this album still kicks my ass! is there anything better than the intro to Steal Away(the night)?

good times

haha, what up fool! so is Yetman your new best friend yet?

atleast 6 phone calls in about... an hour fer christ sakes. hahaha

fucking kid...

hahahaha

... someone's smoking dope

(and there's nothing wrong with that)

Eh - nowhere near as epic and badass as "I Don't Want to Stop". I mean, seriously, could the vibrato on those P.H.s GET any wider? It's a classic. LOL

(In all seriousness, I could never really get into Ozzy solo stuff; my brain knows it's got all the qualities of metal that I should like, but it just doesn't click.)

Rhandy Rhoades. Nuff said.

who the fuck is Rhandy Rhoades

Gee, I wonder.

are you thinking of one Randy Rhoades?

Or Rhandy Roades? LOL. I have no idea how to spell his name.

R. Handy Rhoahdhes.

lol i think i spelled it wrong too

brad weymouth said:

agreed, also songs like Revelation(Mother Earth) and Dee that expose Rhoads' musicianship, absolutely amazing

final answer:

Randy Rhoads

JDDomination said:


I'm working on Dee this week as part of my guitar lesson.

Guitar lessons? What are those?

He never took guitar lessons. LOL.

FuckIsMySignature said:

that's a tough one, with the classical finger picking and the quick legado runs, good luck

ya i'm pretty sure he did... he also gave them to students when not on tour. i take lessons to enhance my playing because i dont have the discipline or direction to learn more on my own.

He was 27 when he died but looked older than zakk wylde. Technically zakk wipes the floor with randy and can play his solos better. But if randy had live longer...............Well Randy is the man. Zakk just has like 10-15 years of extra shredding on his resume

I was joking. He most certainly did, and he'd take classical lessons everywhere the tour went. I am still taking lessons for obvious reasons.

captain fishfuck said:

yes, NOW Zakk has tighter chops than Randy, but back then Zakk couldn't touch Randy with a five-neck guitar. Randy came from a different background while Zakk has had guys like VH, Yngwie, and Michael Angelo Batio to learn from during his career. Randy did things back then that were futuristic, like on Mr. Crowley. His runs are still blistering, RIP Randy.

Agreed. Who knows what he would have done if he had lived longer. Zakk can write better solos than he has been but I think he's been too busy singing, playing bass, writing songs, playing piano banjo, bls and ozzy. If he focused himself on soloing it would be scary but the man is one of the hardest working men in music by far

I recently got a 100 greatest guitar solo compilation. I noticed there was a nirvana song on there.

Point is, when a guitarist dies their skills are automatically exaggerated about 5 times or more. Randy Rhodes was a GOOD guitarist, but if he were alive how would his playing stack up? Personally, I think his writing was some of the best in ozzy's career, but technique wise he can't hold a candle to Jake E. Lee.

As for Zakk Wylde, he's very overrated. Whoever listed VH, yngwie, and Michael Angelo as his influences is nuts. Zakk is a cheap heavy metal carbon copy of Billy Gibbons, which he's admitted himself more than enough times. He doesn't sweep, hates alternate picking, and uses pentatonic scales and hybrid picking constantly.

He doesn't hate alternate picking. That's what he does. I'm sure he could sweep like a mother fucker if he wanted to. For the record he does sweep on occasion. I've seen alot of local bands and have yet to see any guitarist who can hold a candle to zakk and there's a reason for that. How can you hate the guy that is responsible for all the sick pinch harmonics today in metal.

Some how I think Zakk can school all of us sweeping wise if he wanted to. Yes, most of his stuff is modal pentatonics, but there have been some other solos he's done that are by no means run of the mill theory.

Jake E Lee is definitely underrated, but still think Randy smoked him.

You're all sons of bitches, now I've totally got "Shot in the Dark" stuck in my head, wicked sweet pinch harmonics and all.

Bark at the Moon!!!!!

Finally intelligence. And do you know which ozzy guitarist had the least chops? Tony Iommi. Zakk is lucky enough to make lots of money playin his guitar. Of course he's great. He's got the chops,looks, and resume and I'd dear say he a virtuoso

metal_church101 said:

Bark at the moon was Jake, not randy.


As for those of you giving crazy props to Zakk Wylde and saying he can sweep like crazy, what do you base that on?

I'm going off a lesson video he did where they ask him about sweeping, and he says "what, this?" and does some really poorly executed 2 string 3 note descending sweep pattern and admits "I never really learned that stuff. I like to keep it simple."

Stop giving that hack more credit than he deserves, seriously.

I'll say it again: Randy was fucking GOOD. His writing and riffs were some of the best. But when it comes down to raw technique, he couldn't touch Jake E. Lee.

I know Bark at the Moon was Jake. That's my favorite song that he wrote with Ozzy.

captain fishfuck said:

Zakk uses trills and hammer-ons. Rarely does he alternate pick. No, he CANNOT sweep like a mother, and more, he doesn't want to. (see my above post). You've seen local bands, and none can hold a candle to Zakk? We'll just skip past the obvious Ozzy cover bands with some great guitarists, and go for Dan from Letdown, both guitarists from Powerglove, The kid from Cryptic warning, John Finn, and many, many, many more that I'd rate above Zakk Wylde's chickin-pickin wankery.

As for being responsible for pinch harmonics? Man, where the hell did you figure that one? I can pull a dozen albums right off the top of my collection that were released LONG before Zakk was even old enough to beat off, chock full of pinch harmonics. First to get it on the radio doesn't mean first to do it. Hell, even Eddie Van Halen was ripping out pinch harmonics before Zakk came along.

metal_church101 said:

Mine too, actually. That whole album mesmerizes me.

He is all alternate picking you moron. Up down up down. Just like your mouth on your daddys dick. He didn't invent the squeel. He invented how to use it in a metal riff. Van halen did squeels but come on....Not like zakk. Who cares if zakk does sweeping anyway? It's one technique of many. To me it's kinda cliche and boring. zakk's been a super shredder since he was 18 probably younger. Some people are born to excel on an instrument and zakk is clearly one of them.

I agree...These pantera and zakk wylde arguements are a joke. They're obviously beyond talented and successful

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArHvSMUlzdQ&mode=related&search=

I see hammer-ons and pulloffs. I see trills. I don't see one single example of alternate picking on any fast runs. Calling me a moron doesn't help your case, you still don't know what the hell you're talking about.

He's a self admitted blues based guitarist who worships billy gibbons. You seem to elevated him to some sort of metal-shredder godhood, which he does NOT deserve.

As for your repeated attempts at saying he was the first metal guitarist to use pinch harmonics, you're still wrong. Hell, since they came out the same year you could give just as much credit to Cowboys From Hell as you could to Zakks first album with Ozzy. You can go back to sucking Zakk Wyldes balls if you'd like. Personally, I still favor Jake E. Lee.

captain fishfuck said:

If it were so obvious, why would I be arguing with you?

I get this weird feeling you're not even a guitarist.

Note in the above video around 5:40, he does one semi fast alternate picked run, and slops the shit out of it. Yup, natural born shredder there.

Zakk Wylde fucking sucks. I don't care how well he can solo. BLS is one of the gayest bands I've ever heard and pinch harmonics sound like Ramrod metal. I wouldn't brag about inventing that faggotry.

Blizzard and Diary are metal classics. Everything Ozzy has done since Randy died has been complete crap. Jake and Zakk can't write a good riff to save their lives.
Black Sabbath vs Badlands?? Please.
Blizzard of Ozz vs. anything Jake or Zakk played on?? Please.

Writing good riffs is the ONLY thing that matters. Tony Iommi and Randy Rhoads were masters. Jake E Lee and Zakk Mild are boring cum garglers.

Josh_Martin said:

I agree there, to a point. However, while badlands DOES suck, you can't just dismiss the riffs on Bark at the Moon. The title track alone has one of the most recognizable riffs of Ozzy's career. I'd say Jake E. Lee's stuff was the closest sounding to Randy Rhodes'. The better solos are just a bonus.

The title track was the only good song on Bark at the Moon. The rest of that album sucks. Well, Journey to the Center of Eternity was kinda ok, but the rest, well, there's a reason the title track is the only song Ozzy still plays live.

Josh_Martin said:


That logic would work if Ozzy's setlist didn't have so much Zakk Wylde crap in it.

I ain't working with no freakin' scorpions.

i saw the Blizzard of Oz tour when it came through back in the day at the Ocean State Theatre....I'm pretty sure Def Leppard (who I fucking despise)
opened...but Rhoads was awesome and Ozzy still had a decent voice...

Zakk Wylde=Shred God
Read it and weap. Post a vid of you smokin Zakk or even coming 25% close. Hell...I'll even settle for 5% hack

captain fishfuck said:

There's no arguing with a zealot. I give up.

zakk wylde homo

I remember waiting for Blizzard of Oz to come out and was so siked to throw the tape into my boom box.

captain fishfuck said:

Why is it that "shred gods" always write the worst fucking songs?

"Shred god" hahaha, this guy can't be for real. I think capt fishfuck jerks off to his zakk wylde posters. Even the fake last name, "Wylde" is fucking gay. Not to mention the lame biker image. Zakk grew up in New fucking Jersey fer christ sakes and in the 80's he looked like he could've been in Trixter. Real rebel there.

Josh_Martin said:

The rebel flags are a real nice touch. Does he still wear bell-bottoms and pretend he's from the bayous, Pride & Glory style? I'm a little out of the loop.

Blizzard is sick, but Diary of a Madman is dominant.

wow, quite alot of answers. does the new versions of Blizzard and Diary have the re-recorded bass and drums still or did that lawsuit get settled? that is some fucking bullshit, more reasons to want to kill Sharon.

BLS...c'mon now, you know thats a joke band

This just in: My insane friend from growing up, whose entire wall was plastered with every Ozzy poster, wallhanging/tapestry/thingy and picture disk available was polled, and the answer was Randy Rhoads "if he was still alive." The discussion is now over, issue resolved. Next topic.

awesome album. unfortunately randy had one of the worst guitar tones ever.

Randy had some great lead tones on the 2 Ozzy albums he was on.

haha I love badlands.

this guitarist is better than all of the people talked about in above thread. except for maybe Iommi's song building.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YWXpHl9sGk

babyshaker nli said:

Petrucci is awesome, but after the first few Dream Theater albums I haven't really been able to get into their stuff as much. I liked the first album a lot, reminded me of Fates Warning or something.

I forget the name of the band, but Petrucci had some side project a friend of mine played me that was really good stuff. It was one of those supergroup type bands. He's burning me a copy, so I'm sure that will make regular rotation in my car for a while.

blizzard of ozz is ozzy's best line up and cd
while zakk is a great guitar player i feel he makes the classics sound like junk.

ArrowHead NLI said:

ya your most likely talking about liquid tension who are way better than dream theater if you ask me

JASON BECKERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

dream theater is gayer than liberace peeing on paul stanley's chest

i dont enjoy dream theater at all i do how ever enjoy petrucci

Hooker in sweatpants said:

no .. just james labrie. the rest of the dream theater members are insanely talented and write amazing music.

Petrucci is amazing, but Dream Theatre doesn't do anything for me, even though they are all very talented.

I don't know why you guys keep arguing about Pantera, it always ends up the same.

zakkk wyllddde is a fag. i wish the Hell's Angels or Devil's Deciples would beat his ass for being a wannabe.

Zakk Wylde is a shred god. He'll school anyone on this board

liquid tension is 100 million times better than dream theater

Paradigm Shift is fucking great song. excellent riffage

Zakk Wylde>Liquid Tension or Dream theatre

Zakk Wylde is extremely overrated and he can only write solos.

captain fishfuck said:

Dave Davidson > Zakk Wylde

FACT.

Backed 150%

Zakk sings, plays rhythm and lead, piano, banjo, and bass all better than you ever will

captain fishfuck said:

He plays mean Aeolian modes on his mouth harp.

You play the major scale on the skin flute. The only other guitarist that matters is Alexi Laiho. He's a metal machine and he rag's on John Petrucci. You got to love that

I break down the Rhoads/Wylde thing like this: solos vs. songwriting.

Rhoads composed better solos, but never was given the time to get to the point where he could write an album as consistently well written and multilayered as No More Tears. No leads that Zakk has written will ever top the Crowley or Flying High Again solos, but in terms of writing songs, the old Ozzy albums aren't as dynamic and consistent from beginning to end as No More Tears, even though they do have plenty of kick ass individual songs on them in a style that Zakk could never write.

Yeah, but their first album was called Metal Magic, and they wore eyeliner. Pussies.

ShadowSD said:



I'd agree with that for the most part.
But if we were to give Rhoads credit for innovation, he definitely was going off the beaten path for the entire length of his (unduly so ) shortened career, whereas Zakk took inspiration of other players and maybe expanded on it. That said, I personally prefer anything done by Rhoads over anything Zakk W has ever done but that's a matter of taste.

DestroyYouAlot said:

i bet they also had a great fuckin time everynight, partied like motherfuckers and scored with tons of hot sluts. quit bitching.

ShadowSD said:

You have got to be kidding. No More Tears was so gay I can't even describe how gay it is.
You think crap like I Don't Want to Change the World and Hellraiser and that gay fucking Mama song are examples of good song writing??
Note to self. Never check out Shadow's band.

Mess said:

he's a good guitarist, but yeah... hahahahaha

It just boggles my mind that a metalhead could prefer No More Tears to Diary of a Madman. I could see why some typical top 40 pop garbage fan would like it but that's like rating the black album over Master of Puppets.

I've got to agree that Zakk sucks. Anyone responsible for BLS should be killed or at least receive a severe beating. Pinch harmonics do not make a song. There is nothing even remotely interesting or catchy about that band. And yes, the biker image is gay.

FuckIsMySignature said:



FUCKING

FUCKING

FUCKING HOSTIIILE!!!

LMFAO.

largefreakatzero said:

"Pinch Harmonics do not make a song". I would buy you a beer for saying that. I fucking hate the overuse of that. Listening to Black Label Crap on a stick is akin to torture, particularly because of the bullshit pinch harmonics. Here and there is great... but a song built around that? Fuck that

Agreed. Tone-deaf meatheads need shows to attend too, and BLS draws them in like flies to a fresh dookie.

captain fishfuck said:

this kid is has to be fucking with us no one is that dumb hahah

PaganMegaN said:

He even uses those in the old songs making them sound like shit.

xanonymousx said:

Iron Man:

"Da, da, da da BREOOWWW, dadadadadadada, da da BREEEEEEEOWOWOVIBRATO"

I actually like some of Zakk's renditions off the Live and Loud Ozzy CDs (No More Tears tour) of the older songs. It's obviously not the same as Toni Iommi, Randy Rhoades and Jake E. Lee playing, but I liked what he did.

DestroyYouAlot said:

Bahahahahaha! Excellent spelled-out rendition of the pinch harmonic.

largefreakatzero said:

I went to the Berklee School of Typing.