sorry humping tom but i am bored sitting at home on the computer that i just got back on line 3 days ago and i didn't go to work but thanks for the advice. I'm not a Rttp pro like you so i didn't know that when you checked show listing it didn't go to a different message board it just came up as a little S in the corner. i bet you've posted a million fold more than me i just had a post filled day . i'm sure i'll not be posting for a while after this anyways . but nice observation rusty