as someone who embraces black metal and its aesthetics, I must admit, I am quite disappointed in your lack of respect for america's true pagan peoples.
You have taken the land which is rightfully ours. Years from now my people will be forced to live in mobile homes on reservations. Your people will wear cardigans, and drink highballs. We will sell our bracelets by the road sides, you will play golf, and enjoy hot hors d'oeuvres. My people will have pain and degradation. Your people will have stick shifts. The gods of my tribe have spoken. They have said, 'Do not trust the Pilgrims, especially Sarah Miller.' And for all these reasons I have decided to scalp you and burn your village to the ground.
You have taken the land which is rightfully ours. Years from now my people will be forced to live in mobile homes on reservations. Your people will wear cardigans, and drink highballs. We will sell our bracelets by the road sides, you will play golf, and enjoy hot hors d'oeuvres. My people will have pain and degradation. Your people will have stick shifts. The gods of my tribe have spoken. They have said, 'Do not trust the Pilgrims, especially Sarah Miller.' And for all these reasons I have decided to scalp you and burn your village to the ground.
Take any college history class and when you get to the period popularly referred to as the closing of the west you will see some serious shit that you never heard about before.
I'm talking legit genocide, continual moving of the peoples, and laws that were passed to destroy their culture, pretty much watch "bury my heart at wounded knee" and you will get a good picture of what the federal policy was for the natives at the end days of the wild west.
I'm well read on history so I tend to be very unpatriotic, there is absolutly nothing to be proud of for this country because everything that seemed amazing, like winning world war 2, had an underlying economic reason where a few made billions while millions suffered.
The crazy thing is that people where just like us back then as they were split, half the country was outraged "da liberals" at what our government was doing to the natives and the other half "da conservatives" wanted true genocide, a lot of business interests who wanted mineral rights and water power rights to native lands used to publish articles in papers calling for the legit genocide saying things like "the red man can not be tamed, kill them all"
as someone who embraces black metal and its aesthetics, I must admit, I am quite disappointed in your lack of respect for america's true pagan peoples.
as someone who embraces black metal and its aesthetics, I must admit, I am quite disappointed in your lack of respect for america's true pagan peoples.
Pantheism is not the same thing as paganism.
Native american tribes held a belief a single creator, and not in multiple deities. They believed in spirits, but these were not like gods. The south american civilizations like the aztecs did believe in multiple deities though.
Hi. My whole family came to America around 1900. No one gave them anything because of their ethnicity and worked as many menial jobs as they could so that their future generations could have a better life. I owe nothing to anyone.
as someone who embraces black metal and its aesthetics, I must admit, I am quite disappointed in your lack of respect for america's true pagan peoples.
Pantheism is not the same thing as paganism.
Native american tribes held a belief a single creator, and not in multiple deities. They believed in spirits, but these were not like gods. The south american civilizations like the aztecs did believe in multiple deities though.
wrong.
Paganism: any of various religions other than Christianity or Judaism or Islam
post by Quetzalcoatl Microbial Djibouti at Feb 16,2011 4:26pm
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In late 1984, Sunkist Soft Drinks was sold to Del Monte. From late 1986 until 2008, it was produced by Cadbury Schweppes under license through its Cadbury Schweppes Americas Beverages subsidiary. Following the demerger of Cadbury Schweppes Americas Beverages from Cadbury Schweppes, it is now produced by Dr Pepper Snapple Group in the USA. Sunkist is still the most popular orange soda in the United States. Sunkist (as a carbonated soft drink) is sold in the UK by Vimto Soft Drinks under license from Sunkist Growers. It is also sold in Australia by Schweppes Australia (a subsidiary of Asahi Breweries), but the Australian formulation is caffeine free. In Canada, a decaffeinated version of the orange drink is marketed as Cplus. The package indicates that there is a small amount of Sunkist Juice.
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Paganism: any of various religions other than Christianity or Judaism or Islam
Well if thats the case then Sihkism, Bahai faith, Buddhism, Babism, Scientology and Pastafarianism are all "pagan" religions.
(none of these religions are pagan)
I am sure medieval Christianity would have advocated that this is the case, but now the term refers to religions that are not monotheistic, and are polytheistic.
North American Indians generally had vague, but monotheistic beliefs.
You cant have a religion that is both monotheistic and pagan at the same time.
Paganism: any of various religions other than Christianity or Judaism or Islam
Well if thats the case then Sihkism, Bahai faith, Buddhism, Babism, Scientology and Pastafarianism are all "pagan" religions.
(none of these religions are pagan)
I am sure medieval Christianity would have advocated that this is the case, but now the term refers to religions that are not monotheistic, and are polytheistic.
North American Indians generally had vague, but monotheistic beliefs.
You cant have a religion that is both monotheistic and pagan at the same time.
lol
Read two more books on the subject, you'll get 3 more answers.
Paganism: any of various religions other than Christianity or Judaism or Islam
Well if thats the case then Sihkism, Bahai faith, Buddhism, Babism, Scientology and Pastafarianism are all "pagan" religions.
(none of these religions are pagan)
I am sure medieval Christianity would have advocated that this is the case, but now the term refers to religions that are not monotheistic, and are polytheistic.
North American Indians generally had vague, but monotheistic beliefs.
You cant have a religion that is both monotheistic and pagan at the same time.
Those are all pagan religions.
Where did you come up with all the rest of that? Did you just make up a new definition?
pa·gan
[pey-guhn] Show IPA
–noun
1.
one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks.
2.
a person who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim.
3.
an irreligious or hedonistic person.
–adjective
4.
pertaining to the worship or worshipers of any religion that is neither Christian, Jewish, nor Muslim.
5.
of, pertaining to, or characteristic of pagans.
6.
irreligious or hedonistic.
I would like to point out that the primary definition (number 1 in your list too) is "one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks." And when it is used by people, or in a class about history or religion, this is the definition they mean. (semantics)
But, if you really believe those other definitions then scientology and buddhism are pagan, and if something being pagan somehow makes it blackmetal then their should be more black metal buddhism and scientology bands.
post by Boozegood at Feb 16,2011 6:16pm edited Feb 16,2011 6:18pm
I would like to point out that the primary definition (number 1 in your list too) is "one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks." And when it is used by people, or in a class about history or religion, this is the definition they mean. (semantics)
But, if you really believe those other definitions then scientology and buddhism are pagan, and if something being pagan somehow makes it blackmetal then their should be more black metal buddhism and scientology bands.
I'm sort of just being a prick about the definition of Pagan. I understand what you, and most other people these days mean when they say 'pagan'.
I don't think Black Metal is Pagan at all, like I said.
True. "Black" metal is not. But I put the word "aesthetics" in there because it opposes the Abrahamic religions, must like how paganism wants nothing to do with them as well. There's a reason why Pagan Metal is called Pagan Metal, and Black Metal is called Black Metal. But quite frankly, 90% of Black Metal bands are full of people who don't hold true to what black metal is supposed to be about. Does that mean they're called Poser Metal bands?
Native american tribes held a belief a single creator, and not in multiple deities. They believed in spirits, but these were not like gods. The south american civilizations like the aztecs did believe in multiple deities though.
If you want to argue specifics and semantics, than this could be true, to an extent. You have to remember that Westernized Beliefs label anything that's not Christian, Jewish, or Muslim as "pagan." Point being, anything that is not the 3 main religions today is simply labeled "pagan." But yes, as with any label, there are specific branches within it, and Pantheism is one of them.
