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returntothepit >> discuss >> Obama Hates on the Bible by FuckIsMySignature on Jun 24,2008 1:20pm
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toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jun 24,2008 1:20pm
Obama -

"Which passages of scripture should guide our public policy?" Obama asks in the speech. "Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is OK and that eating shellfish is an abomination? Or we could go with Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount?"

James Dobson -

"I think he's deliberately distorting the traditional understanding of the Bible to fit his own world view, his own confused theology," Dobson said, later adding that Obama is "dragging biblical understanding through the gutter."


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/24/evangelical.vote/index.html

aaand Obama continues to have my vote.






toggletoggle post by aril at Jun 24,2008 1:22pm
he also wants to decriminalize mary jane I've heard.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 24,2008 1:23pm
seriously, sounds to me like he is putting the ridiculousness of the bible into perspective.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Jun 24,2008 1:24pm
i hate politicians, but the guy's right about the bible. unfortunately for him, that's not going to win him a lot of votes down south.



toggletoggle post by ellesauruswork at Jun 24,2008 1:24pm
yes we can!!



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 24,2008 1:25pm
the whole "bible discrediting" and "black" thing will be severely detrimental to him. even though i like Obama, anyone but John McCain.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 24,2008 1:27pm
after reading that article, i want to punch him in his stupid face. if only i had a pain teleportation monitor.



toggletoggle post by Murph nli at Jun 24,2008 2:48pm
FuckIsMySignature said[orig][quote]


James Dobson -

"I think he's deliberately distorting the traditional understanding of the Bible to fit his own world view, his own confused theology," Dobson said, later adding that Obama is "dragging biblical understanding through the gutter."


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/24/evangelical.vote/index.html

aaand Obama continues to have my vote.





Evangelists make me laugh. Their biblical understanding is slanted and limited.

Dobson has a great point, the fact that politicians mold their speeches to fit certain types of areas doesn't make sense. Obama using Old Testament teaching in regards to New Testament teaching is moot, because in theory, Jesus' covenant overrode the Jewish Covenant.

And last, nothing makes me angrier than the fact that religion plays any role in affairs. I could elaborate for hours, but this is fundamentally wrong.



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jun 24,2008 2:57pm
I don't like to mix faith with politics even though the two are hopelessly linked together.

Everyone has a different perspective on Scripture but that's what studying the Word is for; to determine what the passages are really trying to say. God may speak to us one way and the next time you read it, it could have an entirely different meaning behind it. That's the neat thing about God is that he's always teaching us new things all the time, even through the same pieces of Scripture.



toggletoggle post by GoatCatalyst   at Jun 24,2008 3:00pm
Glad I'm sovereign.



toggletoggle post by xmikex at Jun 24,2008 3:06pm
bigtime LOL @ evangelists saying that anyone else is distorting interpretations of the bible.

In the comments to be aired later Tuesday, Dobson said Obama should not be referencing antiquated dietary codes and passages from the Old Testament that are no longer relevant to the teachings of the New Testament.

Yeah, I could see how something like that could upset people. It's kind of like using a 2,000 year old book full of vague symbolism and stories that no one will ever be able to prove really happened to govern an international superpower. I could see how that would upset some.



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jun 24,2008 3:15pm
Mike, not that Lee Strobel is particularly the best at apologetics but in his book, The Case For Faith, the people he interviews, such as William Lane Craig and Ravi Zacharias, make definitive and convincing cases for the truth of these stories and their happenings. You should give that book a chance.



toggletoggle post by Murph nli at Jun 24,2008 3:29pm
ConquerTheBaphomet said[orig][quote]
Mike, not that Lee Strobel is particularly the best at apologetics but in his book, The Case For Faith, the people he interviews, such as William Lane Craig and Ravi Zacharias, make definitive and convincing cases for the truth of these stories and their happenings. You should give that book a chance.


If even many of the stories were not just symbolism but actually true (whether within the state of matter as we perceive it now or in alternate states) that point is just shitty. All over the globe, myths are handed down by generation, and who knows some may just be symbols, or some may be true. Christianity, just like every other religion or spiritual or metaphysical history does not have a monopoly on truth, myth, etc.

Here's my point, if biblical stories are true, and that some of these stories are real, then that means that

a) The first commandment and its wording indicate their are other gods, and that Jehovah is the strongest and therefore should be worshipped above all.

b) Other traditions, describing the same events from a different lens, are now just as valuable and useful as Judeo-Christian-Islamic teachings.

Once again, the point is that there can only be diviseness even if these things actually happened, because they aren't unique to that portion of the world, as evidenced by your own text (ie. other gods, other priests having powers, etc).

Keep your bullshit outta my life.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 24,2008 3:32pm
polytheistic religions have always been more plausible to me. i'd much rather the rich myths of Scandinavian mythology than the crap we are fed about suffering and sins and all that shit from this wacky religion.



toggletoggle post by porphyria at Jun 24,2008 3:35pm



toggletoggle post by Murph nli at Jun 24,2008 3:37pm
My other question is why, from a faith-perspective, anyone would need to write a book making a case for scripture to be historical?

Faith and truth are binaries, unless following that wonderful mantra of "The Word is the truth."

If faith isn't enough anymore (because the lay people are finally opening a fucking book) that might just tell you something.



toggletoggle post by aril at Jun 24,2008 3:42pm
A good portion of the Bible was written during the Babylonian Exile.
They needed a sense of hope and connection with their inner souls. In moments of despair, the creative and poetic sides of people seem to become more prominent.



toggletoggle post by nemo at Jun 24,2008 4:14pm
Fuck god and fuck government



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jun 24,2008 4:38pm
Where in history has any biblical story researched been proven untrue? Can you pinpoint one for me?

As far as polytheism, God handed that commandment down, not because of recognition for other gods, but to say that He is the ONLY God and therefore to create other gods beside him is futile.



toggletoggle post by largefreakatzero at Jun 24,2008 4:41pm
The Bible is a nice collection of fictional stories, nothing else. If you base your life on a book, then LOL@U.



toggletoggle post by aril at Jun 24,2008 4:42pm
BURN HIM



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Jun 24,2008 4:45pm
ConquerTheBaphomet said[orig][quote]
Where in history has any biblical story researched been proven untrue? Can you pinpoint one for me?

As far as polytheism, God handed that commandment down, not because of recognition for other gods, but to say that He is the ONLY God and therefore to create other gods beside him is futile.


go fuck yourself



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Jun 24,2008 4:46pm
oh yeah, and moses parting the red sea. it was the dry season and a tributary of the red sea in the section they may have crossed rapidly fills up and empties depending on rainfall, etc.



toggletoggle post by Murph nli at Jun 24,2008 4:51pm
ConquerTheBaphomet said[orig][quote]
Where in history has any biblical story researched been proven untrue? Can you pinpoint one for me?

As far as polytheism, God handed that commandment down, not because of recognition for other gods, but to say that He is the ONLY God and therefore to create other gods beside him is futile.


First, I never said any biblical stories are implicitly untrue, I simply said that even if they are, not all the effects would be positive for the religions which use the texts as sacred scripture as it opens the door to many more interpretations (world events such as those depicted in the bible affect all cultures, not just those writing about them),

Second, if you bothered opening up the bible for a second, you'd realize that the Old Testament is full of stories of Jehovah's champions proving their abilities to other tribes as being superior to those tribes' gods (much like pawns on a chessboard). Reading the scripture, however, you'll notice that no matter what other sect is being invaded, from the Egyptians to the tribes worshiping Ba'al, that the existence of the other god is present, even though distinctly inferior (based on the same archetypal storyline used again and again). For a specific example, look at Moses and Aaron's challenging of the other priests who use magic to mimic the same miracles they create.

The wording is the same in English as in Greek as in Hebrew, "You will have no other gods BEFORE me." It doesn't even specify that lesser gods cannot be worshiped or idolized, they simply cannot be placed spiritually before Jehovah (who mimics the Sun, in proportion and dominance over the planets, the shit is astral man).

I don't know what to tell you bud.



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Jun 24,2008 4:55pm
ba'al ftw



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jun 24,2008 4:59pm edited Jun 24,2008 5:00pm
"Lesser gods" can never be worshiped because of their nonexistence and inferiority in the mind of God.

The Old Testament is documented history recorded by God's people. His actions, however shocking to us, are easily justified. God has the authority to create life and the sovereignty to take it.

My life is not based on any book but by the faith and grace that God gives to me. The Bible is not an end-all for faith but a solid foundation for it. How we live our lives incorporated with God's plan is what being a Christian is, not by reading a book.

Other religions are useless to me because religion in itself is a useless humanistic creation. Mock me all you want, largefreak and Sac, but you do nothing but display your ignorance.



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jun 24,2008 5:01pm
Murph%20nli said[orig][quote]
My other question is why, from a faith-perspective, anyone would need to write a book making a case for scripture to be historical?

Faith and truth are binaries, unless following that wonderful mantra of "The Word is the truth."

If faith isn't enough anymore (because the lay people are finally opening a fucking book) that might just tell you something.


Apologetics.



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Jun 24,2008 5:02pm
you do realize "god's people" made up probably less than 10% of the world population and encompassed an area smaller than the United States?



toggletoggle post by Murph nli at Jun 24,2008 5:04pm
ConquerTheBaphomet said[orig][quote]
"Lesser gods" can never be worshiped because of their nonexistence and inferiority in the mind of God.

The Old Testament is documented history recorded by God's people. His actions, however shocking to us, are easily justified. God has the authority to create life and the sovereignty to take it.

My life is not based on any book but by the faith and grace that God gives to me. The Bible is not an end-all for faith but a solid foundation for it. How we live our lives incorporated with God's plan is what being a Christian is, not by reading a book.

Other religions are useless to me because religion in itself is a useless humanistic creation. Mock me all you want, largefreak and Sac, but you do nothing but display your ignorance.


That hurt to read.




toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Jun 24,2008 5:05pm
ConquerTheBaphomet said[orig][quote]
Other religions are useless to me because religion in itself is a useless humanistic creation.


i don't even have to say anything else. you just proved your own hypocrisy



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jun 24,2008 5:06pm
SacreligionNLI said[orig][quote]
you do realize "god's people" made up probably less than 10% of the world population and encompassed an area smaller than the United States?


That matters, why? Does an impact on a world have to only be made by a large group of people?



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Jun 24,2008 5:06pm
BECAUSE THE FUCKING WORLD ENCOMPASSES WAY MORE THAN YOUR FUCKING POINT OF VIEW



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jun 24,2008 5:07pm
SacreligionNLI said[orig][quote]
ConquerTheBaphomet said[orig][quote]
Other religions are useless to me because religion in itself is a useless humanistic creation.


i don't even have to say anything else. you just proved your own hypocrisy


Believing in religion for religion's sake is what I'm talking about.



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Jun 24,2008 5:07pm
actually...

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toggletoggle post by Murph nli at Jun 24,2008 5:07pm
ConquerTheBaphomet said[orig][quote]
Murph%20nli said[orig][quote]
My other question is why, from a faith-perspective, anyone would need to write a book making a case for scripture to be historical?

Faith and truth are binaries, unless following that wonderful mantra of "The Word is the truth."

If faith isn't enough anymore (because the lay people are finally opening a fucking book) that might just tell you something.


Apologetics.


Apologetics defends Christianity.

Christianity pretty much invalidates the majority of Old Testament covenant, so why even bother with those stories?



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jun 24,2008 5:07pm
SacreligionNLI said[orig][quote]
BECAUSE THE FUCKING WORLD ENCOMPASSES WAY MORE THAN YOUR FUCKING POINT OF VIEW


No kidding. There is no reason to get hostile.



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Jun 24,2008 5:09pm
"believing in religion for religion's sake" eh?

by definition that is contradicting the great words you follow. religion includes christianity, judaism, islam, hinduism, buddhism, taoism, all polytheistic ideologies



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jun 24,2008 5:09pm
Murph%20nli said[orig][quote]
ConquerTheBaphomet said[orig][quote]
Murph%20nli said[orig][quote]
My other question is why, from a faith-perspective, anyone would need to write a book making a case for scripture to be historical?

Faith and truth are binaries, unless following that wonderful mantra of "The Word is the truth."

If faith isn't enough anymore (because the lay people are finally opening a fucking book) that might just tell you something.


Apologetics.


Apologetics defends Christianity.

Christianity pretty much invalidates the majority of Old Testament covenant, so why even bother with those stories?


Christianity includes the Old Testament. While Jesus fulfills the majority of the Old Testament that's not a reason to ignore it.



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Jun 24,2008 5:10pm
therefore, believing in religion for "religion's sake" means you accept the fact that other people have other gods that they worship.

awwww you broke one of your commandments



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jun 24,2008 5:11pm
SacreligionNLI said[orig][quote]
"believing in religion for religion's sake" eh?

by definition that is contradicting the great words you follow. religion includes christianity, judaism, islam, hinduism, buddhism, taoism, all polytheistic ideologies


Faith and belief is a lifestyle, not a religious box to be tucked away, in my opinion. Clearly you do not understand what I'm saying.



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jun 24,2008 5:13pm
SacreligionNLI said[orig][quote]
therefore, believing in religion for "religion's sake" means you accept the fact that other people have other gods that they worship.

awwww you broke one of your commandments


I never once said believing in religion for religion's sake is what I stand for.

Read my posts again.



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Jun 24,2008 5:23pm
ok...so let me try to sum up:

you either believe that the spiritual nature of human beings is enough reason to have faith in something, or you are brainwashed enough to think that the one religion you were brought up and forced into is the ONE word of God and therefore all other religions are just shabby attempts at saying what the Bible says?

Am I on the right track? It's one of the two, right? Your mindless yammering is throwing me off and I can't figure out what you're trying to say.



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jun 24,2008 5:31pm
Who said I was forced and brought up into anything? I came upon this on my own.

My belief in faith is brought upon my acceptance of who God is and his evidence to me every day. It is evidenced by how I think, feel and see. The Bible is a guiding light for anyone following His path but like I said, it is not the end-all of faith. God himself is the source of that.



toggletoggle post by Murph nli at Jun 24,2008 5:34pm
ConquerTheBaphomet said[orig][quote]
Murph%20nli said[orig][quote]
ConquerTheBaphomet said[orig][quote]



Christianity includes the Old Testament. While Jesus fulfills the majority of the Old Testament that's not a reason to ignore it.


Jesus does not fulfill the majority of the Old Testament, not by any standard.

Christianity, to succeed, has to claim to invalidate (in their vernacular, update or succeed) the covenant of the Old Testament.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jun 24,2008 5:35pm
i <3 this thread.



toggletoggle post by Murph nli at Jun 24,2008 5:36pm
oops, I put my words in someone else's mouth there.



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Jun 24,2008 5:39pm
the new testament = the old testament with ovaries



toggletoggle post by Murph nli at Jun 24,2008 5:46pm
ConquerTheBaphomet said[orig][quote]
Who said I was forced and brought up into anything? I came upon this on my own.

My belief in faith is brought upon my acceptance of who God is and his evidence to me every day. It is evidenced by how I think, feel and see. The Bible is a guiding light for anyone following His path but like I said, it is not the end-all of faith. God himself is the source of that.


Fine. That is great.

In our present day, however, all I ask is that in the political realm you check that shit at the door. You cannot have two voices, and you also can't have one guided by faith because it, empirically, should not be given the same weight as race, sex, disability, etc. because it is monopolizing in its scope. The Christian way is no longer THE WAY.

You summed it up yourself by saying you 'think, feel, and see' based on your 'faith.' Hence why, in my opinion, 'religion and faith' are unbelievably dangerous because no matter how hard they try to assimilate, they are not flexible and cannot accommodate the needs of everyone.

I am sick and tired of living with people who think their opinions matter just because they can have one. That's why we're in such dire straits now, as a predominantly CHRISTIAN nation.

And I unequivocally do not care what schooling people have had on the subject of theology and/or world history, because no matter what you've paid or who has taught you, my library card and my eager eyes have the same abilities. I end by saying I hope your shit crumbles, not because I'm ignorance, but because I am aware that you're wrong and you've fucked my world up enough.



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jun 24,2008 6:11pm
Do not place an entire history of religious oppression and corruption solely on my shoulders and hate ME specifically for it.

I never said anyone had to listen to me. I chose to respond in this thread and you responded to me and hence, our elongated debate. I respect you and your pursuit of knowledge as I am on the same path. Our difference is that we choose to become knowledgeable in different capacities.

I do not wish any ill on you despite your hostilities for me. I refuse to attack the character of a person because in an egg shell type discussion like this, it is easy for tempers to flare and cause ad hominem attacks. If that's your path, then so be it. You will see how destructive it is to a psyche to continue your hatred of something instead of just accepting its existence and move on. Hate tears at you and breaks you down.

Maybe our paths will cross one day and instead of throwing punches we can shake hands.



toggletoggle post by W3 nli at Jun 24,2008 6:15pm
so are there any tits in this thread or what



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jun 24,2008 6:16pm
W3%20nli said[orig][quote]
so are there any tits in this thread or what


Only if you post some.



toggletoggle post by W3 nli at Jun 24,2008 6:18pm
pffft fuck all that nonsense.



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jun 24,2008 6:21pm edited Jun 24,2008 6:22pm
You are so lazy.

SLOTH!!!




toggletoggle post by W3 nli at Jun 24,2008 6:25pm
dont throw your rhetoric at me.



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jun 24,2008 6:26pm
Poop.



toggletoggle post by W3 nli at Jun 24,2008 6:28pm
your boredom has clearly surpassed my own, good day to you sir.



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jun 24,2008 6:32pm
Actually, I have to leave for work in like 10 minutes.



toggletoggle post by DomesticTerror at Jun 24,2008 6:41pm
W3%20nli said[orig][quote]
so are there any tits in this thread or what


you just made me laugh really loud.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jun 24,2008 6:59pm
Jesus built my hotrod



toggletoggle post by Dankill at Jun 24,2008 7:20pm
The thing that always cracked me up about evangelical hardliners was about how much of a boner they had for Old Testament fire, brimstone and damnation. That was their main focus and argument for things.
Yet, they seemed to forget that the New Testament (i.e. Jesus chillin out about all that crap) is the bedrock of Christianity. Without it, it's basically the Jewish religion.

Oh btw
W3%20nli said[orig][quote]
so are there any tits in this thread or what


Just for Sean-O

http://www.tnaflix.com/view_video.php?viewkey=a2aee2df08cf09d7016c



toggletoggle post by W3 nli at Jun 24,2008 8:20pm
that young lady has some fine thighs, oh and is there any whore in pr0n that Peter North hasnt fucked yet.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jun 24,2008 8:25pm
fukk christ
fukk obama
fukk city people



toggletoggle post by fleshfries at Jun 24,2008 10:43pm
Whatever happened to the whole "Religion and Politics are Separate" thing?

I'm actually glad that Obama said what he said.



toggletoggle post by DaveFromTheGrave  at Jun 25,2008 7:37am
ConquerTheBaphomet said[orig][quote]
Where in history has any biblical story researched been proven untrue? Can you pinpoint one for me?

As far as polytheism, God handed that commandment down, not because of recognition for other gods, but to say that He is the ONLY God and therefore to create other gods beside him is futile.


NO, YOU PROVE THAT YOUR BULLSHIT FANTASY FAIRY TALES HAVE ANY BASIS IN REALITY, YOU RETARD.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 25,2008 8:13am
Obama has done 3 things I like
1) be 1/2 black
2) opposed the suspension of the gas tax
3) hated on the bible.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 25,2008 8:15am
anyone else feel that they could argue the way CTB is about the lord of the ring/simalarion?



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 25,2008 8:23am
the old testament is some embellished history and moral stories. not to be taken as a history book. there are plenty of things in there that are lies/fabrications. Like people living for 900+ years, the garden of eden, and the fact that the world was not created in 7 days 7000 years ago. I do find it funny that a story based on such blatant a set of falsehoods is taken as the word of God when they are just good things to live by. On the topic of the old testament, girls on the rag have to sit outside the city for 7 days on a pile of leather since they are unclean. and if you have sex with them while they are on the rag, you are exiled out of the city for 7 days. Also, you have to make burnt offerings of xxx rams all the time which people (jews) don't do.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 25,2008 8:32am
now, as bad as the old testament is... the new testament is worse! what we are "allowed" to call the new testament is a collection of 4 peoples words, all of which tell different stories, some of which were orally passed down before transcribed, all of which were mis-translated into english and then mis-mis-translated back into other languages (ie: virgin mary was really just young girl mary), and all other books that other people wrote were systematically destroyed. And what's with the book of revelations? anyone who reads that and thinks that it's anything more than john trying to back a dwindling xtian populace and re-energies his support base probably loves bush and thinks all muslims are terrorists.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jun 25,2008 9:11am
Voting for Obama is affirmative action. His only claim to being president worthy is that he's half-black.

Whatever happened to the idea of having candidates who weren't entirely shills for industry... oh, wait, we're in an end-stage democracy.



toggletoggle post by thuringwethil at Jun 25,2008 9:26am
porphyria said[orig][quote]

bennyhillifier


WHAT HE SAID.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 25,2008 9:37am
God won that last one.



toggletoggle post by thuringwethil at Jun 25,2008 9:41am
Come come. that was mortality, rather



toggletoggle post by soloman_81 at Jun 25,2008 9:42am
the_reverend said[orig][quote]
now, as bad as the old testament is... the new testament is worse! what we are "allowed" to call the new testament is a collection of 4 peoples words, all of which tell different stories, some of which were orally passed down before transcribed, all of which were mis-translated into english and then mis-mis-translated back into other languages (ie: virgin mary was really just young girl mary), and all other books that other people wrote were systematically destroyed. And what's with the book of revelations? anyone who reads that and thinks that it's anything more than john trying to back a dwindling xtian populace and re-energies his support base probably loves bush and thinks all muslims are terrorists.



The new testament is definitly way worse. It's where hell was introduced.



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Jun 25,2008 10:15am
what about the gnostic gospels they found in egypt that supposedly never existed? Aren't those books just another interpretation of the same story but just so happen to directly contradict what is said in the new testament? Scholars say that they are hoaxes and fabrications, no way they can be confirmed as being written by jesus OR mary magdalen

oh wait...that's the whole bible as well!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 25,2008 10:21am
everyone here quick, drink the davinci code koolaid!



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Jun 25,2008 10:46am
DaveFromTheGrave said[orig][quote]
ConquerTheBaphomet said[orig][quote]
Where in history has any biblical story researched been proven untrue? Can you pinpoint one for me?

As far as polytheism, God handed that commandment down, not because of recognition for other gods, but to say that He is the ONLY God and therefore to create other gods beside him is futile.


NO, YOU PROVE THAT YOUR BULLSHIT FANTASY FAIRY TALES HAVE ANY BASIS IN REALITY, YOU RETARD.


For the win.



toggletoggle post by aril at Jun 25,2008 10:51am
I would love to SRSLY respond to this thread, but 1.) my answer would be too long
2.) i'm at work
3.) ConquerTheBaphomet would be shitting his pants and possibly fearing death more so than his faith already makes him.
4.) don't want to argue - there's no point. opinions are opinions and I think we all know who the idiot is here!



toggletoggle post by aril at Jun 25,2008 11:08am
here's a short, 2nd grade version of the answer:
history is knowledge of what we know, given the amount of attainable information we receive. we study it, analyze it, and piece it together.
given the advancement in the sciences and the information we know through history, it is safe to say THERE IS NO GOD. THERE NEVER WAS. THERE NEVER WILL BE.
humanity is at a breaking a point - we're on the steps of either our destruction, or our advancement as a race. we're a civilization as a whole now, just like there's thousands more in our galaxy alone.
we need to move past our biased faiths and seek a future for our civilzation so we can survive, compete, and flourish. we're being held back.



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Jun 25,2008 11:11am
SPACE OR GAME OVER - PICK YOUR CHOOSE

If'n we don't get off this rock, we're done for.



toggletoggle post by Murph nli at Jun 25,2008 12:18pm
aril said[orig][quote]
here's a short, 2nd grade version of the answer:
history is knowledge of what we know, given the amount of attainable information we receive. we study it, analyze it, and piece it together.
given the advancement in the sciences and the information we know through history, it is safe to say THERE IS NO GOD. THERE NEVER WAS. THERE NEVER WILL BE.
humanity is at a breaking a point - we're on the steps of either our destruction, or our advancement as a race. we're a civilization as a whole now, just like there's thousands more in our galaxy alone.
we need to move past our biased faiths and seek a future for our civilzation so we can survive, compete, and flourish. we're being held back.


Since I did the majority of pulling responses out of CTB, and because I so fervently think his beliefs are fucking clown shoes, I must say I don't agree totally with this either.

There is no GOD. This, I can handle, in a sense. So many traditions propose a center of consciousness, sometimes referred to as the collective comic mind, and I guess since there is no way to prove or disprove such a theory (there is plenty of evidence both ways, brought forth on both sides by most of the leading minds of history) I guess some might call that cosmic mind a sort of God, but that is a case of spirituality.

I agree with you that a need to become more cohesive in our efforts is needed for the survival of our race, but if you look at the history of the world there has been a constant change over many eras in the way humans think. Ancient religions looked at the world in such a different way (especially because there is no way to say how the world was, because the Earth began with a carbon atmosphere and we take for granted that we can measure its half-lives for dating but that means the Earth needs to have been under the same conditions over the course of history, an assumption we cannot make) that were much more experiential and fluid, a detachment from a sense of self. The culmination of the human self as an individual sense of worth began at some point with Greek civilization, but really cohered around the time of Christ, when Messianic religions illustrated the strength of the human.

It may seem like jibber jabber, but that's just how I see it. Of course it is much more illustrative and detailed than that, but our bodies and our minds haven't always been this way. Take for instance Egyptian reliefs showing headdresses with tiny snakes on the forehead. That isn't a representaion of Seth, that my friends are our ancestors showing our pineal gland, the THIRD EYE. Trip sometime, and you'll see the power the pineal gland has to alter consciousness.

IDK, I agree we need to come together to survive, but if the scope of human history has been to come to realization and affirmation of the strength of the individual, it's going to be tough.



toggletoggle post by Murph nli at Jun 25,2008 12:28pm
oh btw,

i drink a lot.



toggletoggle post by cav nli at Jun 25,2008 12:32pm
hold on hold on hold on. you guys have lost track here. the real question at hand is...am i bored enough to read all this shit?



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Jun 25,2008 12:34pm
no.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 25,2008 12:36pm
hey everyone, i bring you murph, the hippie.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Jun 25,2008 12:40pm edited Jun 25,2008 12:41pm
DC is pretty much all about love.

It's not a "who can make the most I hope you fucking die jokes" contest all the time.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 25,2008 12:41pm
whoah man.. just farted in my cube. pu



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Jun 25,2008 12:42pm
btw, cav. I added some fun to that thread you started about those Scandinavian pig fuckers.

you are welcome



toggletoggle post by Murph nli at Jun 25,2008 1:06pm
brian_dc said[orig][quote]
DC is pretty much all about love.

It's not a "who can make the most I hope you fucking die jokes" contest all the time.


I hope your wall of sound falls on you.

That would be a sweet sound.



toggletoggle post by cav nli at Jun 25,2008 1:09pm
well, indeed i was bored enough. it was an interesting read. everytime i read anything murph has to say on rttp it reminds me of the first time i watched 'waking life' and couldn't really comprehend what was going on. and NO im not reading it twice. im way too lazy for that. my favorite part was: "The Old Testament is documented history recorded by God's people." i think its pretty funny that the most respected catholic school in RI teached the exact opposite of that. lol



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Jun 25,2008 1:15pm
but CTB follows the WORD OF GOD! he can't...he CAN'T be wrong!



toggletoggle post by aril at Jun 25,2008 1:19pm
It is human nature to assume a there is a powerful being. Ancient cultures could not prove many of the things we can prove today - and yet, they were just as curious about their beginnings as we are today.
What I'm saying is that we need to move beyond this sense of thought. We need to collectively gather our species as a whole, and embrace the fact that we're on the path of destruction. I do not have a problem with spirituality on all levels; I myself have meditated to reach that state of mind.
I'm a firm believer in the power of the human mind, and the power of our species as a whole. We need to strive for collective individualism - ideally we need to think on the same wave lengths and have the same goals. In the current state of affairs, humanity does not have the same goals. All of the conflicts in the world that are based off of religion are holding us back. We either need to prepare ourselves for the future of mankind, or brace ourselves for the destruction of mankind.



toggletoggle post by aril at Jun 25,2008 1:23pm
In other words: WWIII is upon us, my friends. PREPARE FOR DESTRUCTION!!!!!!!! muauahhahahahaha.
ok, back to work...



toggletoggle post by aril at Jun 25,2008 1:30pm
PS: I'll never forget the day when my mom caught me burning the bible in the back yard when I was like 15. I didn't mean to do it, it just slipped, I tell ya.



toggletoggle post by cav nli at Jun 25,2008 1:31pm
wait there was a WWII? hmmm i must have missed it. CTB...you hear about that shit?!



toggletoggle post by Jesus Christ at Jun 25,2008 2:58pm
Calm down. It's clear who is going to Heaven and who is going to Hell here. While you're at it, read Dante's Inferno. Maybe you'll understand how that image of eternal damnation was created in Medieval Times. Oh wait, try reading the Epic of Gilgamesh too - it predates our book of Genesis and is the main influece for the story of Noah's Ark. Also, try to check out some books from the library of Alexandria. OH WAIT, MONKS BURNED THAT DOWN TO THE GROUND AND MUCH OF "PRE-HISTORY" WAS LOST!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 25,2008 3:01pm



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jun 25,2008 3:05pm
aril said[orig][quote]

3.) ConquerTheBaphomet would be shitting his pants and possibly fearing death more so than his faith already makes him.


What makes you think I have fear? Fear is not love.



toggletoggle post by aril at Jun 25,2008 3:06pm
one of my history teachers in college hated Christianity so much, he blamed the destruction of the library on the decree and a bunch of other things because they wanted to wipe out all "heathen" creations.



toggletoggle post by aril at Jun 25,2008 3:10pm
sorry, I didn't mean to disrepect your love for God, the supreme creator of all life on Earth.



toggletoggle post by SkinSandwich at Jun 25,2008 3:12pm
I heard he is black and wants to be the president. truu story.



toggletoggle post by aril at Jun 25,2008 3:14pm
I think it's time to post pictures of Black Jesus(es). Those are always hilarious.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 25,2008 3:26pm
that's anti-christ.

I always find it funny how the ever loving Jebus tells you to hate fags.



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jun 25,2008 3:28pm
the_reverend said[orig][quote]

I always find it funny how the ever loving Jebus tells you to hate fags.


Where does it say that?



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 25,2008 3:31pm
the seven tongues of god are in my mind. they speak to me in ancient DNA design.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 25,2008 3:33pm


leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."

granted that is leviticus and not the new testament. but the trinity holds that God's word is Jesus's word.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 25,2008 3:34pm
if i were to believe in "god", i would rather the Old Testament god. it was a pissed off, vengeful deity. the New Testament god is a pussy bitch.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 25,2008 3:36pm
Yahweh smote my enemies



toggletoggle post by Murph nli at Jun 25,2008 3:38pm
the_reverend said[orig][quote]
that's anti-christ.

I always find it funny how the ever loving Jebus tells you to hate fags.


Actually, along with the story of Lazarus, there is an interesting non-canonical text that talks about Jesus taking a young man into a house for the evening, a young man he meets in the city, and initiating him into a Mystery religion by explaining to the young man the inner workings of his teachings.

The interesting part of it is that the young man is clothed only in a thin sheet of linen, as it seems he is to be rebirthed.

The writer of the chronicle even goes as far as saying the young man's phallus as 'like a baby's arm holding an apple.' I guess that is a symbol for the fall of wisdom.



toggletoggle post by Murph nli at Jun 25,2008 3:40pm
Yeti said[orig][quote]
if i were to believe in "god", i would rather the Old Testament god. it was a pissed off, vengeful deity. the New Testament god is a pussy bitch.


There really is no New Testament 'God' per se. Just really an abstraction alluded to by its key figures. Lotta dudes who 'see' a lotta stuff.

I call bullshit.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 25,2008 3:41pm
when people see things now-a-days they are attacked by the ATF



toggletoggle post by W3 nli at Jun 25,2008 3:42pm
WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE TITS.



toggletoggle post by aril at Jun 25,2008 3:43pm
Let's all write the "Modern Testament" and write about the truth, and nothing but the truth.



toggletoggle post by W3 nli at Jun 25,2008 3:49pm
so youre gonna start killing white people and then write about it.



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Jun 25,2008 6:15pm
Jesus%20Christ said[orig][quote]
Oh wait, try reading the Epic of Gilgamesh too - it predates our book of Genesis and is the main influece for the story of Noah's Ark.


fuck that babylonian shit...sumerians had it right.

ANNUNAKI ARISE!



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Jun 25,2008 6:30pm






these tablets depicting alien "gods" coming down from "heaven" and making genetic soup are about as old as some creationists think the world is



toggletoggle post by Jesus Christ at Jun 27,2008 2:50pm
black jesus pics or gtfo



toggletoggle post by W3 nli at Jun 27,2008 2:55pm
osama



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toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Oct 2,2008 2:26pm
aril said[orig][quote]
he also wants to decriminalize mary jane I've heard.


Ron Paul wants to legalize all drugs.

Q: In your 1988 campaign you said, "All drugs should be decriminalized. Drugs should be distributed by any adult to other adults. There should be no controls on production, supply or purchase for adults." Is that still your position?

A: Yeah. It's sor of like alcohol. Alcohol's a deadly drug, kills more people than anything else. And today the absurdity on this war on drugs has just been horrible. Now the federal government takes over and overrules states where state laws permit medicinal marijuana 1 for people dying of cancer. The federal government goes in and arrests these people, put them in prison with mandatory sentences. This war on drugs is totally out of control. If you want to regulate cigarettes and alcohol and drugs, it should be at the state level. That's where I stand on it. The federal government has no prerogatives on this.

Q: But you would decriminalize it?

A: I would, at the federal level. I don't have control over the states. And that's why the Constitution's there.

http://www.ontheissues.org/tx/Ron_Paul_Drugs.htm



toggletoggle post by frb at Oct 2,2008 2:28pm
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toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Oct 2,2008 3:52pm
It's a self-hating Black man that hates God for making him Black.



toggletoggle post by SkinSandwich at Oct 2,2008 3:58pm
Jesus was a sadist.



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