Let us take some time and talk about the status of thrash metal around Boston. I don't live in the city so please enlighten me on what's going on with thrash metal around here.
There's the dawn of these "pizza thrash" bands which some love and some despise.
List reasons why these bands either a.) suck b.) are bad for thrash or c.) great.
Also list all non-"pizza" thrash bands around and provide links. basically, WHY are the thrash bands moving away towards a Sodom-esuqe sound and more towards a partyfuntime sound. Keep in mind I'm somewhat clueless on what constitutes these "pizza" bands. They're certainly cheesy.
Also, why aren't there many old school sounding thrash bands around anymore?
Help a brother out - it seems Boston thrash is evolving and ain't no body doin a damn thing about it.
i don't even know what constitutes thrash anymore. bands like Mantic Ritual call themselves thrash and get to tour with bands like Marduk, yet when i hear them, i think "crap".
the term 'pizza thrash' started getting thrown around in the area to describe specifically one band: ramming speed. im not digging on RS at all, great band and dudes. but they are pretty much the reason the term gets thrown around here.
the term 'pizza thrash' started getting thrown around in the area to describe specifically one band: ramming speed. im not digging on RS at all, great band and dudes. but they are pretty much the reason the term gets thrown around here.
No wai, dude, that shit's been old news amongst yon punkers for years and years.
ITT: intellectual dissertations on ironic hipster metal.
post by BSV at May 18,2010 6:52pm
Boston hasn't had any good Thrash since Abhorred and Extinction Agenda.
All of the other bands nowadays I find really boring, corny, safe and dry.
Pizza Thrash is applied to any band that throws a show with a keg and somehow convinces themselves that everyone is there for them, because they are amazing. Only true alcholics and headbangers can see through this veil of insecurity. It's a mystical gift that many refer to as "negativity" or "being close minded" or the abominable "elitist" accusation.
Narkybark has a point. Thrash hasn't always been serious.
I dont really think any of it was every that "serioius" to begin with. Its these hipster faggot bands that take the easiest thing about old thrash there is to copy and run with it..
post by BSV at May 18,2010 7:14pm
You play the Toxic Waltz and knock a PA onto Dave Davidson's amp on purpose, THAT'S HOW YOU EAT IT.
The thing about "pizza thrash" as some people like to put it, is that it isn't a purely metal genre. It's crossover. An equal parts punk and metal formula that to me has more to do with DRI than say, Slayer. The only reason it gets called "pizza thrash" rather than "crossover" is because of the lyrical content of the songs, which to me is pretty fucking stupid. So obviously if you like your thrash to be 100% metal then you're not going to dig the pizza bands.
The only reason it gets called "pizza thrash" rather than "crossover" is because of the lyrical content of the songs, which to me is pretty fucking stupid.
It's funny how so many 1st wave Death Metal bands did what they did in spite of crossover. According to Decibel we're in a golden age of new "old school death". HISTORY REPEATS.
explains why so many people have given up on tech death nowadays.
Okay Aril, you made me run out to my car for this one.
Here's the lyrics to a Cross Examination song called "The Foodening". If there ever was a pizza thrash song, this is it.
Well it happened in the month of June, the crew had been partying since noon, the sun had not even yet sunk, but we were fucking drunk. The beast called it from deep inside. We knew there was no way to hide. Hunger creature attacking, appease the foodening. Piled in the car and hit the streets in search of eats on which to feed. The destination this epic day; the pizza buffet. $3.49 - all you can eat pizza. $3.49 - pasta and eats at, $3.49 - the price denotes the mark of the feast. We climbed across the buffet table, devouring all that we were able, and when your average men would drop, we didn't fucking stop. We cleaned out the entire store, pizza warriors we righteous four, we razed and pillaged this delicious land, buffet vikings. Mark of the feast(x4). The foodination was strong this day and we annihilated the whole buffet but when we asked the counter girl for more, she turned and pointed us to the fucking door.
Pay heed to the sign. All you can eat it says for $3.49. Now our demands are clear. If you stand in our way, you'll perish on this day for no one can contain, the fucking foodening.
Not that old thrash is my forte or anything but I'm guessing none of those bands had songs this ridiculous.
"Pizza thrash" is more commonly known as "party thrash", I think the pizza part comes from this board.
post by AndrewBastard at May 18,2010 7:50pm
post by AndrewBastard at May 18,2010 7:50pm
I realized that kinda looks like the Razormaze logo...oh well. We started in '03 and broke up in '03!
Not to toot my own horn, but I'm fairly fucking brilliant and I believe I have pinpointed through rigorous scientific inquiry the precise moment that metal began its descent into the realm of wanton faggotry. . .
and it was precisely when Slayer concluded this set:
i should have put "kind of". though there are some undeniably thrashy parts in our songs bud
post by Czarnobog at May 18,2010 8:41pm edited May 18,2010 8:54pm
yeah, just fuckin around. its true though, not sure you could say there is much of a "boston thrash scene" when there's really only a couple of active thrash bands in this city (and they all seem to have their own sound and approach).
post by Czarnobog at May 18,2010 8:58pm edited May 18,2010 8:59pm
i can definitely get behind the 'MORE SODOM, LESS ANTHRAX' sentiment though.
I'm pretty clueless. I used to go to more shows a while back, haven't gone to many shows recently and am not familiar with many bands. my opinions pretty invalid
The thrash of today has too much punk/grindcore influence. It's pretty much like all of the intricacy left the building. The only thrash band still putting out amazing material is Testament.
sounds like thorg isnt listening to ANY new thrash
I do, most of it is trash. Warbringer is decent but the rest is no good to me. Blackened thrash like the recent non-human level though is amazing and of course it's not made in the USA.
post by HTR at May 18,2010 9:56pm edited May 18,2010 9:57pm
Now it's a party.
post by AndrewBastard at May 18,2010 9:56pm
Aura Noir
Gospel of the Horns
Hellish Crossfire
oh wait, none are from Boston or are that "new"....
i can definitely get behind the 'MORE SODOM, LESS ANTHRAX' sentiment though.
THANK YOU COMRADE.
and I totally had BETRAYAL listed with ABHORRED and EXTINCTION AGENDA but left them out since the thread is in reference to Boston Thrash.
I still need a demo. Saw Matt last week with DESOLATE WIND....good stuff! That Toxic Holocaust show was great.
post by Czarnobog at May 18,2010 10:48pm edited May 18,2010 10:53pm
punk influence can be good too... if your talking dark/heavy punk like english dogs, broken bones, sacrilege, axegrinder, amebix, etc.
legions of hell was a pretty decent metal-punk band in that vein (too bad frado died and the rest of em were fuck-ups and couldn't keep it goin): http://www.myspace.com/legionsofhell666
i can definitely get behind the 'MORE SODOM, LESS ANTHRAX' sentiment though.
THANK YOU COMRADE.
and I totally had BETRAYAL listed with ABHORRED and EXTINCTION AGENDA but left them out since the thread is in reference to Boston Thrash.
I still need a demo. Saw Matt last week with DESOLATE WIND....good stuff! That Toxic Holocaust show was great.
Wait, you saw Matt, Josh? How can I get in touch with that kid, any idea? I dont see him at ANY shows I expect him too, even the Providence shows. I'm assuming he's still with mom and dad in West Warwick as he's kinda tapped but I love and miss that kid.
And thank you: Betrayal played 2 KILLER shows. That one at the Green Room with Toxic Holocaust and Avskum and another at the Safari Lounge (oh the good old days) with Esuriem and Deathamphetamine..
post by bloblovesmusic at May 18,2010 11:15pm
(yes I know, I'm famous for liking everything)
While I love straight up thrash, more times then none I find myself drawn to thrash mixed with stuff, like black/thrash, crossover, power/thrash, punk/thrash, etc.
more times then none I find myself drawn to thrash mixed with stuff, like black/thrash, crossover, power/thrash, punk/thrash, etc.
I feel the same way, not specifically about thrash but more with any music I listen to. I always like the element of surprise so when a band can transition styles very rapidly and still make all the parts kick ass, those are my favorites.
The thing about "pizza thrash" as some people like to put it, is that it isn't a purely metal genre. It's crossover. An equal parts punk and metal formula that to me has more to do with DRI than say, Slayer. The only reason it gets called "pizza thrash" rather than "crossover" is because of the lyrical content of the songs, which to me is pretty fucking stupid. So obviously if you like your thrash to be 100% metal then you're not going to dig the pizza bands.
Seeeeee...
I actually like a heavy helping of punk in my thrash (which is funny in and of itself since you only got thrash by dumping heavy helpings of punk on NWOBHM bands) - the whole crossover thing was huge for me - but from where I stand, what most of these pizza bands are doing is less "punk influence" and more "not playing so good".
post by Randy_Marsh kehd at May 19,2010 3:09am
pizza thrash, an premature offset approach to real thrash metal...real thrash metal being slayer, testament, kreator.
but unlike the predecessors, pizza thrash has to be family friendly. just good ol' family fun.........for the kehds.
post by Gabe Horn nli at May 19,2010 6:49am
This thread is awesome.
post by kingthrasher at May 19,2010 9:46am
hey fuck you guys who think you can dictate what thrash is.
post by Jonahathome at May 19,2010 9:54am
Come argue about it at our show with Ingrowing on may 25th
Whoever said pizza thrash = family-friendly "not playing so good" crossover, sounds right to me.
calzone crossover?
post by DestroyYouAlot at May 19,2010 11:29am edited May 19,2010 11:30am
To most thrash fans, the “big four” consists of Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax and Slayer. To the unsuspecting passerby of a thrash fan, the “big four” consists of indescribable odor, questionable stains, yellow teeth and unkempt lice infested hair.
No neo thrasher would be complete without his “kutte” or “battlejacket” or “smelly vest with way too many patches”. The kutte is the thrash equivalent of a TGI Fridays waitress vest, the more flare the merrier. Spending endless hours scouring ebay for patches and bedazzler replacement parts, he hardly has any time at the end of the day to watch any of his 80’s VHS troma movies. On a number of occasions his mother has snuck into his bedroom in the basement in an attempt to febreze his beloved battlejacket, but has ultimately failed as it seems he never removes the vile vest.
Stuck without a job, a futon covered in beer cans, a Metallica with short hair, a boom box that eats cassettes and a shower that hasn’t felt his presence in months, the Neo Thrasher seems to be at his lowest. Fortunately there is a kegger behind the abandoned gas station this Friday.
Wait, you saw Matt, Josh? How can I get in touch with that kid, any idea? I dont see him at ANY shows I expect him too, even the Providence shows. I'm assuming he's still with mom and dad in West Warwick as he's kinda tapped but I love and miss that kid.
And thank you: Betrayal played 2 KILLER shows. That one at the Green Room with Toxic Holocaust and Avskum and another at the Safari Lounge (oh the good old days) with Esuriem and Deathamphetamine..
yeah, Matt's in DESOLATE WIND. pounded the fuck out of the skins! That Toxic Holocaust show was great, right after the release of Evil Never Dies-like 50 people there, Joel still had merch with that impact computer type font logo.
Whoever said pizza thrash = family-friendly "not playing so good" crossover, sounds right to me.
yeah, these are all dead on.
again, any show that is giving beer/pizza away to people like walmart stickers or free drinks in vegas, is totally false. it's in the same league as pay to play.
very similar to the classic case of, fucking fat chicks vs. riding a moped
post by Slag NLI at May 19,2010 2:59pm
I would never fuck a moped while riding a fat chick.
Whoever said pizza thrash = family-friendly "not playing so good" crossover, sounds right to me.
yeah, these are all dead on.
again, any show that is giving beer/pizza away to people like walmart stickers or free drinks in vegas, is totally false. it's in the same league as pay to play.
very similar to the classic case of, fucking fat chicks vs. riding a moped
i fail to see whats wrong with free pizza and beer.
Yes, people looking for certain things out of a specific style of music...the thought is reviling, isn't it.
It is if it's evil, which... enough, already. There are more than enough evil bands. If you roll together all the radioactive skate shark pizza zombie thrash Exodus clones, you still wouldn't have half the number of bands with an inverted crucifix in their logo.
The thing about "pizza thrash" as some people like to put it, is that it isn't a purely metal genre. It's crossover. An equal parts punk and metal formula that to me has more to do with DRI than say, Slayer. The only reason it gets called "pizza thrash" rather than "crossover" is because of the lyrical content of the songs, which to me is pretty fucking stupid. So obviously if you like your thrash to be 100% metal then you're not going to dig the pizza bands.
Seeeeee...
I actually like a heavy helping of punk in my thrash (which is funny in and of itself since you only got thrash by dumping heavy helpings of punk on NWOBHM bands) - the whole crossover thing was huge for me - but from where I stand, what most of these pizza bands are doing is less "punk influence" and more "not playing so good".
haha, personally, if I'm in a thrash mood, I EXPECT it to not be PG-rated, well-played, and with a sense of fucking conviction. You hear a few thrash songs and you hear them all - I'm not looking for genius composition or anything, I want an outlet to vent. I thought that was the reason metal came around? Call me old-fashioned. I just don't like the wave of Municipal Waste bands (I.E. http://www.myspace.com/pizzafaceband).
I'm all for a good time - and if I want to listen to happy music, I won't look in my metal collection. Some people like the taste of shit, fine by me. I'll keep listening to Tapping the Vein...
I never really go out of my way to listen to happy thrash because what is that, but I only listen to thrash when I'm in a good mood. If I'm pissed or depressed about something I can't listen to thrash, or metal in general.
Call me old-fashioned. I just don't like the wave of Municipal Waste bands (I.E. http://www.myspace.com/pizzafaceband).
GAAAAAAAAAHHH HATE
Can't fucking believe that Jeff put out that record. He's all up on their shit. Worst part is, their excuse is that they're being IRONIC. That they're a PARODY of MW. (Y'know, the self-consciously ironic thrash parody act.) It's postmodern pizza party thrash. Like that makes everything cool.
the still yet (and most likely never) to be released ep slayed if i don't say so myself...
and fuckin right on betrayal. saw that pvd show with TH in 04. fucking killer shit. need more aggressive, hateful, and evil thrash bands. most of the new stuff is just too upbeat for mu taste.
yea it's funny how all you like dictating what thrash is and what thrash isn't. maybe there's all sorts of thrash and maybe some shit is overdone. keep dictating
post by wheresyourcrownkingthrasher at May 20,2010 9:10am
yea it's funny how all you like dictating what thrash is and what thrash isn't. maybe there's all sorts of thrash and maybe some shit is overdone. keep dictating
personally i tend to dig the new bands that are mixing thrash with other genres rather than the straight up "thrash revival" type bands...unless it's done really well (see: razormaze).
i like humor in my metal so i like some of the less "evil" bands... most of the newer thrash bands (especially the evil/serious ones) just seem like a weak imitation of past greats. attn: warbringer... you are not demolition hammer, quit trying. but it's definitely become a trend that has spawned many shit bands (pizza thrash or not)...but then again so does any musical movement/genre so it's not surprising.
I love pizza... this thread makes me hungry. Someone give me a True Speed Of Steel album. Time to n(m?)osh.
Also, since Powerstance was brought up, when's their demo coming out? I want to add them to Metal Archives, but can't seeing as they have nothing hard out yet.
yea so i went to one of the best shows of my life the other night and it was pure thrash. anyone who argues against it is a moron. thrash is thrash is thrash. fuck all you people calling this shit pizza thrash. anthrax was having fun in the 80s too when we were all in diapers watching sesame street. real thrash is alive and well in new england and anyone who argues doesn't know what they are talking about. YOU CAN'T DICTATE WHAT A GENRE IS
Anthrax were no less serious than other thrash bands of the time. And they are also bad ass so give them a fucking break. And what's wrong with new thrash? It's no more generic/uninspired/silly than Black Metal bands that wear corpse paint and steal Emperor riffs from 1995, or Death Metal bands that only sing about raping things and steal Cannibal Corpse Riffs from 1995. What's the problem? Wrong decade?
Originality is key within art. Music is art. Ergo, only original sounding metal bands are real. Goes for all genres. As time goes on, originality is harder to come by.
Not necessarily saying every unoriginal bands that "worship" other bands aren't good. Just stating the obvious, with fancy ass-talk.
Hey man I agree with you totally, I'm just needlessly pointing out the rampant hypocrisy on internet forums.
post by Kadoog-a-go-go at Sep 30,2010 4:36pm
Hot damn.
"Thrash" to me has always been the same as the word "punk". It's a feeling, a vibe, an overall THING that really is hard to nail down, less so, I think, than grind or death metal or what-have-you.
Watchmaker was one of the thrashiest bands that ever lived, but they sounded nothing like __________ or ___________ from your favorite 2-year-span of "thrash".
That said, I am not a fan of a lot of the "pizza thrash" or "party thrash" or whatever, mostly because they do seem very hipster/scenester-ish, in that they all gotta have the right retro clothing and be seen in the right faded Maiden t-shirts when they go to/play shows for their equally "metal-chic" friends, who, as Jawshy said, are probably REALLY there for the free keg beer, on top of scoring scene points.
Spend 'em wisely, kids.
BUT, fuck it all, 'cause there's almost as much posturing in every other little genre/scene/show/clique/venue/life.
pizza thrash makes a great soundtrack to spaghetti westerns
post by Czarnobog at Sep 30,2010 4:51pm edited Sep 30,2010 7:45pm
not totally my thing but i can appreciate a good, fast driving riff so i'm ok with alot of "retro thrash" bands on a musical level. i just can't get into the vocals. they're always either kinda whiny anthrax or megadeth style vocals (sorry alex!) or drunk homeless person (sorry jonah!). i like vocalists to sound like they just gargled with broken glass.
I don't know spit about Boston thrash and only read like the first dozen or so posts in this thread, but with that said....my favorite newer thrash band:
that song was fucking retarded. and an oxymoron in itself. i see more posers in the pit than anywhere else at a show. who's more concerned about "trying to look cool" than some dickhead trying to "rule tha pit yo yo dude guy"?
post by dertoxnli at Oct 1,2010 8:11am
i think thats the point of the video, i guess youtube needs a sarcasm meter
i listened to it twice and im pretty sure the song was referring to those of us who don't go to a show to have some sweaty bed bug ridden moron rub up against us. im no stranger to sarcasm.
the internet dates back VERY FAR. get used to the internet...its here to stay.
post by sir coughsalot at Oct 1,2010 8:17am
what in gods name are you babbling about mike?
post by eddnlie at Oct 1,2010 8:50am
Its been the same faces at shows for the last 7 years(probably more, but i've only been going for 7 years). And in another 7 years it will probably be the same 20-30 people going to shows.
Point is fads come and go. This is a fad. remember numetal and metalcore? yeah same idea.
yea so i went to one of the best shows of my life the other night and it was pure thrash. anyone who argues against it is a moron. thrash is thrash is thrash. fuck all you people calling this shit pizza thrash. anthrax was having fun in the 80s too when we were all in diapers watching sesame street. real thrash is alive and well in new england and anyone who argues doesn't know what they are talking about. YOU CAN'T DICTATE WHAT A GENRE IS
On the scale of mental ability, "pizza thrash" is just above "beer crust" and slightly below "Moxie Punk". Contrary to popular belief, "pizza crust" is not a real form of music, nor is it something you should accept from strangers.
Contrary to popular belief, "pizza crust" is not a real form of music, nor is it something you should accept from strangers.
I smiled pleasantly.
post by THE THRASH POLICE at Oct 7,2010 3:31am
EATING A DICK IN THE NUCLEAR WASTELAND
MUTUALLY ASSURED TOXIC BLOODSTORM
THERE IS NO NEED FOR A SOCIOPOLITICAL BAN
THRASH POLICE IS THE ALPHA AND OMEGA
AIIIIIIIIGHHHHHHTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!
PALE RIDERS OF TROLLING HORROR ASSORTED FLESH PARTS BROILING
THERMONUCLEAR SLUDGE ERUPTS FROM THE BLEEDING CRUST OF EARTH
ENTER THE TECHNOLOGICAL NIGHTMARE, THERE IS NO ESCAPE FROM THE ELECTRIC EYE
A DESOLATE PLAIN STREWN CYBORG SOLDIERS SHATTERED
THE THRASH POLICE RIDE TRIUMPHANT THROUGH THE ARCH MADE OF SINEW AND STEEL
DEVOURING CARCASS OF INEQUITY FEASTING UPON UNDETONATED WARHEADS
FLAMES LICK THE VAULT OF HEAVEN WHILE THE ONE EYED KING VOMITS BLOOD
CHOKING ON BILE AND NUCLEAR WASTE, FLOWING FROM THE FONT OF NARZRTIUHTH
INVASION OF DEATH, PESTILENT WAVES OF MERCURY, CHOKING DEATH IS THE ONLY RESPITE
FALLOUT WASTE DITCH
BUBBLING REMNANTS OF LIFE
PREHISTORIC BIOWAR
THE FACEHUGGER TROGLOBITE
BREASTROKING THROUGH PLUTONIUM
A MUTATION FROM MENGELE'S WET DREAM
NUCLEAR HORSESHOE CRAB
CHELICERATA NIGHTMARE UNLEASHED ON THE OBLAST
BRUTANIC WAR MACHINE CRUSHING THE OPPOSITION
CHEMICAL WARFARE CHOKING YOUR LUNGS
THE DOOMSDAY CLOCK STRIKES ZERO
AIIIIIGHHHT!!!!!!!!!
GEOPOLITICAL MIND RAPING INSANITY
BOILING OIL UPON THE CELESTIAL THRONE
AIIIIIGHHHT!!!!!!!
ABORTED CHRIST HANGING FROM THE CROSS
FETAL TISSUE FLAPPING IN THE WIND
VICTIM OF THE FIRESTORM APOCALYPSE A DESOLATE PLAIN RAPED OF LIFE
AIIIIIIIIGHHHHTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!
FEDERALISM OR STATES RIGHTS
THE DECISION IS NOT YOURS BUT THE GEARS OF MACHINERY
THE MACHINERY IS MAN, THE GREATEST THREAT
OR WAS IT A CORPORATION?
EITHER WAY IT IS SOMETHING BIOMECHANICAL
AND OOZING BIOWASTE, BILE, BLOOD, ETC.
Flesh melting thermonuclear hell storm
The christian blood boils at ground zero
AIIIIIGHHTTTTTT!
BIOMECHANICAL TECHNOLOGICAL FLESH RIPPING MONSTROSITY
THE PRIEST SCREAMS IN AGONY, PISSING BLOOD AND PLUTONIUM
AIIIIIIIIGHT!
REDUCED TO A FETID POOL OF BIOWASTE
CHENEY PEELS HIS SKIN OFF IN CHUNKS
THE GRINDING PROGRESS OF TIME IS TOO MUCH FOR HIS PACEMAKER
IRRATIATED BILE FLOWS FROM THE ALTAR
REAGAN SUFFOCATES UNDER A BLANKET OF FALLOUT
AIIIIIIIIIIGHT!
THERMONUCLEAR PHALLUS EMANATES TOXIC CUM
THE MAN SLUDGE DISSOLVES NANCY REAGAN'S HEAD IN A SHOWER OF NANCY REAGAN RED!
AIIIIIGHT!!!!!!
