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returntothepit >> discuss >> its time to wipe North Korea off of the planet by Yeti on Apr 2,2009 10:45am
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toggletoggle post by Yeti at Apr 2,2009 10:45am



toggletoggle post by reimroc at Apr 2,2009 10:56am
i do believe it is time....



toggletoggle post by Nightbringer Morningstar, Sodomizer of Christ at Apr 2,2009 11:22am
Good luck. They have impunity. It's called being on China's border. You mess around in North Korea, and ten million Chinese coming running over the border with AK-47s.



toggletoggle post by goatcatalyst   at Apr 2,2009 11:25am
I'll take three North Korean slaves, please and thank you.

To quote the great Sardu, "Can't say I'm not doing my bit for the economy."



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Apr 2,2009 11:44am
Fuck these motherfuckers, bomb their faggot ass famine-ridden gulag nation ahead to the stone age. Everything north of the DMZ deserves to be turned into glass.



toggletoggle post by DYA NLI at Apr 2,2009 12:09pm
I'm ronery, so ronery... So ronery and sadry arone.



toggletoggle post by reimroc at Apr 2,2009 12:11pm
DYA%20NLI said[orig][quote]
I'm ronery, so ronery... So ronery and sadry arone.





toggletoggle post by Yeti at Apr 2,2009 12:45pm
just send in Mattias Nilsson with unlimited access to Allied Supply Drops.



toggletoggle post by Col. Campbell at Apr 2,2009 12:50pm
Snake?!? SNAAAAAAAAAKE!!!



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Apr 2,2009 1:11pm
Millions of Dead Gooks



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Apr 2,2009 6:14pm edited Apr 2,2009 6:15pm
such bullshit.

We have no place in this. Let Japan protect their own airspace.

Maybe stop placing sanctions on Korea and starving their people and they won't look at the 1st world with such militant hostility.



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Apr 2,2009 6:26pm
reimroc said[orig][quote]


Jump to the rhythm jump jump to the rhythm jump.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Apr 2,2009 6:29pm edited Apr 2,2009 6:30pm
Juche and Sŏn'gun fosters militant hostility at the first world and also does a great job of starving the North Korean people.

North Korea is a huge recipient of foreign aid and funding from South Korean industry operating in North Korea. Sanctions aren't doing shit to the people of North Korea, it's their own government and it's insane urges to build massive public works monuments to their god king.



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Apr 2,2009 7:34pm edited Apr 2,2009 7:39pm
Up to 3.5m people have died of starvation in North Korea since 1995 and up to 300,000 have fled over the border to China, a Seoul-based charity says.


Congressman Tony Hall; "There's a tremendous humanitarian problem"
And a United States congressman just back from North Korea hints at the possibility that Pyongyang could shelve plans for the launch of a new long-range missile in exchange for food.

The Buddhist charity Good Friends has based its estimates on interviews with over 1,000 North Koreans living illegally in three provinces in China.



Children and women are suffering particularly
It estimates that there are at least a 140,000 refugees who have fled to China in search of food, and says that the figure could reach 300,000.

They face being sent back to North Korea, where they are likely to be punished for leaving.

The charity's president, the Venerable Pomnyun, said at the launch of their report, based on analysis of the interviews with refugees, that the death toll from the famine in the North had to be estimated at 3.5m people since 1995.

"With a few exceptions among high officials and a few others who have adjusted to the acute social changes, most ordinary citizens are suffering from serious malnutrition and dying from various diseases," the report says.

Reliable figures hard to come by

The charity's estimates are the highest yet.

Accurate statistics are very difficult to obtain from the isolated country. Foreigners are denied access to most parts.



North Korea released this picture of last year's missile
Estimates are therefore often based on official North Korean figures. But experts disagree on whether North Korea's government uses artificially inflated figures in order to attract foreign help, or whether the regime tries to downplay the crisis by keeping the statistics unrealistically low.

Pyongyang puts the death toll at 220,000. South Korea's national statistics office last week estimated that about 270,000 people have starved to death between 1995 and 1998.

According to figures published by the US Congress earlier this year a total of 2m North Koreans have died of famine and related illnesses since 1995.

Good Friends dismissed the South Korean government's figures as "absolutely wrong.

"The government's incorrect estimation leads to incorrect policy towards helping the citizens in North Korea," Mr Pommyun said. "Providing food and medicine for the North Koreans is necessary."

Female suffering

The report says, the famine puts a particular burden on women who are often in sole charge of providing food for their families.

Female refugees are sold to Chinese men for as little as $2.50 and sometimes beaten by their new spouses, according to the charity.

"The fact that women are being sold like dogs is devastating," said a female food refugee in a video shown at the presentation of the report.

"I came with the intention of earning money in China and returning to North Korea for my father, but I couldn't go back to my homeland, even though my husband constantly beat me, as I now have a child."

Famine could offer chance for diplomacy

North Korea's ability to stave off famine has been hampered by five years of flooding. The cumulative effects of floods, combined with inefficient food production, has lead to a stagnation in the country's ability to deal with famine.



Deputy Foreign Minister Kim: 'Response in good faith'
Pyongyang is largely dependent on foreign aid to feed its population.

United States Congressman Tony Hall, a Democrat from Ohio, sees the famine as a chance to prevent North Korea from launching another long-range missile, a prospect that has raised concerns in the region.

North Korea is believed to prepare a test of an advanced version of a long-range missile it fired over Japan last year.

Mr Hall, who just finished a fact-finding mission to the country, said North Korean Deputy Foreign Minister Kim Gye-gwan urged the US to lift economic sanctions.

'Best opportunity in years'

"If the United States lifts sanctions, we will certainly respond with good faith," Mr Kim was quoted as saying by the congressman.

"This is the best opportunity we've had in years to ease tensions in this region," Mr Hall said.

He also said the North Korean government was looking forward to negotiations next month in Berlin where Mr Kim and Charles Kartman, the US special envoy for Korean affairs, will meet from 7 - 11 September. The missile crisis is certain to be at the top of the agenda there.

bbc



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Apr 2,2009 7:37pm
BobNOMAAMRooney said[orig][quote]
Juche and Sŏn'gun fosters militant hostility at the first world and also does a great job of starving the North Korean people.

North Korea is a huge recipient of foreign aid and funding from South Korean industry operating in North Korea. Sanctions aren't doing shit to the people of North Korea, it's their own government and it's insane urges to build massive public works monuments to their god king.


South Korea halted aid as it is waiting for North Korea to ask for it. South Korea has a new conservative government that is critical of North Korea, so the poor are suffering as governments hash out their ego contest.


In the past, North Koreans who escaped to China or South Korea reported cannibalism during particularly difficult food shortages.

source: cnn



toggletoggle post by RyanPlegics  at Apr 2,2009 8:28pm
goatcatalyst said[orig][quote]
I'll take three North Korean slaves, please and thank you.

To quote the great Sardu, "Can't say I'm not doing my bit for the economy."


"Put her to work in the toilets. Her mouth will make an interesting urinal."

Good call.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Apr 2,2009 8:38pm edited Apr 2,2009 8:39pm
Even when North Korea receives foreign aid (such as in 2005 when it was the second largest recipient of foreign assistance, or the nearly half billion dollars it gets yearly from China) it is not going to the "poor" citizens.

And South Koreans voted in that conservative government because the previous government's appeasement through "Sunshine Policy" only served to enrich the junta in Pyongyang, financially and through propaganda gains. It was always a one way street, with South Korea making concession after concession and pouring billions of dollars into bridges to nowhere while North Korea continued its complete repression of even the most basic human rights and did nothing to remedy the famines brought about by its own failed policies.



toggletoggle post by Dankill at Apr 2,2009 10:29pm
BobNOMAAMRooney said[orig][quote]
Even when North Korea receives foreign aid (such as in 2005 when it was the second largest recipient of foreign assistance, or the nearly half billion dollars it gets yearly from China) it is not going to the "poor" citizens.

And South Koreans voted in that conservative government because the previous government's appeasement through "Sunshine Policy" only served to enrich the junta in Pyongyang, financially and through propaganda gains. It was always a one way street, with South Korea making concession after concession and pouring billions of dollars into bridges to nowhere while North Korea continued its complete repression of even the most basic human rights and did nothing to remedy the famines brought about by its own failed policies.


Fact.
North Korea is the last insane Stalinist goverment on the planet. You can not trust one thing they say or do because they lie and cheat with everything. They do not give a rats ass about their own people and will do anything humanly possible to keep their grip on power via a cult of personality state that makes 1984 look like Disneyland.
We could do every single thing they demand and they will never change and will still systematicly starve, kill and enslave as many people as they want in order to accomplish whatever lunatic ideas that enter Kim Jong Ill's mind. They operate under the pretense of BLACKMAIL. They amass huge armies, rockets and artillery and threaten to attack and blow up things unless we give them food and money. This food and money is then given to the ruling elite and the military. Even if it's true that the US and South Korean military could beat the North Koreans, no one wants a war to happen because of how much damage would be caused in a short amount of time. It's a suicide pact that the North Koreans know would mean their end, so they'll take as many down with them as possible. Within the first day, Seoul would be trashed by a rain of artillery and surface to surface missles lined up and down the DMZ. The third largest economy in asia would come to a total halt and stock markets around the world would shit the bed. The casualties would be in the hundreds of thousands on both sides in a matter of days, not even counting when the North Korean civilians starve and are forced to fight at gunpoint in human waves like it's the Soviet Union in 1944. Then you'll get to find their gulags that are barely a step above places like Aushwitz.
I don't even think China would get involved in this fight because they barely even trust the North Koreans and don't want to risk being alienated by the West and lose any of the economic and political ground they've gained in the past 20 years.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Apr 14,2009 3:17pm



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Apr 14,2009 3:22pm
Actually, all N. Korea seems to be doing at this point is trying to make sure they can defend themselves in case some kind of extreme globalization occurs in which they'd have to give up any ability to govern or protect themselves. This reality is not far.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Apr 14,2009 3:29pm
yeah if you read what's going on without considering how they have been all along i could agree with that. they are just creating unnecessary waves.



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Apr 14,2009 4:16pm
With all respect, though, we're the only ones to ever use nuclear weapons but we're always the first to say "NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT!"

North Korea's like the misunderstood goth kid of the world. Everybody expects the worst when they see him tinkering around with something they're afraid of.

P.S. The way our country is being run is far more dangerous than a small country dickin around with missiles. There's no way N. Korea could possibly think they could actually stand a chance against the world if they were to use any of the technology they are discovering for malicious purposes.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Apr 14,2009 4:18pm
they'd stand a good chance with china on their side.



toggletoggle post by BILLY MAYS HERE /w RTTP FAGS at Apr 14,2009 5:11pm


KIM JONG == EPIC TROLL.



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Apr 14,2009 6:28pm
dreadkill said[orig][quote]
they'd stand a good chance with china on their side.


and with china on their side we can't say anything or they'll start breaking millions of knuckles to get their money back.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at May 28,2009 10:06am
as an update to this situation (not sure how many of you watch/care about world news) but North Korea successfully tested a nuke underground over the weekend, and is also backing out of the 1953 agreement.
they claim to be preparing themselves for a US-led allied attack on their soil, which we rightfully deny.

this is basically them flexing their muscles while being on their last leg.

the only concern for me is that if we chose to do anything military-wise, then the repercussions could be dangerous, once china gets involved.

of course if threatened, our navy ships have no choice but to fight back.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 28,2009 10:40am
china is pioughed at them too.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at May 28,2009 10:51am
yes, but don't forget that china is prone to side with them if we are viewed as an aggressor. don't forget how china stole some of our military secrets from Los Alamos, teased/tested our navy out in the sea of japan, and do little sneaky things here and there.

can't trust em.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at May 28,2009 10:52am
one day we are all going to look in the sky and see massive amounts of parachues with little guys with black hair raining down. it's gonna be fun



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 28,2009 10:55am



toggletoggle post by darkwor  at May 28,2009 11:05am



toggletoggle post by metal_church101  at May 28,2009 11:09am
China owns us, thanks to all of our fuck head politicians (past and present) who sold us down the river.

If China sides with North Korea, obviously it will be a shit situation and then some.



toggletoggle post by SkinSandwich at May 28,2009 11:14am
PYONGYANGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 28,2009 11:15am
yeah, china doesn't need to invade the us.



toggletoggle post by darkwor  at May 28,2009 11:29am
US and China are economically dependent on one another. We will never go to war with them. North Korea practically does not exist, their army is a joke, equipped with Cold War-era Russian hardware. They do not have the financial backing to go to war (if they do, their economy will disappear, and so will their foreign aid), and their nuclear weapon(s) are weak; their recent underground nuke test registered a 4.5-5 on the Richter scale which is a third the strength of the Hiroshima bomb. It's all communist party propaganda. The facts are there - North Korea is a third-world country who's citizens deserve aid and should do something to overthrow their government...I want to see a coup on the news, it's been a while.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at May 28,2009 11:44am
Agreed with you Darkwor on most aspects, however, there will be a time where China feels like it doesn't need any economic support from the US and would be comfortable doing what they want. I'm not saying that's anytime soon, but we all know how things can't last forever. China has been rapidly growing as a powerful nation in the world and given the current rates - it could surpass the US as the world's hegemonic power sooner than we think.
Nobody wants a world war, but as history has shown, when things escalate and allies get involved, the "shit hits the fan."
The world is so unstable right now, anything drastic would result in a domino effect and affect relationships and alliances.
I would never disband the possibility of any war, given the unstable infrastructure of international politics.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at May 28,2009 11:47am
Oh, and North Korea?

They're weak, even though their army has a massive amount of people.

Just say if we DID invade them and their outdated technology, they'd still put a dent in our forces unless we have the correct strategy.

and Obama would never do anything like that.. right?



toggletoggle post by darkwor  at May 28,2009 12:12pm
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]

I would never disband the possibility of any war, given the unstable infrastructure of international politics.


True statement!

Our involvement in World War I and II was necessary though, nobody can deny that. I think if anything, China and US would get into a brutal cold war. Maybe that would mean a space race to Mars...haha.

The US? Invade? HA



toggletoggle post by xitsdoomsdayx at May 28,2009 12:14pm
obama=pussy
N. Korea=FTW
Someones going down. Most def. It will be N. korea. Yet someone somewhere will be nuked by them before they do, because the way shits going noones going to do shit,. untill something like that first happenes.

China wont side with N. korea, just on the fact we owe them so much fucken money, if they try to "throw down" thanx for the free money.
theres many other resons too, but i thought that was the coolest

Also in N. Korea everyone is part of the army. If the crazy fucker needs it he will have everyone fight. Cool fact
All and all, the slow extermination of N. korea has begun.



toggletoggle post by darkwor  at May 28,2009 12:35pm
1) Troops are impossible to control without morale (see France)
2) Yes, Obama will exhaust all diplomatic courses.
3) NK's nukes will be taken care of by our missle defense system if they don't fall into the Pacific first (which they will).
4) South Korea is awesome.



toggletoggle post by metal_church101  at May 28,2009 12:35pm
xitsdoomsdayx said[orig][quote]
obama=pussy
N. Korea=FTW
Someones going down. Most def. It will be N. korea. Yet someone somewhere will be nuked by them before they do, because the way shits going noones going to do shit,. untill something like that first happenes.



Good point.

Any one want to put wagers on who N. Korea is going to nuke first?



toggletoggle post by xitsdoomsdayx at May 28,2009 12:41pm
Japan, they have no missle deffence, im shur if there going to nuke something for the first time, theyd want to sucseed



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at May 28,2009 12:51pm
if somebody nuked japan again I'd be pretty pissed. japan = video games, technology, maxon pedals, women, cars, and culture.




toggletoggle post by Dankill at May 28,2009 8:53pm
xitsdoomsdayx said[orig][quote]
Japan, they have no missle deffence, im shur if there going to nuke something for the first time, theyd want to sucseed

Didn't we just sign a deal not long ago to set up a defence system for the Japanese?



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