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An open letter to VITAL REMAINS,
1991:
The fans are sick of being ripped off, and as a fan since 1990 and I am gonna voice my opinion...
VITAL REMAINS started to slip with Dechristianize. If I wanna hear a 4-minute song played twice then I'll play it over, why do you have to play the damn song twice and record it as one song?! Way too much fat on that CD that could have been slimmed, trimmed, tightened-up & been a meaner and leaner beast of a release instead of mostly fluff to fill time. It aint epic if it's repetitive and boring after multiple listens!
Also, gouging fans at shows on merch is lamer than Jesus himself. How come all the tiny bands and labels are charging $15, $12 even $10 for shirts and VR stuff at the same shows are $20-$25? You don't think people notice that and talk about it? You go overseas and charge double what they would normally pay also so they can only get 1 shirt instead of 2 at a show?! What happened to "Forever Underground"? Doesn't that mean something? Last I heard that meant your band trying to sue the record label using that slogan for their name.
So then, you get Anthony (probably the best vocalist since Gruslin) and all the fans love him... great personality, amazing on stage, open, chatty, funny, cool and everyone hopes that he is gonna do the vocals on the new record so bad! so when you announce at the Living Room (Glen did) the fans booed and chanted "Anthony!" Glen just says "Satan pays the bills" and did another song in his lame monotone, yay?
Everyone just said "well they only care about the money they will get with Glen on another release" - wow, your fans are so sharp, huh?
So what happened to Dave Suzuki? Anybody know?
I had a great idea...
LET US INTO DARKNESS
(VITAL REMAINS tribute band)
The entire setlist is only stuff from:
Reduced To Ashes
Excruciating Pain
The Black Mass
Let Us Pray
Into Cold Darkness
Gruslin-era ONLY!!!
See if that happens with the old members, would outsell any current VR tour, guaranteed!
Can anyone say Jump The Shark?
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vital remains was cool 6 years ago and as far as i'm concerned their riffs are still as relevant today. they can play "dechristianize" as much as they want and i'll still consider it ONE great metal song.
i mean, any moron can see that most of what they do is still pretty much the same song twice...but either way they still hit the hammer on the head of what they were goin for |
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i say "6 years ago" as a 23 year old...so don't bother with that "i'm older than you so therefore i'm cooler" bullshit |
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hey...i'm not even stoned
which is a sad story |
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I am, and in another hour... another bowl.
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if by hour you mean amateur hour...then yes
*see the "i do cocaine every 6 minutes so i'm better than you" thread...that's how i smoke |
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Amateur, ha! If you only knew...
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...and the one time we played with 'TONY REMAINS' in Long Island they setup their merch table for the day with some chick behind the table to increase sales, then ended up leaving the show without playing AND with all the money to pay the other bands, us (a band from New England) and Intestinal Strangulation (From L.A.).
Fortunately the brother of the promoter personally sent us both money out of his own pocket via paypal days later apologizing for the actions of Vital Remains. |
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...and the one time we played with 'TONY REMAINS' in Long Island they setup their merch table for the day with some chick behind the table to increase sales, then ended up leaving the show without playing AND with all the money to pay the other bands, us (a band from New England) and Intestinal Strangulation (From L.A.).
Fortunately the brother of the promoter personally sent us both money out of his own pocket via paypal days later apologizing for the actions of Vital Remains. |
oh, and the cover for the show was $25-30 if I remember correctly. FOREVER UNDERGROUND! |
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i also love money...somebody give me some money. |
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go take a raft and paddle your bitter jealous self down Niagra Falls head first this time Dwyer. I'll buy a Vital shirt any day for what ever price they are asking. Some people just cant stop living in the past. I like the old school songs too but Dechristianize and icons of evil blows all the old albums away. I like how the songs have the same riff twice. I think it's more catchy and memorable. Eat a dick dwyer!! Go die you old piece of shit!! |
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go take a raft and paddle your bitter jealous self down Niagra Falls head first this time Dwyer. I'll buy a Vital shirt any day for what ever price they are asking. Some people just cant stop living in the past. I like the old school songs too but Dechristianize and icons of evil blows all the old albums away. I like how the songs have the same riff twice. I think it's more catchy and memorable. Eat a dick dwyer!! Go die you old piece of shit!! |
glen benton everybody! let's give him a warm welcome and round of applause for taking the time out of bigfoot hunting to drop in and say hi. |
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Dechristianize and icons of evil blows all the old albums away. |
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Bare it and we'll share it.
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I sharted when I read this. I sharted hard. I sharted like a sharting shart. Does anyone here even know what shart means? It is like shit+fart. Shart. |
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From Metal Archives:
Wrath_Of_War wrote: "I'm glad someone wrote this. I've only been a Vital Remains fan for about 5 years (My first VR album was Forever Underground). I actually do like the Dechristianize album. It was my 3rd VR album, and I thought it was great. The vocals were...eh...but the songwriting was awesome. But it really doesn't sound like Vital Remains. It sounds like a different band. Listening to the triggered drums gets annoying too. I don't know why so many people hate this. I suppose because the band was slipping away from their original sound. But I still think it was a great album. I'll take Dawn of the Apocalypse any day though.
Icons of Evil is a piece of crap. Before I heard it, I read that it was "Dechristianize part II." But I bought the CD, and found it to be boring...just boring. I can't even make it through a whole song. I love everything Vital Remains released up until Icons of Evil. Even if they got Anthony to do vocals on the most recent album, it still wouldn't be that good. Forever Underground? definitely not."
"The fact that Vital Remains plays nothing from albums before Dechristianize is EXTREMELY disappointing. I don't know how good they are live. I watched the YouTube video for Dechristianize from their new DVD, and it looked pretty intense...but where's the Let us Pray material? Fuck, Dave AND Tony were both in the band starting with Forever Underground. They ARE Vital Remains in my opinion (at least, Today's Vital Remains). Why can't they play any of that material? It really upsets me. All Vital Remains fans are going to argue which album was the best, but we can all agree that it wasn't the last two they released. Shaking head, they should play the older material." |
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Some people just cant stop living in the past. |
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I agree with the kid.
If you love metal, you want better metal, not hipster noise made and bought by the same self-pleasing community of 50,000 loser metalheads.
Vital Remains used to have more promise in my view. |
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Amateur, ha! If you only knew...
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that sounds like a challenge...
bongfest 2008! |
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id be willing to bet that vital is in a large amount of debt if they are willing to do what they are doing. seems like every band i meet, the "bigger" they are the more broke they are. im not arguing on their side. im just stating the obvious. they have a shit ton of bills and probably owe every record label they were ever on money. bah, welcome to the music industry. |
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Maybe I'm spoiled because I got to see and play with 'em a bunch during the Gruslin - Forever Underground days, but I'll take Gruslin/Flynn era (Paul's riffs were what made the band, for me) over anything after. Suzuki is a hell of a player and the leads were pretty killer, but if leads > songwriting/arranging, I'd be listening to my shrapnel cassettes and practicing my arpeggios instead of listening to Van Morrison stoned on my deck, sipping a cold glass of milk and posting on the interfag. So yeah... I missed the band with Anthony on vocals and that sucks. Beyond the Benton thing being a shitty gimmick, the dude's vocals are pretty boring. Hearing about the Long Island incident pretty much ruined any credibility that had left at that point. I honestly wanted to check out the set at Metalfest to give VR v3.o a fairly-bigoted shot (the reviews up to that point weren't necessarily flattering), but unfortunately I missed their set and the Monstrosity tantrum.
... and that's how I feel about Vital Remains
By,
Ryan Adams |
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Yeah, pretty much all I feel like saying in this thread is that Anthony is the man. Anyone know if he's doing anything on his own musically? |
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Maybe I'm spoiled because I got to see and play with 'em a bunch during the Gruslin - Forever Underground days, but I'll take Gruslin/Flynn era (Paul's riffs were what made the band, for me) over anything after. Suzuki is a hell of a player and the leads were pretty killer, but if leads > songwriting/arranging, I'd be listening to my shrapnel cassettes and practicing my arpeggios instead of listening to Van Morrison stoned on my deck, sipping a cold glass of milk and posting on the interfag. So yeah... I missed the band with Anthony on vocals and that sucks. Beyond the Benton thing being a shitty gimmick, the dude's vocals are pretty boring. Hearing about the Long Island incident pretty much ruined any credibility that had left at that point. I honestly wanted to check out the set at Metalfest to give VR v3.o a fairly-bigoted shot (the reviews up to that point weren't necessarily flattering), but unfortunately I missed their set and the Monstrosity tantrum.
... and that's how I feel about Vital Remains
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Van Morrison FTW. Kudos sir. |
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ebola_legion
Posted: 02 Jun 2008 18:17
"Oh yeah, when Vital Remains played Los Angeles Metalfast, I sat down. They're fucking horrible, especially with Scott Willy doing vocals. I remember I sat down and read a Pit article on Decrepit Birth's new album, just about the same time Dechristianized started. I finished the article and I remember thinking "wow... this song is still fucking playing?"
For merch, the last shirt I got was about a month and a half ago, got it for $10, and even that was a waste because I don't wear it. I don't wear my band shirts all to often anymore, don't like feeling like a walking fucking advertisement."
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g I like how the songs have the same riff twice. |
twice? more like 2048324 times |
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also, the new deicide blows. im listening to it right now. snorefest and a half |
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Who gives a shit.
Find a new band to like and shut up. |
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People care... they do!
They care!
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hahahaha..... Dwyer, u made me lulz.
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I never swung from the vital nutsack so I can care less if they act like a ton of dickbags these days. I do dig their older shit but not enough to care about a thread like this. |
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Only a fag like dwyer would make a separate thread just for the bashing of Vital. Why don't you old school fans request on their myspace to play something old instead of complaining about it? |
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Where does dwyer pull these articles from? His ass? hahahaha..what a sorry loser. Come on..who has time to talk this much shit? It must take him hours to make up false stories about Vital and then say he got them from somewhere else. |
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also, the new deicide blows. im listening to it right now. snorefest and a half |
Me too. Not sure what I think yet, but my opinion of the last few was so bad it's hard to even estimate what it would take to recover it, other than "Legion II." |
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Then y did u post and read this whole thread? |
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The last post was for josh haha |
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dwyer wishes he could sing death metal. Another bitter jealous loser that needs to vent his frustrations on the new era of vital remains. He needs to talk his gay shit about the new members. Unlike you I'm not caught up in the past. Get a life you loser. |
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CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?????????????????????¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿ |
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that kid was only in it for the profit. |
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im in everything for the profit. i winz |
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'jesus the antichrist' seems to have a rather hurt butt over people dissing "his boy's" band.
*wink*wink*nudge*nudge* |
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Well you guys certainly like to talk shit on vital. But you do have to realize that their music is looked up to and well-respected in the metal community by many. Vital is a band that constantly tries to "up the bar" with every successive album, as Tony has been known to say in interviews, hence the changes in style.
So if you prefer the older shit, cool, keep listening to it. But why would you constantly bitch about them? Have you nothing better to do than post negativity? Vitals new shit has gotten them far more well known and better reviews. And if you're going to talk smack on lineup changes, have actual reasons to back it up. For example: because they are not technically up to par (which I'm sure is not true).
And, in my opinion, money issues shouldn't make a difference when it comes to liking a band's music. Do you guys even understand the music industry? If you did you would know how guarantees, contracts, and the business end of it works. Musicians constantly get ripped off by promoters so there comes a point when they have to stand up for themselves. Spend some time in the scene and you will see what I mean.
I also would like to add that by what many of you write, you come off as bitter/jealous, especially Autopsy 666. I'm assuming that since this is a new england based message board that you are from new england and maybe have some kind of resentment towards the band? I don't know man, thats just what I think.
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Ahh, I heard about you. Your the dude from ipissimiss. lol. what a joke!! your a dork and a chump. It's seems like antichrist speaks nothing but truth on here. goatcatalyst,blue and dwyer. All gay in my book. |
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goatcatalyst=gay blue=gayer dwyer=gayest |
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Well you guys certainly like to talk shit on vital. But you do have to realize that their music is looked up to and well-respected in the metal community by many. Vital is a band that constantly tries to "up the bar" with every successive album, as Tony has been known to say in interviews, hence the changes in style.
So if you prefer the older shit, cool, keep listening to it. But why would you constantly bitch about them? Have you nothing better to do than post negativity? Vitals new shit has gotten them far more well known and better reviews. And if you're going to talk smack on lineup changes, have actual reasons to back it up. For example: because they are not technically up to par (which I'm sure is not true).
And, in my opinion, money issues shouldn't make a difference when it comes to liking a band's music. Do you guys even understand the music industry? If you did you would know how guarantees, contracts, and the business end of it works. Musicians constantly get ripped off by promoters so there comes a point when they have to stand up for themselves. Spend some time in the scene and you will see what I mean.
I also would like to add that by what many of you write, you come off as bitter/jealous, especially Autopsy 666. I'm assuming that since this is a new england based message board that you are from new england and maybe have some kind of resentment towards the band? I don't know man, thats just what I think.
-Omar |
You rule dude!! You took the words right out of my mouth. |
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weird that all these people are reading this thread at 2:33am EST |
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This thread is now about moobs.
I lose because I don't have moobs. |
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I also would like to add that by what many of you write, you come off as bitter/jealous, especially Autopsy 666. I'm assuming that since this is a new england based message board that you are from new england and maybe have some kind of resentment towards the band? I don't know man, thats just what I think.
-Omar |
Don't fuck with Omar! |
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Then y did u post and read this whole thread? |
I at least keep hoping for something good from Vital Remains. |
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Fight me or you are a pussy. |
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bahahahaahah. |
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Fight me or you are a pussy. |
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Say it to my face sometime.
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goatcatalyst, blue and dwyer. All gay in my book. |
All people fucked over by VR, hmmm what a coincidence.
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I am pretty sure the reason for getting a 19 and 17 year old in the band was soo Tony wouldnt have to pay them. Fucking lame, what ever. People still wanna see them play so more power to them i guess
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If people are really getting mad about this, then why are they still posting? Everyone knows we're all assholes and that we feed off of peoples misery. |
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I also would like to add that by what many of you write, you come off as bitter/jealous, especially Autopsy 666. I'm assuming that since this is a new england based message board that you are from new england and maybe have some kind of resentment towards the band? I don't know man, thats just what I think.
-Omar |
Don't fuck with Omar! |
oh indeed! |
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so who else thinks tony read this thread and had his girlfriend post on his behalf posing as omar from the wire? i do. |
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for the first day this was up, i thought it was from an 18 year old fan. |
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money issues shouldn't make a difference when it comes to music. |
Agreed, should've used Anthony not Glen, but they raped the fans, bowed-down & sold-out and put out a substandard release.
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Do you guys even understand the music industry? Guarantees, contracts, business end of it |
Some of us know more than you will ever know about it.
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Spend some time in the scene and you will see what I mean. |
Well over 20 years experience here, I know what I'm talking about.
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many of you come off as bitter/jealous, especially Autopsy 666. |
Why would I be bitter and jealous? Of what... a failed band?
They should have had me manage them 10+ years ago. But honestly I have better things to do and more deserving bands to use my talents on.
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Do you guys even understand the music industry? If you did you would know how guarantees, contracts, and the business end of it works. Musicians constantly get ripped off by promoters so there comes a point when they have to stand up for themselves. Spend some time in the scene and you will see what I mean. |
this whole bit made me lulz |
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No kidding, pot meet kettle. |
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I have a great life, how about you?
8 year old Niagara Falls joke? |
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38 year old Niagara Falls joke?
You need a life outside of the internet. |
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JohnStamos
03 Jun 2008
"The only Vital Remains member who was there when I saw them was Tony Lazaro. It's unbelievable that I had to waste gas driving to Mokena, IL (same place Iced Earth played Powerfest) to see a $25 show where only one band member is present! There are plenty of great venues in Chicago that are way better than that dump. It was like watching Axl Rose parade around with the not-Slash-guitarist, and the not-Duff-bassist and not-Izzy-rhythm-guitraist, while he calls it "Guns N' Roses". Painful experience.
Band merch? Fuhgettaboutit. No wonder no one goes to quality metal shows anymore." |
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Dwyer, I'm not sure posting your MySpace really disproves that. |
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I like Vital Remains, and I'll admit I even like Deicide, but Glen's a fucking cocky son of a bitch. I like his vocal style, but there's plenty of other vocalists that can do it. |
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I like how dwyer is great at grammar, but terrible at math. anything above 3 he calls 8.
"1..2..3...um.. 8!"
I will give you a little hint. that's 4 other messageboards, not 8. 4.
four.
got it? |
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I'm not sure posting your MySpace really disproves that. |
If you look at the pictures you see that I have tons of friends, go to lots of parties, bars, clubs shows, etc.
Oh and I nail a variety of decent to hot chicks.
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I like how dwyer is great at grammar, but terrible at math. anything above 3 he calls 8.
"1..2..3...um.. 8!"
I will give you a little hint. that's 4 other messageboards, not 8. 4.
four.
got it? |
I can list the other 4, wiseass.
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don't forget, myspace ist krieg. a true way to proudly broadcast how awesome one is. |
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I use billboards to broadcast my awesomess. |
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ha, the whole time I've ignored this thread because I thought it said "from an 18 year OLD fan."
Now, this makes more sense. And yes, VR isn't what it used to be.
About talking shit..:
This is a message board. They're meant for discussion of any kind. Talking shit = discussion. |
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Talking Shit = Spraying fecal matter during Conversation |
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hahaha
"STOP SHALKING AT ME" |
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"We have to leave right now."
"Can't we stay just a few more minutes?"
"No... I shalked."
"What? You shalked?"
"Yeah... I tried to talk and a little shit came out... I shalked." |
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The guy in this thread needs his face smashed. What a loser. Who would want to talk shit about a band that works hard and is as big as vital remains. aparently he must think they are down on his level or something. |
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he likes to talk shit about my brother too. I'll tell you something. Scott doesn't deserve your shitty opinion. He has worked hard to get to this point. He deserves respect,not a couple losers trying to talk shit about him. Check his myspace page. Look at all the new fans that love him and his vocals. Fuck you and your articles. Just a bunch of opinions probably coming from fat, jealous people sitting at home eating and being miserable. |
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oh and other people are already using my name on here. It's probably the loser who started this thread. |
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Tori is a shalker stalker |
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oh and other people are already using my name on here. It's probably the loser who started this thread. |
how about you register instead of crying about it? |
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no, it was me. your hurt my feelings. |
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Oh and I nail a variety of decent to hot chicks.
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WHOOOA!! DUDE, THATS AWESOME! |
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Leo_S
Posted: 02 Jun 2008
"I share most of the same gripe, especially when it comes to the live song selection. VR as totally abandoned anything pre-Dechristianize. Why, I have no idea. Dechristianize and Icons are just not good albums at all. The last time I saw them, I couldn't help shouting between songs, "play some old shit". And no, they don't have to go back to Let Us Pray. But at least give us a song or two from Into Cold Darkness, Forever Underground, and Dawn Of The Apocalypse. After all, doesn't it say something about a band that sticks to their roots. It just tells me that Glen doesn't want to put any time in to the band accept play the tunes he recorded. Basically he's a pay to play guy and could give a shit about the Vital Remains legacy. Let's face it, he's just there to boost sales and kill albums with his terrible vocals."
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money issues shouldn't make a difference when it comes to music. |
Agreed, should've used Anthony not Glen, but they raped the fans, bowed-down & sold-out and put out a substandard release.
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Do you guys even understand the music industry? Guarantees, contracts, business end of it |
Some of us know more than you will ever know about it.
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Spend some time in the scene and you will see what I mean. |
Well over 20 years experience here, I know what I'm talking about.
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many of you come off as bitter/jealous, especially Autopsy 666. |
Why would I be bitter and jealous? Of what... a failed band?
They should have had me manage them 10+ years ago. But honestly I have better things to do and more deserving bands to use my talents on.
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Hahaha,why would Vital Remains have you manage them? That would have been the biggest mistake of their career. I bet your the type of guy that shows up to a record contract signing with a blank piece of paper. haha, sign your life away to NiagAra Falls suicide attempt boy. lol |
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Yeah, slipping is a suicide attempt?!
We were going to Milwaukee Metalfest, why would I try offing myself on the way?
It was adventure seeking, something to get the heart pumping and blood flowing for the rest of the 18 hour trip.
The weekend in jail was lame, but hey, it's life.
"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."
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Fags..lol all you bitter, jealous ballbusting losers. What kind of loser is going to go to other message boards just to bust Vital's balls? I bet you feel stupid? Oh, wait a minute you are always stupid so maybe thats just a natural feeling for you. |
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Fags..lol all you bitter, jealous ballbusting losers. What kind of loser is going to go to other message boards just to bust Vital's balls? I bet you feel stupid? Oh, wait a minute you are always stupid so maybe thats just a natural feeling for you. |
fail x2 |
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Bust their balls?
We want them to shape up or fuck off and die. Who needs another band (local or not) ripping people off?
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the band doing the ripping off themselves need...themselves...for the ripping off |
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It sounds like the only one that is bitter about being ripped off is you Niagara Fails. So just don't come to the show. I would gladly pay 30$ for a vital shirt because there is a demand here. They only charge 20$ per shirt though. By the way there is a Vital show this sunday in Providence and it's only 10$ |
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stop being mad at vital remains and start getting MAD AT GOD!!!!!!! |
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If I could rent a bus and pick up all the people who got burned (paid for a show and didn't get it), I would round them up and bring them to a VR show here and let them all be lynched for being ripoffs.
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Vital Remains should've disbanded in 2001. Tony is a rock star prick. The last two were weak compared to their old albums. If Tony doesen't own the name. I say Paul Flynn takes back the name and gets Joe Lewis, Rick Corbett, and Jeff Gruslin back in the band and kicks Tony out. Suzuki can stay though. |
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I had to put on my lollerskates to get through this thread.
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Vital Remains should've disbanded in 2001. Tony is a rock star prick. The last two were weak compared to their old albums. If Tony doesen't own the name. I say Paul Flynn takes back the name and gets Joe Lewis, Rick Corbett, and Jeff Gruslin back in the band and kicks Tony out. Suzuki can stay though. |
i grew up hanging out with Rick Corbett's sister, and i remember sitting around with them in their mothers house when i was maybe 17 (a little over a decade ago), and they told me he didn't want anything to do with VR, because he found out that they overdubbed some of his drum parts on "Into Cold Darkness"....
that rumour was confirmed by another member of the band (who i won't name, because i'm pretty sure he didn't want it getting around....i guess he didn't know that Ricky already knew) when i saw him a few years later (we were both working shitty jobs, accross the street from each other in Mansfield) and we shot the shit about his time in VR
anyway, my two cents on this whole situation
i saw VR live, opening for Deicide at Babyhead in Providence back in 1996 (i think....maybe 95), and it was one of the best death metal shows i've ever been to.
fast forward 4 or 5 years
VR at the living room with The Doosh Bags!!! (the first time i saw them with Thorn in the band, and the first time i ever heard The Doosh Bags....man their old drummer ruled!)
in my top five most fun/memorable shows list.
fast forward a few more years, i saw VR play with some shitty bands at some old warehouse in Olneyville....it was awful.
the band was tight, the sound was ok....but the setlist was 100 percent Dechristianize! what the fuck?!?!?!?!?!
i love Deicide, but Vital with Benton is just Generic, and it sells, only because Glen is on it.
i don't know about the price of their shirts, because i am big fat slob, and usually have to custom order t-shirts, so i don't own any vital remains shirts
but i am gonna defend Vital on certain points and disagree with some of you.
I think that Tony is a really nice dude, and about as metal as they come.... i can't remember a single death metal show in the new england area that i have been to, where he wasn't there supporting the local metal scene!! and i find it really odd to see so many of you bashing the guy
Suzuki, another really good dude, and an amazing musician, there are vital albums, where he plays every instrument on certain songs throughout the album and does most of the songwriting.
i will also disagree about Gruslin being their best vocalist. was he awesome, fuck yeah! but i don't see his vocals being any better than Joe or Thorn.
i disagree that Into Cold Darkness was their last good album.....it is my favorite.... but i definately think Forever Underground and Dawn of The Apocolypse (minus "The Night Has a Thousand Eyes"....what the fuck was Thorn thinking?) were excellent!
yes i agree some of their longer songs should be trimmed down because it's just a four minute song played twice....
but i still think every album before Dechristianize ruled.
even then Dechristianize wasn't bad, it just was nothing too original or memorable......
Icons of Evil....oh, Suzuki's drumming sounds faster, past that, i won't bitch if someone puts it on, but i'll never buy it.
anyway, i probably could rant on this subject all day, but it's pointless.....no offense to Dwyer or anyone else here.....but bands change all the time, and it's usually for the worse (especially when they have been around more than a decade), it's best to just accept it and enjoy their older material |
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wow, this thread turned into dwyer ripping thread. I know its real old, but instead of just defending vital, they decided to constantly put down dwyer... i wanna hear the niagrafalls story, sounds interesting. |
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i doubt dwyer took any offense to you DEFENDING vital, and yah, i gotta say as a drummer ICONS was definately stepping the bar up, but the whole record should have been one song, "Born to Rape the World" and it shoulda been 4 minutes. Add that to the title track from dechristianized and you have the best deathmetal ep ever. |
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i think dwyer should go retro and bring back the hair !! |
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TJ (er, "Thorn") was still, for my money, their best singer. He just got way too into being in his favorite band. Plus, y'know, cocaine is a hell of a drug. |
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The ravages of time, I'd rock the Skullet.
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kid a skullet and a handlebar mustachio and you'd be downright sinister !!! |
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if i can get away with it in a shirt and tie downtown I am gonna grow mine out too. |
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TJ (er, "Thorn") was still, for my money, their best singer. He just got way too into being in his favorite band. Plus, y'know, cocaine is a hell of a drug. |
i used hang with TJ alot, haven't heard from him in a long time, and last time i did talk to him, he didn't care about metal anymore, he did alot of drugs and he loved "Portished" and "Marilyn Manson"
but he was an awesome death metal vocalist |
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TJ (er, "Thorn") was still, for my money, their best singer. He just got way too into being in his favorite band. Plus, y'know, cocaine is a hell of a drug. |
i used hang with TJ alot, haven't heard from him in a long time, and last time i did talk to him, he didn't care about metal anymore, he did alot of drugs and he loved "Portished" and "Marilyn Manson"
but he was an awesome death metal vocalist |
Yeah he chilled out some from that period and just started smoking a lot of pot. |
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good to hear it man.
if ya see him, tell him orgy says what's up.
i haven't seen that fuckin guy in a long fuckin time |
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I've seen like 6 vocalists with vital. |
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ORGY:
does everyone call you orgy? Had is been that way for a while? I think i knew you from a longass time ago. Did you know Stephanie Carey from walpole? How about garth priest from millis? |
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those are some sexy 'staches |
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ORGY:
does everyone call you orgy? Had is been that way for a while? I think i knew you from a longass time ago. Did you know Stephanie Carey from walpole? How about garth priest from millis? |
yeah, my brother started calling me orgy when i was 9 (before either of us knew what it meant....i don't remember how it came about...but it stuck over the years)
those names ring a bell. are you one of those people. do you/did you used to hang out with scott mcfadden? or shannon hennessey?
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yes, scott mcfadden. He was a friend of a couple good friends of mine. He was real good friends with Garth Priest, and i believe you knew Andrew Fraizer too.. He was from Medfield, my home town. You remember him i'm sure? |
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i knew scott too, and he would remember me if i met him again but we only lhung out a couple times... i believe you were there for a couple of those times. You guys hung together all the time right? 95-98ish? |
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Vital Remains should've disbanded in 2001. Tony is a rock star prick. The last two were weak compared to their old albums. If Tony doesen't own the name. I say Paul Flynn takes back the name and gets Joe Lewis, Rick Corbett, and Jeff Gruslin back in the band and kicks Tony out. Suzuki can stay though. |
i grew up hanging out with Rick Corbett's sister, and i remember sitting around with them in their mothers house when i was maybe 17 (a little over a decade ago), and they told me he didn't want anything to do with VR, because he found out that they overdubbed some of his drum parts on "Into Cold Darkness"....
that rumour was confirmed by another member of the band (who i won't name, because i'm pretty sure he didn't want it getting around....i guess he didn't know that Ricky already knew) when i saw him a few years later (we were both working shitty jobs, accross the street from each other in Mansfield) and we shot the shit about his time in VR
anyway, my two cents on this whole situation
i saw VR live, opening for Deicide at Babyhead in Providence back in 1996 (i think....maybe 95), and it was one of the best death metal shows i've ever been to.
fast forward 4 or 5 years
VR at the living room with The Doosh Bags!!! (the first time i saw them with Thorn in the band, and the first time i ever heard The Doosh Bags....man their old drummer ruled!)
in my top five most fun/memorable shows list.
fast forward a few more years, i saw VR play with some shitty bands at some old warehouse in Olneyville....it was awful.
the band was tight, the sound was ok....but the setlist was 100 percent Dechristianize! what the fuck?!?!?!?!?!
i love Deicide, but Vital with Benton is just Generic, and it sells, only because Glen is on it.
i don't know about the price of their shirts, because i am big fat slob, and usually have to custom order t-shirts, so i don't own any vital remains shirts
but i am gonna defend Vital on certain points and disagree with some of you.
I think that Tony is a really nice dude, and about as metal as they come.... i can't remember a single death metal show in the new england area that i have been to, where he wasn't there supporting the local metal scene!! and i find it really odd to see so many of you bashing the guy
Suzuki, another really good dude, and an amazing musician, there are vital albums, where he plays every instrument on certain songs throughout the album and does most of the songwriting.
i will also disagree about Gruslin being their best vocalist. was he awesome, fuck yeah! but i don't see his vocals being any better than Joe or Thorn.
i disagree that Into Cold Darkness was their last good album.....it is my favorite.... but i definately think Forever Underground and Dawn of The Apocolypse (minus "The Night Has a Thousand Eyes"....what the fuck was Thorn thinking?) were excellent!
yes i agree some of their longer songs should be trimmed down because it's just a four minute song played twice....
but i still think every album before Dechristianize ruled.
even then Dechristianize wasn't bad, it just was nothing too original or memorable......
Icons of Evil....oh, Suzuki's drumming sounds faster, past that, i won't bitch if someone puts it on, but i'll never buy it.
anyway, i probably could rant on this subject all day, but it's pointless.....no offense to Dwyer or anyone else here.....but bands change all the time, and it's usually for the worse (especially when they have been around more than a decade), it's best to just accept it and enjoy their older material |
I wanna thank this dude for his words, he couldn't have said it better. Fuck all VR haters, if you don't like an album then don't fucking buy it. Don't be a pussy and start talking shit on a public forum. |
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i knew scott too, and he would remember me if i met him again but we only lhung out a couple times... i believe you were there for a couple of those times. You guys hung together all the time right? 95-98ish? |
yeah i've been friends with scott since 97...
i vaguely remember andrew.
what is your name? where would i have met you at?
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I wanna thank this dude for his words, he couldn't have said it better. Fuck all VR haters, if you don't like an album then don't fucking buy it. Don't be a pussy and start talking shit on a public forum. |
no problem dude!
i've been into vital for a long time, and i know a few of the band members (and ex-members) to be really cool guys, and i just had throw my opinions in to this conversation |
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My name is Jim Fitzpatrick. I was Garth Preists' roommate and good friend. I think, as strange as this sounds, that i spent some time with you and scott at a dunkin donuts in the middle of the night on route 1 in norwood/walpole. Perhaps? i dunno, that was a long time ago. How is Scott, you still talk to him? |
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TJ (er, "Thorn") was still, for my money, their best singer. He just got way too into being in his favorite band. Plus, y'know, cocaine is a hell of a drug. |
i used hang with TJ alot, haven't heard from him in a long time, and last time i did talk to him, he didn't care about metal anymore, he did alot of drugs and he loved "Portished" and "Marilyn Manson"
but he was an awesome death metal vocalist |
I used to know that guy. I met him through some of my CoS friends. I haven't seen or heard from him in years. |
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he did alot of drugs and he loved "Portished" |
smart man
drugs + portishead > vital remains all night long, baby |
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ps fight me or you're a pussy? |
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DRUGS + PORTISHEAD + VITAL REMAINS = ALL GOOD STUFF
emphasized by all caps. |
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Vital Remains should've disbanded in 2001. Tony is a rock star prick. The last two were weak compared to their old albums. If Tony doesen't own the name. I say Paul Flynn takes back the name and gets Joe Lewis, Rick Corbett, and Jeff Gruslin back in the band and kicks Tony out. Suzuki can stay though. |
i grew up hanging out with Rick Corbett's sister, and i remember sitting around with them in their mothers house when i was maybe 17 (a little over a decade ago), and they told me he didn't want anything to do with VR, because he found out that they overdubbed some of his drum parts on "Into Cold Darkness"....
that rumour was confirmed by another member of the band (who i won't name, because i'm pretty sure he didn't want it getting around....i guess he didn't know that Ricky already knew) when i saw him a few years later (we were both working shitty jobs, accross the street from each other in Mansfield) and we shot the shit about his time in VR
anyway, my two cents on this whole situation
i saw VR live, opening for Deicide at Babyhead in Providence back in 1996 (i think....maybe 95), and it was one of the best death metal shows i've ever been to.
fast forward 4 or 5 years
VR at the living room with The Doosh Bags!!! (the first time i saw them with Thorn in the band, and the first time i ever heard The Doosh Bags....man their old drummer ruled!)
in my top five most fun/memorable shows list.
fast forward a few more years, i saw VR play with some shitty bands at some old warehouse in Olneyville....it was awful.
the band was tight, the sound was ok....but the setlist was 100 percent Dechristianize! what the fuck?!?!?!?!?!
i love Deicide, but Vital with Benton is just Generic, and it sells, only because Glen is on it.
i don't know about the price of their shirts, because i am big fat slob, and usually have to custom order t-shirts, so i don't own any vital remains shirts
but i am gonna defend Vital on certain points and disagree with some of you.
I think that Tony is a really nice dude, and about as metal as they come.... i can't remember a single death metal show in the new england area that i have been to, where he wasn't there supporting the local metal scene!! and i find it really odd to see so many of you bashing the guy
Suzuki, another really good dude, and an amazing musician, there are vital albums, where he plays every instrument on certain songs throughout the album and does most of the songwriting.
i will also disagree about Gruslin being their best vocalist. was he awesome, fuck yeah! but i don't see his vocals being any better than Joe or Thorn.
i disagree that Into Cold Darkness was their last good album.....it is my favorite.... but i definately think Forever Underground and Dawn of The Apocolypse (minus "The Night Has a Thousand Eyes"....what the fuck was Thorn thinking?) were excellent!
yes i agree some of their longer songs should be trimmed down because it's just a four minute song played twice....
but i still think every album before Dechristianize ruled.
even then Dechristianize wasn't bad, it just was nothing too original or memorable......
Icons of Evil....oh, Suzuki's drumming sounds faster, past that, i won't bitch if someone puts it on, but i'll never buy it.
anyway, i probably could rant on this subject all day, but it's pointless.....no offense to Dwyer or anyone else here.....but bands change all the time, and it's usually for the worse (especially when they have been around more than a decade), it's best to just accept it and enjoy their older material |
I loved Forever Underground and Dawn of the Apocalypse. I was refering to Dechristianize and Icons of Evil being shit. |
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this thread should pick up all the names being dropped in it. |
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My name is Jim Fitzpatrick. I was Garth Preists' roommate and good friend. I think, as strange as this sounds, that i spent some time with you and scott at a dunkin donuts in the middle of the night on route 1 in norwood/walpole. Perhaps? i dunno, that was a long time ago. How is Scott, you still talk to him? |
oh yeah, i remember, there was a bunch of us who (scott, shannon, james swords, garth, josh burton) used to hang out at dunkee's when there was nothin else to do.... just coffee, greasy food, metal talk and dirty jokes.
the name rings a bell, so i'm sure the dunkin' crowd is probably where i know you from |
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oh, duh, and yeah, i still hang with scott all the time, we actually went to the devourment show on saturday, and he was at my comedy show on friday |
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makes sense. well... nice to see you online? or something? Stay brutal? |
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ps fight me or you're a pussy? |
ok...but only if it's a drinking contest, a rape conteast, or jello wrestling |
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I loved Forever Underground and Dawn of the Apocalypse. I was refering to Dechristianize and Icons of Evil being shit. |
sorry man, that whole rant wasn't directed only at you, there were others in the thread trashing everything after into cold darkness |
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this thread should pick up all the names being dropped in it. |
oh there's that clever sense of humour of yours again. |
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orgymf is a gay fat fuck and dwyer is a fucking loser piece of shit |
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My name is Jim Fitzpatrick. I was Garth Preists' roommate and good friend. I think, as strange as this sounds, that i spent some time with you and scott at a dunkin donuts in the middle of the night on route 1 in norwood/walpole. Perhaps? i dunno, that was a long time ago. How is Scott, you still talk to him? |
oh yeah, i remember, there was a bunch of us who (scott, shannon, james swords, garth, josh burton) used to hang out at dunkee's when there was nothin else to do.... just coffee, greasy food, metal talk and dirty jokes.
the name rings a bell, so i'm sure the dunkin' crowd is probably where i know you from |
Orgymf hangs out with King Thunderstool. |
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