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WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!
THERE'S AN INFERIOR IN CHARGE!!!!
NO MORE PALIN JOKES!!!!!
BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

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Covserve This

But Alex, he had such great arguments that would surely sway any voter away from this black man...

Maybe people read his posts backwards?

listen dudes, i don't wanna pop any bubbles here (or maybe i do) but obama will most likely do a shitty job.

being black and screaming "I Want Change" doesn't make the country better. if it did, the homeless population of Boston would have saved us all by now

but in all seriousness... Obama sucks just as much as McCain....i'm not happy about him winning, and i would not have been happy if McCain won.

but i do hope i am wrong, i'd like to see a change for the better.......i really doubt it'll happen though

DEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR to the people that think Obama will bring

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We hear this rhetoric every four years, and people still fall for it.

You see, I'm stuck in a rut. Some of my closest friends are Obama supporters/fanboys. I just can't bring myself to tell them they're fucking retarded idiots.

And then say the same to my friends that supported McCain.

Yeah I mean, if anything proves that nothing will change it's electing another crusty old white guy....


...oh wait.

Wow, usually he does not shut the fuck up, but now it is ~~~crickets~~~
for conservationist. Where is his big mouthed, copy and paste bullshit banter now?

He's in his underground bunker waiting for the race war.

Did anyone hear the back peddling speech that Obama gave?

This is exactly why I hate politicians and politics.

Pre-Election "CHANGE, NOW, CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE!!!!!"

Post-Election "Its gonna be a long hard road...it may not happen in one year, it may not happen in 1 term!"


Fuck, I hate politicians. Worse than used car salesman.

AND that MORON Jesse Jackson showed up...if I were Obama, I would stay as far away from that asshole as possible.

Anyone who believed the pre-election rhetoric is a moron...unfortunately, a lot of people are morons.

Pandering to retards is about 80% of politics. Every successful politician does it.

I hate being educated.

Jesse Jackson is a toolbag. I'm glad I haven't seen any of his bullshit interviews post obama. I have no problem with that dude as long as he keeps his filthy trap shut.

both obama and mccain's speech was the truf that would have lost/gain them the elections.

If you if listened to any of Obamas speeches, he has mentioned this numerous times over his campaign. The he would need help from the American People and that change would not be quick and easy.

Hoser's just bumsore that people like a darkie more than himself and what he believes.

You got him there......too bad he's been saying "Its gonna be a long hard road...it may not happen in one year, it may not happen in 1 term!" as long as I've known about him if you've heard any of his speeches at all. Not just post election as you stated.

If anything McCain backpedaled in his speech by not being a complete asshole.

I watched every debate....but never heard him say that. I'm not attacking Obama...I'm attacking politicians.

And I honestly could care less who won the election...I live in a blue state, so who wins doesn't really matter.

As long as I have the safety of my guns and the sanctity of the woods....I'm happy.

yeah but you totally made up what you said initially. obama never said "elect me president and the next day this country will be better"

i did notice him say in his speech "the change we can make in the months ahead." why did he say only months? is this going to be a real life deep impact?

actually...because the market responds to confidence, when he is sworn in the market is likely to look better. Which will buy him time.

a debate is not a campaign speech.

CHANGE:

Come
Help
A
Nigger
Get
Elected

Not racist, I just heard that a little while ago and found it hillarious.

simple minds, simple pleasures.

100% agreed.

did you read the whole thread? Do you disagree with the fact that his speeches have contained such material from the beginning? I am sure we could find some youtubes to back this up for ya.

... and anyways, i obviosusly don't agree with 98% of Convservationists' views, but i like him. He's a nice guy.

I'm just against pretty much all politicians, because all the ones that I know of lie through their teeth, Obama included.

I was also agreeing with his point on Jesse Jackson, that man is the definition of a hypocrite.

Don't you all want to wait a decade before laughing at anyone?

After all, it took nine years for Clinton's economic time bomb to land.

Obama will take his time to do damage, and you'll only get the real perspective in 50 years... when history will see anyone who voted for him as a self-destructive retard.

Thanks you sir. *applause*.

I've been spouting my mouth on Myspace today about how they both suck. People are celebrating like this guy is the Band-Aid for the world. Fast forward 4 years, we will still be in Iraq, he wants more troops in Afghanistan, gas will still have astronomical prices, jobs and economy will be shit. There is no "change" at hand. Just a smooth, more positive talker at the helm, while the same whites pull the strings

And I do appreciate Conservationist's posts.

you're right...all the other politicians, lobbyists, treasurers, bankers, ceos, etc. etc. won't have anything to do with it. are you sure you just don't want to blame a black president for something?

i'm guessing both of you were sure he wouldnt get elected in the first place too. just give the guy a chance.

I figured he would win actually, it being an "anyone but McCain" election. If there was a better candidate than the 2 (or a party with enough money to hang around) I would have voted for them. I voted for neither.

i knew he would win.
and i know he will be an epic disappointment to all who have faith in him.

mark my fuckin words dude

so what is the answer? complaining is not gonna fix any of the issues either. theres alot wrong with not only this country but this world. All I'm saying is at least this guy is trying to make a difference. Maybe/probably he wont fix everything but the American people want some effort put forth at the very least.

I voted for Obama but I will be keeping my eye on him...

the answer is
IT'S TOO FUCKING LATE!

Conservationist, you say in 50 years that people who voted for Obama will look like retards. What is it that you think he's going to do that is going to so grossly cripple this country?

And on that issue, how will McCain have been likely to act differently?

or would...grammar fail...you get it.

I just want you to quantify some of your broad statements and give you an opportunity to not just come off as a bitter person who doesn't like the results.

but he will still be an EPIC FAILURE.
he will be a half black George W. Bush

he's not gonna end the war, he's gonna move troops to countries he dislikes

he's not gonna give us huge tax breaks, he's gonna rape any company who makes 250,000 a year or more (and trust me, a guy running a company that makes a quarter mill a year is not rich after he is done paying taxes, payroll, employee benefits etc.) and redistribute wealth to those who don't work, don't try and deserve nothing.

he is a douche.

your right, my complaining won't fix anything.....but i don't he will fix anything either, and hyping him up to be this super-economy-fixing-president is setting you all up to be morbidly depressed when it's time to elect a new president and good ol' B.O. ain't done shit! but pander to the liberal agenda.

i mean come on, this asshole wants to force spanish on american students, and not force english on immigrants.
he has no grasp on properly handling/fixing the economy
and he wants to tighten gun control (the less legal access to guns there are, the more illegal gun use - eg. black market sales, murder, robbery -you will see)

etc.

Brian, you mean you didn't hear? Of course he knows what will happen 50 years from now. In light of this new development...

Conservationist has announced the launch of his new psychic hotline!!! 1-900-DA-JESUS

grammar in a rant on a message board = irrelevant

I'm just going to chime in and say that we'll be seeing the repercussions of Bush's economic plans in a few years just like we saw the repercussions of Clinton's economic plans. People will probably praise Obama but it will all be Bush's fault (in a good way). This country needs to get its act together, learn about economics, and then open their mouth. 6-12 years from now we'll be feeling Obama's legacy. Economics take time. What looks and feels shitty in the short term is almost always good in the long term and vice versa.

our contract in Iraq is coming up again soon. If they don't re-up with us...I would guess we might actually take off.

yeah.....we might leave iraq.....but do your research bro.
Obama has stated on many occasions that he wants to invade Iran and Pakistan.... so under his reign, the war is far from fucking over

Right now the immediacy of the world view of America is the major thing and Obama just caught the most significant/symbolic win in American history. Everything else being talked about is all discussion and opinion.

fact = Obama has stated on many occasions that he wants to invade Iran and Pakistan....

fact = he wants to tighten gun control (the less legal access to guns there are, the more illegal gun use - eg. black market sales, murder, robbery -you will see)

fact = he wants to force spanish on american students, and not force english on immigrants.

in other words....not just discussion/opinion

Nobody is going to invade Iran or Pakistan. Diplomatic relations will be open and the key is to reach an agreement without appeasing. I think the next cabinet will have the tools to do that.

Spanish is already forced on American students. I took a mandatory year of it 8 years ago. And English is forced upon immigrants. Look around you.

One of his first immediate challenges will be dealing with Afganistans President's demand stop killing civilians as a by product of this "War on Terrorism"

wtf are you talking about?

I was forced to take spanish 2 times in high school. I got kicked out of the class twice. hahah.

I HAVE LOOKED AROUND!!!!!!!
I WORK AT A STATE AGENCY, I HAVE HAD TO GET BIRTH CERTIFICATES FOR PEOPLE WHO NEEDED A TRANSLATOR TO ASK FOR IT!!!!!!!!!

Obama has stated on many occasions that he wants to force Spanish on all American students (which it definately is not a requirement to graduate in all schools yet.....nor should it be)..... and that he wants to stop trying to force those who come to this land to learn our language!

there are already too many immigrants who get away with that shit!!!!!!

They will learn English or they won't get far at all. And if they don't learn English, they'll keep working some dead end job and stay out of your way. Orgy dude, there's immigrants everywhere you go in every country worth moving to. Most desire to learn the language. If I wanted to move to Japan, or northern Europe, which I've thought hard about, I wouldn't hesitate to learn their language as fast as I could even though most of them speak English anyway. Immigrants here have the same desire. And the ones that don't, fuck em, they won't get far at all anyway, they'll stay in their community church.

Especially when I am ordering at dunkin donuts!!!!

You're correct.

However, the question is whether people who vote on emotional symbolism have the attention span to notice.

No offense to Obama voters here, but the average Obama voter is a clueless drone.

Fixed.

And as far as Obama's policy, Spanish immigrants are already here and more are coming. If students don't learn Spanish, then the divide between Spanish-English and primary English-speakers will grow, whether or not you want that, well that's your opinion. See what I'm getting at? Opinions and discussion from a bunch of unimportant people like us.

I don't see any reason why both groups of people can't learn both languages.

Conservationist, I'm not saying Obama will live up to all he's promised and I've said in the past that I agree with a lot of your views, but I don't believe he'll be an 'epic disappointment' and in 10 years you can rub it in my face and I won't care, and in 50 years, well...how much has the world changed in the last 50? Who saw this coming?

Eh. I'm done with politics for today. I'm about to go celebrate prop 2 and be a typical new-world scumbag.

well he did say this in the pre-election debates.

not saying he is a god but its good to see people excited for once...

I have been looking around online at quotes/speeches from our new president elect, and i have found support of KEEPING spanish as a requirement, but i haven't found anywhere that he say english will also not be a requirement. I Was under the impression that it would be both, which is basically what most other industrialized countries do. At LEAST two required languages that is, which in the long run is great for the students. And as far as forcing english on immigrants, you can't really FORCE them to learn anything, unless your talking about in school, in which case i believe it is a requirement. Personally, It all makes sense to me.

forcing us to learn their languange is infringing on our freedom and way of life.
it should be like every other country, you learn their language, or you do not live there
ZERO TOLERANCE

do you realise that you just made it look like i said something that conservationist said, and then he responded with something you would say, and you reposted it?

I have reason to believe that Consevationist harnesses esoteric paranormal Nazi UFO mind control technology. I'm keeping on his good side. No lulz here.

oh come on its all in good fun

What the fuck does what I said have to do with forcing people to learn languages?

Let ANY fucking asshole try to take my guns or ammo. I fucking dare them. Where I live, they would have a full scale war on their hands. Bring 'em all in. On my road alone we have 3 former Marines, 2 former S.E.A.L.S and about 5 former Soldiers...not to mention about 15 various toothless rednecks and all of their friends.

My point being...stay the fuck away from our 2nd Amendment rights and things will be just peachy keen.

Naturally we would all get wasted, but imagine the press on that one. It would be the point that we were making. I'd put my life on the line once for our Constitution in service to this thankless nation...I would do it again as a civilian.

And we'd take a few bretheren down in the process....which would suck, but we gotta do what we gotta do.

so... what does this have to do with 2nd amendment rights?
personally, I would like to license guns like cars (if you want to take them off your land and drive 'em around, they need to be registered), but if you want to sit on your land and uzi that car on blocks in your car, more power to you.
and make tanks/rpgs/mines/grenades illegal.
but if you want to own guns, go ahead.

So I should be tracked around like a sheep because I own a gun?

And you, who (I'm assuming) do not own a gun should be able to get one on the black market, not register it and go around with it anyway?

What right does the government have to know what I own? I spend my money the same way as any other hard working American...why should I have to pay a fee to own something that is my RIGHT to own?

Communist. Socialist. Disgusting.

How does this keep people any safer? Explain your side or GTFO.

Remember...we are a FREE society.

Hitler wanted gun registration...lest we forget.

Do you really think that the government should have that kind of control?

Ok, so we get taken over and some foreign government pulls the files of every REGISTERED gun owner and goes after them...let me know where you'll be crouching and hiding after they remove the only people with the means to protect you. If I make it through the mess that you created with that stupid idea...I may save your life.

The average mccain supporters are inbred racists

Don't tell me that this is not possible, either.

Who would you rather have on your side...Sarah Brady or the Wolverines?

The average anonymous poster is a spineless pussy.

why do people get so riled up about guns? I don't understand.

we do not live in a hostile environment and the kinds of guns people have seems completely unnecessary. WTF does someone need an AK-47, Uzi, or any automatic weapon for?

I agree with Rev. that people with these kind of weapons should be required to have proper licenses, ect. It appears to be too easy for people to get their hands on such things.

There are more important things in life other than guns, like hookers, guitars and pizza.

Automatic guns ARE banned by anyone without a class 3 weapons permit...always have been.


If you read the content of his post, it has 0 to do with auto's and ALL to do with every gun.

Dear Conservationist, Hoser, et all,

WWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

GET BEHIND OUR PRESIDENT OR YOU HATE THE COUNTRY
DON'T LIKE IT? GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY

Sound familiar. Get a helmet and shut up. Whiners.

I feel sorry for you, Pam.

I love my country, I respect our new President.

I never cried about him being elected. I just warned of the consequences...only regarding one thing. Not everything as you namby-pamby fags have for 4 years.

I'll zip it now...you live with your choice. I'll leave this at that.

Sit back and watch.

Yeah, you respect a guy you've been referring to as a nigger for the last two years.

100% backed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hoser is just an ignorant red neck, I feel sorry for him

Your posts are even dumber than Hoser's, you have no right to talk about anything.

And you look like fag

I rest my case.

Go suck a dick fag

Was i talking about you? are you hoser's boyfriend? shut the fuck up then

Hahahahahahaha....

Zyklon in the flesh

Thank you

hoser, you drive a registered car with a license that is soon to be "real IDed". Then cops in plain cloths can walk by you and (if you have your license on you) know who you are immediately.
you post on the internet and can easily be tracked.
you probably have a cellphone and can be tracked.
if you commit a felony, you shouldn't be able to own a gun (or vote)
if you are a mental patient, you shouldn't be able to own a gun.

registering a gun to keep legal guns out of the wrong hands seems pretty awesome to me. Let them buy a gun illegally, and then go away for longer.

and if you are going to rage against registering guns.
could you also roid rage against registering your car?

hoser... your mom is an anonymous poster

im not sure I agree with this 100%

Why don't you want me to be able to vote Rev?? Do you realize the stupid shit that is considered a "felony" in this country? Its not just rapists, murderers, and thieves y'know.

I don't know why that post came out like that. Weird.

You do realize though, that learning a foreign language has been a requirement at most high schools and colleges for decades though right? This is nothing new. Not necessarily spanish, but some foreign language. Most schools offer a choice between spanish and french.

Please post sources for all your other claims. I would like to read them.

I am sorry to tell you bud but that is not the way it is in other countries. In most other industrialized countries people are forced to learn more than their native language otherwise they won't graduate high school. The same that it is here for kids learning spanish. And the reason it's not infringing on our freedoms, or ways of life is because our government doesn't really force anyone to learn anything, they have regulations on what classes people need to complete before they graduate highschool, and part of that is foreign language. So you will never be forced to learn anything, unless your going back to school. And personally, i like that. I think that while children from MOST other countries are bi-lingual, it would be smart to make sure ours can keep up. We might not be the capitolist wetdream that we are now forever, some day our children might need to travel to handle business/get away from some situation here, and when that happens wouln't you have their education be as comprehensive as that of other countries? And the only real differnce between us and those countries is that their are some (a very select few) who DO require even adults to learn the main language, or they will kick them out. Which if you ask me, is infringing on their rights.

you already can't vote while on probation, etc... but I guess my statement against felony. White collar things I don't think we have to worry about, but if someone goes to jail for rape/murder/kidnapping/grand theft, they probably wouldn't be the sort of person you want legally owning a gun.

and i am not trying to pick a fight buddy, but i have been doing some research since i read your post this morning, and i haven't found a single country where there is "Zero Tollerance" policy for learning their native language. I Think because that would be a serious infringement of rights... and again, i am sorry that i seem controversial, i just think that your mis-informed.

as far as foreign language being required.....
really?????
i don't know man, maybe Attleboro High is a black sheep of sorts, because i was never forced into any foreign language class.

as far as sources, i listen to NPR alot, and i get alot of news from BBC.... outside, unbiased views are a beautiful thing.

look up the immigration laws of mexico

first of all
i was never part of the "don't like it? get out" crew when Bush was in.

second, no whining at all, just stating what facts i know and opinions i have about the douche you voted for.

and as i have stated many times before, i also hate McCain

economic plan
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OGExY...jQ5YjAyNWUzZmI2MDQyNmU4MmU2NGI3ZDg=

Mexico is indeed a model society /sarcasm

well my high school/all the dudes in my office had to take foreign language, my sisters have had too, and all my friends had too. At least two years of it.

And i am not saying that your uninformed in general, just in that most other countries have a zero tolerance policy. I mean, say Mexico does have such a law, i know people living in Mexico (my wife's relatives) and they speak Italian/Portuguese. Which the latter is similar to Spanish, but by no means the same language. And they have been there for years. So while maybe a law like that (as draconian as it would be) may be in place, they don't enforce it. And do we really want to model any of our country after Mexico? I don't think they are really the cultural mecca that we are, or that Germany, or Europe are.

And are you saying that you would like all grown adults here to be forced to speak fluently? Because if immigrants want to become citizens there is a naturalization process in place that requires a test about our history/laws, and classes. (in English) I know that naturalization is circumvented frequently by people who are just illegal and don't try to become a citizen, but no law about English will change that at all. (short of random roadblocks near our borders to make sure they can speak english........ obviously i am kidding about that.)

Anyways, my main points are this, everyone i know was forced to take at least two years of foreign language going to school, and i believe for good reason, and the worlds cultures continue to mix, there is nothing anyone can do about it, and the children of this country need to be able to keep up. That NECESSITATES a bi-lingual language set. (If not TRI-Lingual). It's education, and it's important. And the rest of the world (like i was saying, at least all the industrialized countries) are all forced (for graduation that is) to learn two if not three languages. And it has helped the children on those countries immensely.

And as far as forcing adults here to learn english when they immigrate here.. like i said, during naturalization there are requirements in place that require learning at least the basics of our language, and if your saying that those standards need to be raised, then i could see that. But any kind of standardized testing for any new immigrants may be a little much.

Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government

source - ontheissues.org

regardless.
they are still a functioning society
i believe people who come here from mexico, should be treated the way the mexican government treat anyone who moves there.

anyone who can pass a test in english obviously has a good enough grasp.

i am talking about american born assholes who refuse to learn english.
i am talking about illegals who should not be allowed to stay in the first place.

see the big loophole is some pregnant twat jumpes a fence or rides a floating door to get here, shits out a little brat, cries "don't sepreate our family" and the whole non-english speaking bunch of fuckers finds a way to stay.

English is the primary language, and it should stay that way, trying to force people who were born here to "adapt to bi-lingualism" or "embrace linguistic diversity" is nothing but P.C. crybaby liberal nonsense.

Liberals are bitter, neurotic people.

like i was saying, no one besides kids who want to graduate would be forced into anything, and that has been the case in schools here for 30 or more years. And again, what is the problem with higher education? No one is gonna force you to learn anything, they are gonna make sure our children are more prepared for a world that no matter how bad they want it to be all english all the time, it will not be that way in this country ( or any other) ever again in any other country. Cultures are just too mixed for that, so yes, in my opinion it is REALLY important for children to be bi-lingual, and i think it would be EVEN if we did have such a draconian law as "ALL ENGLISH OR GET OUT", because it would make them better prepared for the world. Just like math classes, geography classes, or any other education. It's important.

What part of the higher education bothers you?


And did anyone else reading this NOT have a minimum foreign language requirement for graduation?

for you to call us bitter because we can't take your WHINING then your diluted.

Where is my "whining"?

Maybe you just construe everything you see as what is most convenient for you.

orgy- i guess what confuses me about what your saying is this: Why does it bother you that our children our required to learn a second language? It will be an invaluable skill throughout the rest of their lives that will most likely enable them to go to more places, do more things, and make more money. If it was a requirement to learn all about mexican culture for instance, or traditions, that would bother me, because it will not benefit them at all, and is of no use unless they just want to know it. But language is just a skill set that's importance is matched by very few other things.

i'm not bullshittin guys, swear to god, i do not know anyone (of all the people i hang with that went to school in Attleboro, Norton, or North Attleboro) that was forced into foreign language classes.

and it's not higher education, it's making diversity seem more important than it is, and making it easier for people from other countries to get around without learning english.

the thought of the entire country being bi-lingual by the time i'm an old fuck makes me pray for an early death.

Conservationist- I would say that after an election is over, continuing to point out what you think MIGHT go wrong, and how silly/stupid peoples decisions were to have voted the way they did, when you could be informing people what they should do now to ensure/help prevent the things your predicting, or even to prepare for them if they are really unavoidable.... is all whining. It's to no end, it's complaining, and your not trying to get anywhere with it. Yes sir, thats whining.

waits for someone to make the predictable "don't worry, you'll have a heart attack soon enough fat ass" joke

orgy- you really don't see the benefits to being bi-lingual? Even though you openly admit that you deal with people on a regular basis who speak a language you don't? Because sadly buddy, that's not gonna change, and if you wanna ever leave the country, it's gonna be a million times worse. So how can you say you would want an early death if our country tried to make all it's children bi-lingual? That's like saying that forcing our children calculas in school is bad because it's not a normal part of their life, and they don't need it. When in fact it would help them

-get more jobs
-make more money at the jobs
-and understand what is going on around you more.

*which i may add, are all things foreign language will do to.

English WILL stay the primary language. It is the language of international business. Where is the argument here? How can you stop the tide of immigrants? With the attitude you have, your bound not to like it anywhere you can work for a paycheck. Y'all sound like a bunch of Romans.

-gun-loving 'crybaby liberal'

You are fucking paranoid. Many other countries DO force their kids to learn english. At least the ones that care about getting ahead in business do. And who the fuck is born here that can't speak english? I live in fucking Lawrence, which is like 90% hispanic and those people want to learn english asap. How the fuck else are they going to get the fuck out of places like Lawrence?

Lawrence was one of the only 3 MA towns that was against question 2 along with Clarksville and Braintree

they didn't want weed to lose it's appeal.

well, since i don't have a link to show you my source, i am sure you will have trouble believing this, but i deal with anywhere between one and fifteen people per week, who come into this office and need a translator to buy their own birth certificate!!!!!
we only have records for people who were born in mass!!!!!!!

kids learning calculus effects us in a positive way.
kids learning spanish makes it easier for people who refuse to learn english
it is a disadvantage.

why pay bi-linguals more?.....let's save the country money by not hiring people who refuse to learn english, and not offering incentives for bilingualism....
everyone.....illegals included......will be forced to learn english, and never again, will someone who was born in this country have to be annoyed by some cocksmoker who looks at you like you're an ass for not knowing their language!

looking at learning spanish as a disadvantage is crazy. It making other it easier for other people to not learn english MAY be a by product of it, but it will not change how many non english speakers learn english. But it WILL

Let them get paid more because many jobs have to deal with non english speakers, whether you think it's right or not, it's not going to change.

Because they can travel around the world to other countries, and see different things, and understande what the hell is going on. Even get a job in those countries and move their if they want to.

Your answer that learning spanish is a DISADVANTAGE is a very VERY narrow minded view that looks at the rest of the world as not being important, and your earlier argument was that we SHOULD be like the rest of the world?! Well the rest of the world MAKES them learn more than one language. Because it's an OBVIOS advantage in business, and travel. If you really don't get that, i am shocked, and dissapointed because i expected more of you. Sorry to put it that way, but this last comment about it being a disadvantage is outrageous. Stupid even.

conjeturo que solamente la gente elegante sabe mas de una lengua. no hay problema que sabe más de una lengua si usted sabe ya inglés. los que no saben necesidad del ingles de aprenderla como mejor es posible. si debo vivir en China, haría un esfuerzo para aprender chino.
can't remember jack shit. 8 years of spanish + taking german in college = me forgetting everything

I beleive you, there's shitbags in every population. That's the minority though.

Fully backed, BTW.

look, we can argue until our heads fall off....but the simple matter is, i completely disagree.
and "linguistic diversity" is a nice way of saying sissy liberal pandering.

it's not narrow minded of me to expect that when i do business with someone in America that they speak english.

sorry you find me to be such an ignorant dick.

English wasn't the language of the land until Europeans showed up. Immigrants came right behind them speaking German, Italian, French and Spanish, we've been a melting pot since we "discovered" America. Get the fuck over it. You've got no right discriminating against immigrants unless you're 100% pure blooded Native American.

Voting YES to make English the national language would accomplish NOTHING. It was a stupid SHOW ME YOUR PATRIOTIC BALLS vote like the flag burning one. Damned if you do, Damned if you don't.

Just because you're not smart enough to pass a couple of Spanish or French classes in college and high school doesn't mean it should be banned for everyone else.

I never use algebra either, but you have to learn that too. It's called a well-rounded education...you know, the thing us "idiots" have.

i'm just saying that big problems start small. then they snowball and get bigger

i fear this will be one of those problems, especially with a liberal minded president.

i hope i am wrong

It's pretty easy to take your "business" elsewhere. But I guess it's even easier to whine about it.

shit, wrong thread.

oh for fucks sake dude.
it has nothing to do with "not being smart enough"
i didn't take spanish class because in my high school it was NOT required, and i found it to be a big waste of time.
so shove your assumptions up your ass.

yeah you are right, immigrants did start this country.
but that was before, when the country was flourishing

now we are overpopulated, and in an economic crisis!

yeah, we did fuck the indians over, but if we let the course continue (giving more and more leinience to illegals, and allowing people to live in this country without learning english) we will be the indians, and they will be the pilgrims.

the reason english is our primary language is that people who built america up to what it is now (ya know, those assholes who wrote the constitution and the bill of rights) decided that was one they could all embrace.

cut the smarmy liberal shit pam

We must secure the existence of our people in a future for white children.

- Ronald Reagan

it's not whining, it's standing up for what i believe in.
first amendment
beautiful thing

Yeah you're right. White people are the persecuted, we're in danger of being overthrown by those inferior foreigners.

Anyone got the ratio of non-white house, senate and cabinet members to the white ones handy?

Yeah...as long as you speak English, right? That's totally in the first amendment, right?

Ok.... how can you say talk about things infringing on our "libertys"? PLEASE realize that the freedom of "speech, religion, etc".. in the constitution does not say anywhere "AS LONG AS YOUR DOING IT IN ENGLISH". Matter of fact, saying that is unconstitutional. Fact. Even saying that because people are here they should speak english is unconstitutional. Think about it. How do you expect to have the freedoms to do whatever you want, and to fight for those freedoms, and then say that someone else who is here should not be allowed to not know english. Just because the constitution was written in english? Of course not, there is no good reason. Just because it has been spoken here for years by the majority? Sorry, but that's one of the principles this country was founded on, that you are allowed to pursue life liberty and happiness how ever you like, given that your aren't breaking laws while your doing it. NOT as long as your speaking english while your doing it.

you are unbefuckinglievable.

no....speak whatever language you want.
but when you go somewhere to conduct business, in america, in an establishment that is not run by people who speak the same language as you, you should know english, and not shoot me attitude because i don't know your language.

white people are not persecuted (although those of us who don't pander to special interests are demonized by liberals in general)

and i NEVER said foreigners were inferior (that was you putting words in my mouth)

but as the number of undocumented illegal immigrants rises, and the liberal mentality allows it, the risk of us being treated as our ancestors treated native americans does increase.

listen, if you fuckers don't see my point by now, you never will.

go ahead and think that i am an ignorant douche and you have won the arguement.

I was unaware Liberals were for allowing illegal people into the country. I must have missed that at our last meeting. Funny how you don't like broad assumptions of yourself and your side of the fence but happily make them of mine.

I don't think you're ignorant. I think you're unrealistic (for thinking making English the language will do ANYTHING AT ALL) and entitled.

every liberal i have conversed with about this has pretty much expressed this sentiment.

and exactly what side of the fence do you think i am on?

i hate liberal and conservative thought.

i am middle of the road in that i agree with each side on many different issues and am very vocal about what i disagree with

if you're talking about immigrant elitism, then i agree with you. it's bullshit. otherwise this is a 'liberal' vs. 'conservative' pissing contest that apparently the conservatives think they're better because they have this notion that they can survive alone in the woods better than i can. am i mixing threads here?

entitled?
no.
i work for everything i have.
the only things i feel i am entitled to is the air i breathe, the love of my family, and the ability to understand what the fuck someone is saying to me in the place where i work.

i don't think that is alot to ask.

i don't think conservatives are better than liberals at all.
i just in general tend to disagree with the oversenitivity shown by most liberals on issues relating to race, language and immigration

I have never met anyone that thinks people should break the law and live here. Ever. I think we need to have more realistic allowances for the brown people (we've got more for Euro immigrants), a better and enthusiastic path to citizenship and WAY better border security. I also think when we find illegals they should be treated like fucking humans so we make sure we don't ship kids/parents back separated like what happened in New Bedford last year.

And here's a wacky thought: how about going after the companies that fucking hire these people. But we can't go after "small businesses" thanks to small government conservatism.

Maybe if it wasn't so easy to get a job here, people would be dropping dead crossing the desert to get here. Don't blame desperate people, blame the money grubbing fucks that exploit them.

This thread is a hearty semen bolognese and I see some of you haved helped yourselves to seconds.

first of all, when i say illegal immigrants.....i mean all illegal immigrants.
i don't care if they are irish, mexican, russian or korean or whatever.

i agree with you about going after the companies who hire illegals.

but just because those money grubbing fuckers exploit the illegals, doesn't mean that i find them any more innocent.

yeah they are victims, but sneaking over here puts them in that position.

that's like if you were homeless and snuck into a place where you knew for sure you'd be raped when you fell asleep.
sure i'd feel bad for ya, but ya knew what you were getting into

i realise my hypothetical was very far fetched

i jerk off on you while you sleep.
you usually smile when i finish

<3

I am a man of impeccable etiquette.

Are you guys still doing this?

yes, i still jerk off on people while they sleep.
would ya like me to visit you after the sandman leaves tonight schnookums?

My eye booger problem just got a whole lot more horrifyinger.

haha.
MY EYE!!!!
IT'S STUCK SHUT!!!

I can't help it. I'm a woman of Irish decent. I don't shut up until you punch me in the mouth.

pam- sounds like we were made for each other.

I'm laying the groundwork for a counterattack.

I disagree with the candidate, and want to prime people with predictions that they can later see are fulfilled.

It is not in my interest to try to "help" the candidate WITH WHOM I HAVE IRRECONCILIABLE IDEOLOGICAL DIFFERENCES.

Normally you speak sense, but the above is just stupid hipster talk. I think someone has said this to you, and you felt you got owned, so now you use it on others. What would your logic/debate professors say?

I'll tell you: LOL not so fast.

This nation didn't exist until Europeans showed up.

It was founded by primarily English, German and Dutch peoples.

All others came MUCH later.

German, English and Dutch are more similar than they are different, especially compared to hybridized Arabic-Romance languages.

Yeah, that's what you're doing. Nice "counterattack". If this is the best you Jesusfreak sympathizers can come up with I've got nothing to worry about.
Meesage board warriors, to arms, to arms!!!!!

Yes, MUCH later...in a nation of just over 200 years.

Arguments are described as attack and counterattack. You're reading too much into it.

Conservationist the message board prophet.

Pam, the message board messiah.