I ask this periodically, but the same old bag of tricks isn't working.
Surely, somebody that plays drums, listens to Young Widows and Botch, and lives withing 20 miles of Boston is out there. WTF do I have to do to rope them in?
Nick,
I don't want you to take this the wrong way.... i luv u guys. But maybe at this point people associate you're band with the drummers you've had, the styles they've had, etc. Maybe try changing the name? Also i know it turns a lot of people off to hear that you aim for 30 second songs.
Nick,
I don't want you to take this the wrong way.... i luv u guys. But maybe at this point people associate you're band with the drummers you've had, the styles they've had, etc. Maybe try changing the name? Also i know it turns a lot of people off to hear that you aim for 30 second songs.
But i do luv ya.
Hey no offense taken, I appreciate your honesty.
Maybe we DO need to start thinking outside the box like this. I'll have to sit with it a bit.
yeah what jim said. just IMO as a drummer, someone working on his chops for years to play fast like botch or something usually wouldn't want to blow 30 second loads, even for grind. i'm turned off by that but that's just me. i have no idea how to help you out. i'm not sure how people find us. i've never had to find a drummer. i only know a handful, and even less that can play fast.
most drummers aren't songwriters or musicians, but they expect the other musicians to be mindreaders and write riffs that they want to play. also, we hate moving our drumsets, and we hate waiting around for guitarists to do stupid shit like tune up and write music.
i don't know how bands deal with us. just use a drum machine.
I ask this periodically, but the same old bag of tricks isn't working.
Surely, somebody that plays drums, listens to Young Widows and Botch, and lives withing 20 miles of Boston is out there. WTF do I have to do to rope them in?
Honestly, HONESTLY, HONESTLY...go to shows, and chat up/steal drummers that tickle your fancy.
Living in Providence and really seeing how sort of whorish this music scene is has made me realize how many different people play in different bands.
Also, lotsofnoise.com is decent to make connects, if not to necessarily find someone. You'd have better luck since you're close to Boston maybe going to a shitton of shows and meeting peeps. I really can't see any other way to do it.
The thing that turns me off about wanting to drum for your band aside from the fact that I don't have a set anymore is that it seems like you're trying to mash way too many influences into one band. Nothing really seems to stick or make sense. Other people might be thinking the same thing... just my two cents.
The thing that turns me off about wanting to drum for your band aside from the fact that I don't have a set anymore is that it seems like you're trying to mash way too many influences into one band. Nothing really seems to stick or make sense. Other people might be thinking the same thing... just my two cents.
You're absolutely right, but that's what I'm going for.
I ask this periodically, but the same old bag of tricks isn't working.
Surely, somebody that plays drums, listens to Young Widows and Botch, and lives withing 20 miles of Boston is out there. WTF do I have to do to rope them in?
Honestly, HONESTLY, HONESTLY...go to shows, and chat up/steal drummers that tickle your fancy.
Living in Providence and really seeing how sort of whorish this music scene is has made me realize how many different people play in different bands.
Also, lotsofnoise.com is decent to make connects, if not to necessarily find someone. You'd have better luck since you're close to Boston maybe going to a shitton of shows and meeting peeps. I really can't see any other way to do it.
I ask this periodically, but the same old bag of tricks isn't working.
Surely, somebody that plays drums, listens to Young Widows and Botch, and lives withing 20 miles of Boston is out there. WTF do I have to do to rope them in?
Honestly, HONESTLY, HONESTLY...go to shows, and chat up/steal drummers that tickle your fancy.
Living in Providence and really seeing how sort of whorish this music scene is has made me realize how many different people play in different bands.
Also, lotsofnoise.com is decent to make connects, if not to necessarily find someone. You'd have better luck since you're close to Boston maybe going to a shitton of shows and meeting peeps. I really can't see any other way to do it.
Well honestly Nick, you're answering your own question with this statement. If naked city was trying out drummers in boston, how many drummers do you think would try out? Very, very few. Not because the music isn't awesome, but because it's so different, and all over the place, and technically demanding that it's a super small group of people that would listen to it, never mind listen to it, play the instrument well enough, and have the time to do it.
yep. most drummers don't care to get too technical/eclectic unless they're actually a real drummer that eats rudiments every meal of the day. *glares...*
I don't know your specific situation, but as a drummer, I see the same things over and over again- and here are my conclusions. Of course there are exceptions, but I think they're accurate for most situations...
For newer bands who have never had a steady drummer- so many people put the carriage before the horse. One or two guitarists write a bunch of music and expect to plug in a drummer. The further along the process you get, the more rigid the musical style gets and harder it becomes to find a match.
Lets be honest here- 99% of metal bands can plug in a bassist. Most metal bands can plug in a vocalist. It's very rare that a metal band can plug in a drummer and make it work- musically and personally. If you can't find a drummer for what you've written, despite networking and truly being diligent, the problem is usually the material in some way. That's hard for a lot of guitarists to hear, but that's the impersonal judgment a drummer who doesn't know you will make.
If you've developed a dedicated following, (don't kid yourself), you'll have interested drummers because they see the band is going somewhere. I think most musicians will step out for a band that is already going somewhere even if it's not currently ideal. Ask yourself: If you had a reputable label and a full US tour waiting, how much easier would it be to find someone?
For bands who have lost a drummer but can't find a new drummer, it's a similar situation. Unless you're at least a semi-pro band (signed, touring 3+ months a year) you're not going to find a clone of the last drummer you had. So many bands refuse to take a step back and open themselves up to change to find a new drummer. Your riffs may sound like _____ and your last drummer may have sounded like ______, but that's gone. Unless your music influenced other players, that sound is gone. If you're going to play the "but I think we sound like ____, and everybody loves them" card, then it's the material's fault. Accept it, take a step back, and open yourself to change.
The bottom line is that you have to progress based on what's out there and not a list of what you want in a drummer for what you already have going. And yes, if a band has a goofy name, I won't even consider them.
post by cav nli at Jan 22,2010 6:29pm
i just think they are all intimidated by your sexiness
all the ideas are good... between hyeo, fuck everyone, and crippling fear. maybe combine all of them? pick whatever name for it you like and set out to put together a new band with all the different influences in one. you can use old songs from all bands, possibly arrange them a little differently, and maybe get something more intricate and more interesting.
after all, if you wanna sound like crusty naked city, then you're not helping yourself by being so specific with each band... you should get rid of the specifics and the genres and just play what you want to hear.
you might
get more people to audition with a flyer that says "wanted: drummer for metal band" than with what you've been passing out (or at least the one i got when considered trying it... later realizing that i'm a bass player, and a flawed musician, percussively speaking) asking people for blast beats and fast double bass specifically.
you should ask kyle, the big dude that works the door/sound at obriens if you haven't already. if you have, i have no help to offer.
I don't know your specific situation, but as a drummer, I see the same things over and over again- and here are my conclusions. Of course there are exceptions, but I think they're accurate for most situations...
For newer bands who have never had a steady drummer- so many people put the carriage before the horse. One or two guitarists write a bunch of music and expect to plug in a drummer. The further along the process you get, the more rigid the musical style gets and harder it becomes to find a match.
Lets be honest here- 99% of metal bands can plug in a bassist. Most metal bands can plug in a vocalist. It's very rare that a metal band can plug in a drummer and make it work- musically and personally. If you can't find a drummer for what you've written, despite networking and truly being diligent, the problem is usually the material in some way. That's hard for a lot of guitarists to hear, but that's the impersonal judgment a drummer who doesn't know you will make.
If you've developed a dedicated following, (don't kid yourself), you'll have interested drummers because they see the band is going somewhere. I think most musicians will step out for a band that is already going somewhere even if it's not currently ideal. Ask yourself: If you had a reputable label and a full US tour waiting, how much easier would it be to find someone?
For bands who have lost a drummer but can't find a new drummer, it's a similar situation. Unless you're at least a semi-pro band (signed, touring 3+ months a year) you're not going to find a clone of the last drummer you had. So many bands refuse to take a step back and open themselves up to change to find a new drummer. Your riffs may sound like _____ and your last drummer may have sounded like ______, but that's gone. Unless your music influenced other players, that sound is gone. If you're going to play the "but I think we sound like ____, and everybody loves them" card, then it's the material's fault. Accept it, take a step back, and open yourself to change.
The bottom line is that you have to progress based on what's out there and not a list of what you want in a drummer for what you already have going. And yes, if a band has a goofy name, I won't even consider them.
tyler has a good suggestion i think. stop trying to do 4 different bands focusing on such specific niche styles of grind and incorporate them into one concrete project.
i think my main reservation from trying out for you guys on drums other than the fact that i am already in more than one band, is the fact that not everyone is going to fit right in with that style immediately.
im personally more of a death drummer than grind, but i always learn and adapt to what it is that i want to do, if you were to be more open to allow drummers that are interested to try out and learn it, rather than waiting for that someone who fits right in cuz they play nothing but grind
this isnt an attack, but i had sent you guys a message about 4 or 5 months ago and didnt get a reply, im guessing it was cuz i openly admitted that i was more of a death metal drummer and didnt have as much experience with grind, but at the same time, i wasnt a death metal drummer at one point, and all it took was determination and practice
tyler has a good suggestion i think. stop trying to do 4 different bands focusing on such specific niche styles of grind and incorporate them into one concrete project.
i think my main reservation from trying out for you guys on drums other than the fact that i am already in more than one band, is the fact that not everyone is going to fit right in with that style immediately.
im personally more of a death drummer than grind, but i always learn and adapt to what it is that i want to do, if you were to be more open to allow drummers that are interested to try out and learn it, rather than waiting for that someone who fits right in cuz they play nothing but grind
this isnt an attack, but i had sent you guys a message about 4 or 5 months ago and didnt get a reply, im guessing it was cuz i openly admitted that i was more of a death metal drummer and didnt have as much experience with grind, but at the same time, i wasnt a death metal drummer at one point, and all it took was determination and practice
I never got this message. I just went through my entire email account.
i think my main reservation from trying out for you guys on drums other than the fact that i am already in more than one band, is the fact that not everyone is going to fit right in with that style immediately.
im personally more of a death drummer than grind, but i always learn and adapt to what it is that i want to do, if you were to be more open to allow drummers that are interested to try out and learn it, rather than waiting for that someone who fits right in cuz they play nothing but grind
this isnt an attack, but i had sent you guys a message about 4 or 5 months ago and didnt get a reply, im guessing it was cuz i openly admitted that i was more of a death metal drummer and didnt have as much experience with grind, but at the same time, i wasnt a death metal drummer at one point, and all it took was determination and practice
I never got this message. I just went through my entire email account.
You sure you sent it to the right place?
i sent the message to your myspace page way back when, that may have been my error
I'm glad that you just missed his message.. before i saw that you posted that i was thinking "you'll DEFINITELY find more drummers if you respond to their emails."
I think you've gotten a LOT of really good honest answers here. Which is more sincerity than most threads ever get on RTTP. So take that to heart, take some of this advice, and good luck.
post by anonymous at Feb 4,2010 5:12pm
I'd suggest chatting up local drum teachers, and see if they can recommend one of their students. Usually teachers are aware of their students' tastes, and can point you in the right direction.
Just an idea that comes to mind.
post by douchebag_patrol_2 at Feb 6,2010 11:35pm edited Feb 6,2010 11:35pm
im sort of in the same boat as Alex as far as being more of a death metal drummer. i have fun jamming with you guys but im not really a grind guy/drummer.
