroom and hear the guy leaving a message about salary so I run out and he hung up. So I call back immediately, no answer... Waited a few minutes and tried again still no answer tried about 3 more times that day to no avail and left a message. I also sent an email nothing. Tried once or twice the next day, nothing. This went on a for a few weeks and then i just gave up. I was pretty pissed off after 2 months with no reply so I sent them a nasty email which probably wasnt the best idea I guess but wtver.
Okay, RTTP go-getters. How do you feel about tracking down a hiring manager to their facebook account?
As I mentioned earlier, my school's career services website is killing me. It's now over 3 days since I originally submitted my resume, and I still can't apply for any positions. SO, being inspired by all the proactive attitude on here I spent my morning tracking down the contacts and hiring managers for several of the positions I'm interested in, and emailing them directly.
There's one position where I can't find this woman's exact email address, but after reading some of her bio information and interviews I was able to spot her on facebook. Would it be ambitious of me to FB message her, or would even Ouchdrummer's trend setter boss find that over the line?
Alright, so in MY book, that would not be ok. Because as soon as you find her facebook/linkyn(sp?) account you're stepping into her personal life. If you go into the office in person, then you're just stepping into her life at work. which is ok, because your inquiry involves the company she represents. So approaching her/showing up at her work is part of her job. Taking it to her personal networking site steps over that line. I didn't even bother asking my sales manager about this, because i'm sure that he wouldn't approve.
I realize you were just stating this to make a point... which is why i've responded to further define my position.
It WILL make a BIG difference to every employer on the planet that their applicants are enthusiastic about working there, as opposed to doing what's necessary to receive a paycheck. That being said, the 4 times my boss ignores people before he has them come in for an interview IS appropriate.. for a sales job. Obviously, if you're not applying for a sales job, than that might be a little over the top... but people are strange, and if the people in charge of hiring at a company AREN'T calling you back anyways, what could it hurt to make the extra phone calls, or even a stop by the office. Sure, they MIGHT think you're being stalker-like obsessive, but who gives a fuck? It also could make them think the world of you, and end your unemployment woes. Which undeniably are bothering you. (understandably so.) So if you really want a particular job, and this scenario is coming up, call a couple times, then stop by... you just have to weigh the possible benefits against the time it takes to do. And realize that even though you might feel like you're harassing them, people are fucking nuts. Like, the whole general public has NO common sense.. this includes the people doing the hiring. So, if this MIGHT impress them, why not try?
Trust me, I've heard plenty of stories. A lot of those guys probably move on to local jobs as soon as they possibly can. I remember my teacher telling me about an ex-student of his who'd gotten a job and couldn't deal with it anymore. He went in to talk to the teacher about it, kind of vent some stress. The guy was so fed up with the job he couldn't bring the damn truck down from Pawtucket to North Kingstown to finish his damn delivery. Abandoning equipment is a two year jail sentence...
i am so glad you just posted that. every day i realize more and more that i'm just not cut out for this desk job nonsense. getting talked down to by a boss who is retarded but got the position because of a piece of paper that is no longer relevant is not real.
So I submitted a resume for an internship through a company's website. In the meantime my girlfriend added the manager in charge of the position on Linkedin and found me her gmail address.
Too personal to email her gmail account? Or fair game since she posted it on Linkedin?
post by Spaldino at May 20,2011 12:47pm
i hate fucking interviewing for a job and calling back like 4 times afterwards to get told the same thing "we are still interviewing for the position and when we make a decision we will let everyone know" BULL SHIT you will let everyone know. this shit keeps happening. i want to fucking hang myself. its all retard jobs that i am more than qualified to do (cashier shit mainly) and nothing. ever. no health insurance... no EBT card/food stamps... im just fucked. i hate this fucking country.
So I submitted a resume for an internship through a company's website. In the meantime my girlfriend added the manager in charge of the position on Linkedin and found me her gmail address.
Too personal to email her gmail account? Or fair game since she posted it on Linkedin?
In my opinion, it's on the edge. Thing is, she might be impressed by that. And like i said, even if she's not impressed, she hasn't been calling anyway. I'd say at the very least that she will tell you if they're not considering you anymore... then you could stop worrying about it. But yeah, people are all nutt-o fucking crazy anyways, so it's not worth the effort of trying to figure out how she'll react, just do it. As i said earlier though, you'll have a better shot at a good reaction if you don't mention that they haven't gotten back to you, or that you're frustrated.. Just tell her how excited you'd be to work with/for her, and that you're sorry for bothering her, but that you hoped she would have some advice or tips on what management would like to see in the candidates for that position. If you phrase it this way, it projects the fact that you know that you're still in the running for the position, that you're really gun-ho about it, and that you're reaching out for her help and advice. It might endear you to her, and it won't look half as creepy as just sending her an email saying "GIVE MY THAT JOB SLUT!!"
1. I got offered an internship at Fenway Park last night. sooo cash.
2. My girlfriend has a bachelors in biology and has been looking to get back into the bio field. I told her the RTTP consensus that there will be plenty of jobs post-rapture. She said "Not in the science field." Wah Wahh
p.s. I had an interview last night, and the guy interviewing me said probably the most honest thing I've ever heard an employer say "I know before I ask someone to come down whether or not I'm gonna hire them."
