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returntothepit >> discuss >> Zircon w/Necrophagist,Cattle Decapitation,Cephallic Carnage,Decapitated +more at the Worcester Palladium friday July 6th by scottfromzircon on Apr 29,2007 10:28pm
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toggletoggle post by scottfromzircon  at Apr 29,2007 10:28pm
This show starts at 5pm.

Palladium

Main st. Worcester,MA.




toggletoggle post by cav at Apr 29,2007 10:29pm
in dire need is playing this too. i guess they are actually hooking up local bands for a change. good for them. and good luck dudes.



toggletoggle post by Aegathis nli at Apr 29,2007 10:33pm
Im sure one way or another Goatwhore will wind up on this show



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Apr 29,2007 10:35pm
Aegathis nli said:
Im sure one way or another Goatwhore will wind up on this show




this is really good news though...they'll do well on this show



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Apr 29,2007 10:37pm
congrats to zircon. i need to go see arsis and cephalic carnage. this will be a great show.



toggletoggle post by Aegathis nli at Apr 29,2007 10:39pm
ill have more room to run around on the main stage, so i wont have to jump into the audience



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Apr 29,2007 10:40pm
it will be cool to see you up there on that big stage, my friend.



toggletoggle post by SM Nose Chief at Apr 29,2007 10:59pm
wow seriously congrats on that shit, thats a hellva show



toggletoggle post by AUTOPSY_666   at Apr 29,2007 11:17pm
I need to get my distro in this show.



toggletoggle post by Beorht-Dana  at Apr 29,2007 11:41pm
It seems like The Palladium is trying out Mark's formula of adding locals to bigger tours. Hopefully they won't do the pay-to-play thing as well.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Apr 29,2007 11:46pm
they're out-marksing mark's



toggletoggle post by Dankill at Apr 29,2007 11:47pm
Nah, I don't think that Palladium will do that. They make plenty of money from shows and, granted lately they've not been as reseptive toward local bands as they used to be, they never did pay to play. They know better then all these other dumbass bookers.

This tour is gonna be nasty.



toggletoggle post by ryan_ at Apr 30,2007 12:02am
Yea we got added to this as well. We are really excited. Congrats to you guys as well. See you there.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2007 12:05am
I'll probably be there.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2007 12:06am
hm.. weird that it's not on the events board.



toggletoggle post by immortal13 at Apr 30,2007 7:59pm
I cannot wait for that show. Especially the fact that In Dire Need just got on it.



toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Apr 30,2007 8:25pm
fuck, i've smoked pot with 6 out of the 9 bands on this tour.



toggletoggle post by pam   at Apr 30,2007 8:26pm
I will be at this shit. Killer tour. Congrats, Zircon!



toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Apr 30,2007 8:28pm
I'm guestlisted for the Northern Light's gig in upstate NY and this show too, bitches. Check out my sweet ego.



toggletoggle post by Anthonynli at Apr 30,2007 8:31pm
why are there local openers on a tour with this many bands? are they doing two stages?



toggletoggle post by blue  at Apr 30,2007 8:40pm
id be willing to think that theyre going to do a mini fest of sorts.



toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Apr 30,2007 8:43pm
well the original summertime slaughter that happened a few years ago, was a big 7 or 8 band tour. i remember, when they came here impaled, enter self and one other band couldn't play downstairs and were replaced with blood has been shed, the red chord and killswitch engage at the last minute. it was a defining moment in the fuck metalcore war. diecast's last show with that singer too, some kid got his head split open during their set and the whole show almost ended. skinless got banned that night too, vader played for 20 people. great show!



toggletoggle post by xanonymousx at Apr 30,2007 8:45pm
this is one week before the sounds of the underground tour... over all this is the show i choose to go to but i may end up at both cause i can get in for free.



toggletoggle post by xanonymousx at Apr 30,2007 8:46pm
i actually saw in dire need handing out flyers to this show outside of metalfest.



toggletoggle post by fleshfries at Apr 30,2007 9:12pm
this show is all ive been talking about lately...im so excited for it



toggletoggle post by Dankill at Apr 30,2007 10:29pm
I remember that night. Last time you'd see Skinless around here for a couple of years.



toggletoggle post by VomittingCarcass   at May 1,2007 3:54pm
awesome. this is going to rule.



toggletoggle post by scottfromzircon  at May 12,2007 8:36am
get there early for us.



toggletoggle post by Dankill at May 12,2007 11:47am
And don't forget your calculators to figure out what time signature Necrophagist is playing in.



toggletoggle post by BlackoutRick at May 13,2007 4:37pm
Dankill said:
And don't forget your calculators to figure out what time signature Necrophagist is playing in.


And Cephalic.




toggletoggle post by Aegathis  at May 13,2007 5:28pm
all youll need is a couple fingers to figure out what time signatures zircon plays in, hah



toggletoggle post by scottfromzircon  at May 14,2007 8:23am
Aegathis said:
all youll need is a couple fingers to figure out what time signatures zircon plays in, hah


Hah,and Anthony will have fun on the floor because we'll be having another gutarist up there with us. Maybe you can sit back and count our time signatures if you don't feel like going into the pit.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 14,2007 8:27am
is this going to be one or two stages?



toggletoggle post by fleshfries at May 14,2007 12:08pm
i thought this show started at 3



toggletoggle post by pam   at May 14,2007 2:20pm edited May 14,2007 2:20pm
scottfromzircon said:
Aegathis said:
all youll need is a couple fingers to figure out what time signatures zircon plays in, hah


Hah,and Anthony will have fun on the floor because we'll be having another gutarist up there with us. Maybe you can sit back and count our time signatures if you don't feel like going into the pit.





toggletoggle post by BlackoutRick at May 14,2007 6:21pm
tix on sale yet?



toggletoggle post by Aegathis  at May 14,2007 7:14pm
scottfromzircon said:
Aegathis said:
all youll need is a couple fingers to figure out what time signatures zircon plays in, hah


Hah,and Anthony will have fun on the floor because we'll be having another gutarist up there with us. Maybe you can sit back and count our time signatures if you don't feel like going into the pit.


In that case Ill have fun showing up after zircon plays like everyone else going to this show.



toggletoggle post by scottfromzircon  at May 16,2007 7:55pm
Aegathis nli said:
ill have more room to run around on the main stage, so i wont have to jump into the audience


Hahahahahaha.......................................



toggletoggle post by scottfromzircon  at May 16,2007 7:58pm
If he did do this show on the main stage it wouldn't suprize me if he lost his guitar wire again.



toggletoggle post by pam   at May 16,2007 10:39pm
Are you two gonna start pulling hair?



toggletoggle post by 3eaa at May 17,2007 2:10am
Aegathis >>

In that case Ill have fun showing up after zircon plays like everyone else going to this show.>>




toggletoggle post by scottfromzircon  at May 17,2007 9:44am
the show start's at 12pm



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 17,2007 9:47am
noon on a fucking friday!?!



toggletoggle post by scottfromzircon  at May 17,2007 9:48am
I guess we'll be playing to an empty Palladium. Decapitated goe's on at 2pm



toggletoggle post by scottfromzircon  at May 17,2007 9:49am
the_reverend said:
noon on a fucking friday!?!


That's what it say's on the Harder Faster page.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 17,2007 9:51am
I need to get a photo for this.



toggletoggle post by infant_skin_suitcase at May 17,2007 10:58am
shit, this show is so early! does anyone know what time cephalic carnage would be playing at?



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 17,2007 11:03am
by the looks of how early this show is, -14am.



toggletoggle post by pawt nick at May 17,2007 11:17am
if i can't get there untill 6 what bands will i be able to catch?
i know it's still a month and a half away, but does anybody involved have a set schedule?



toggletoggle post by pam   at May 17,2007 11:58am
Noon on a Friday? that's weak. I'll be there at like....7pm.



toggletoggle post by scottfromzircon  at May 17,2007 10:33pm
[IMG][http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1126/sumslaughterex6.jpg /IMG]



toggletoggle post by scottfromzircon  at May 17,2007 10:34pm
[IMG]http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1126/sumslaughterex6.jpg [/IMG]



toggletoggle post by scottfromzircon  at May 17,2007 10:35pm



toggletoggle post by scottfromzircon  at May 17,2007 10:36pm
the sounds of the underground tour also starts at 12 pm the following friday



toggletoggle post by pam   at May 18,2007 4:33pm
Scott...meet the edit button...edit button, Scott.

I'm going to beg for a photopass for this, wish me luck.



toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at May 18,2007 8:14pm
haha, Zircon is so much bigger than all those national bands!
post the fucking set times dude!



toggletoggle post by enemybasslegion2 at May 25,2007 8:48am
post the set times! this brightened up my day ive been taking MCAS all morning



toggletoggle post by Samantha at May 25,2007 8:22pm
Aegathis said:
scottfromzircon said:
Aegathis said:
all youll need is a couple fingers to figure out what time signatures zircon plays in, hah


Hah,and Anthony will have fun on the floor because we'll be having another gutarist up there with us. Maybe you can sit back and count our time signatures if you don't feel like going into the pit.


In that case Ill have fun showing up after zircon plays like everyone else going to this show.





toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at May 26,2007 12:41am
i just picked up The Facelss'seses cd. have to say i'm looking forward to seeing that shit live. also the rest of the bands on this bill are dominant.



toggletoggle post by ghey at May 26,2007 8:04am
BornSoVile said:
well the original summertime slaughter that happened a few years ago, was a big 7 or 8 band tour. i remember, when they came here impaled, enter self and one other band couldn't play downstairs and were replaced with blood has been shed, the red chord and killswitch engage at the last minute. it was a defining moment in the fuck metalcore war. diecast's last show with that singer too, some kid got his head split open during their set and the whole show almost ended. skinless got banned that night too, vader played for 20 people. great show!



hahahaha i remember that show cuz when that kid got knocked out, it stopped the whole show for like an hour. kinda sucked



toggletoggle post by scottfromzircon  at Jun 7,2007 8:58pm
remember to take the day off from work friday so you can see us play.



toggletoggle post by scottfromzircon  at Jun 7,2007 9:00pm
haha,yea sure you'll do that



toggletoggle post by christopher at Jun 7,2007 9:48pm
I can't make it that day, but good job to zircon for getting onto this show, I hope it works well!



toggletoggle post by scottfromzircon  at Jun 13,2007 8:47am
-l-



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 13,2007 8:52am
will be shooting.



toggletoggle post by enemybasslegion2 at Jun 17,2007 10:30pm
i took the day off and ive got tickets, and i will be there for zircon. any other locals playing?



toggletoggle post by Anthny at Jun 17,2007 11:10pm
I'm not gonna catch the opening bands, but I need to go to this. Anybody driving from and back to the Boston area?



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jun 18,2007 6:08pm
Anthny said:
I'm not gonna catch the opening bands, but I need to go to this. Anybody driving from and back to the Boston area?


we could arrange some carpoolage. i believe niccolai will be coming to this with me, but i'll have to check with him first. either way, i'm 98% sure i'm going and could give you a ride.



toggletoggle post by hungtableed at Jun 18,2007 6:17pm
Motherdicka, I'll be there.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 18,2007 7:05pm
yeah, I just got the AOK on shootiing this today.



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jun 18,2007 7:09pm
i will probably be shooting and then taking off for Giants Stadium because I'm shooting a show there the day after



toggletoggle post by scottfromzircon  at Jun 30,2007 8:50am
Doors at 1pm



toggletoggle post by Aegathis  at Jun 30,2007 11:34am
Anthny said:
I'm not gonna catch the opening bands, but I need to go to this. Anybody driving from and back to the Boston area?


yes, but not till around 6



toggletoggle post by timjohn at Jun 30,2007 1:25pm
this is going to RULE



toggletoggle post by fishcakes at Jun 30,2007 5:58pm
I will be there at around 3



toggletoggle post by Keithnli at Jun 30,2007 6:11pm
if i werent poor, i would go to this show.



toggletoggle post by fishcakes at Jul 1,2007 9:52am
what are the set times?



toggletoggle post by Dankill at Jul 1,2007 12:10pm
Bought my ticket yesterday. It ain't sold out.
See ya there!



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jul 1,2007 6:41pm
dan, we'll have to arrange some chillage at this show.



toggletoggle post by hungtableed at Jul 1,2007 8:19pm
Word up, I just ordered my tickets on massconcerts.com
I'll be the asshole drinking scotch in the parking lot before I head in.



toggletoggle post by pam   at Jul 1,2007 11:31pm
hungtableed said:
Word up, I just ordered my tickets on massconcerts.com
I'll be the asshole drinking scotch in the parking lot before I head in.


I know who I'm hanging out with.



toggletoggle post by timjohn at Jul 2,2007 12:15am
timjohn said:
this is going to RULE





toggletoggle post by trampletheweak at Jul 2,2007 11:26pm
what time does anyone think this will get out ?



toggletoggle post by i_am_lazy at Jul 3,2007 1:12am
Probably not terribly late, they're starting it fairly early...around when they start Metalfest and there's fewer bands (As far as I know)...so I'd guess 1 at the latest.



toggletoggle post by GoatOfCatalyst at Jul 3,2007 1:34am
lookin forward to getting SNOOKERED with Cephalic

Mr. Fucking, we're having a beer or eight.



toggletoggle post by Dankill at Jul 3,2007 4:27pm
Mark, it shall be done.
As long as Nic isn't trying to suck you off again, then I can't hang around you guys. I'm just not comfortable being forced into that situation.



toggletoggle post by VomittingCarcass   at Jul 3,2007 4:39pm
what time does zircon go on? i might be able to get there early. see all you fucks there...



toggletoggle post by Nash nli at Jul 3,2007 9:04pm
Yeah, does anyone know the order of bands for this?



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jul 3,2007 9:25pm
haha, if those beers are root beers, ryan, then count me in.



toggletoggle post by Uh at Jul 3,2007 11:04pm



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jul 3,2007 11:10pm
god fucking dammit.



toggletoggle post by archaeon at Jul 3,2007 11:31pm
This is like the 5th time I've missed them. what the gay



toggletoggle post by Uh at Jul 4,2007 12:08am
Nash nli said:
Yeah, does anyone know the order of bands for this?



toggletoggle post by Dankill at Jul 4,2007 9:19am
That fucking blows. I wonder if they are gonna get any bands to fill that slot or just roll with the punch?



toggletoggle post by archaeon at Jul 5,2007 4:24pm
Tomorrow! There's going to be so many douchebags at this, it shall rule.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jul 5,2007 4:28pm
Uh said:
Arsis just cancelled.
http://www.smnnews.com/2007/07/03/arsis-drop-off-summer-slaughter-tour/


FUCKING GAY




toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 5,2007 4:31pm
the venue manager said doors at 3pm



toggletoggle post by AUTOPSY_666   at Jul 5,2007 4:33pm
I'll get there around 6:00.

Rev, get the set times!



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jul 5,2007 4:38pm
woooo! i can't wait to finally see necrophagist, beneath the massacre and decapitated. i can't wait to hear the new cephalic carnage shit live too; their new album is fucking crushing. the faceless will definitely be awesome to see again.



toggletoggle post by cav nli at Jul 5,2007 4:50pm
talked to the in dire need guys this show definitely starts around 3-4 and they are going on around 5 (3rd slot) so if you get there after work you shouldnt miss too many of the nationals. hope to see lots of friends tomorrow!



toggletoggle post by cav nli at Jul 5,2007 4:50pm
talked to the in dire need guys this show definitely starts around 3-4 and they are going on around 5 (3rd slot) so if you get there after work you shouldnt miss too many of the nationals. hope to see lots of friends tomorrow!



toggletoggle post by archaeon at Jul 5,2007 6:05pm
who else is opening other than zircon and IDN?



toggletoggle post by trampletheweak at Jul 5,2007 6:14pm
post set times!



toggletoggle post by scottfromzircon  at Jul 5,2007 6:37pm
We are loading in at 1pm tomorrow but I do believe the show is starting at 3pm



toggletoggle post by i_am_not_me   at Jul 5,2007 7:47pm
Doesn't look even remotely close to sold out. Said ticket #168 when I went to tickets.com (Not that I'd actually BUY a ticket like that, just a good check to see how much they've sold...at least I think, I don't know if the numbers are entirely random and arbitrary)



toggletoggle post by archaeon at Jul 5,2007 7:58pm
i_am_not_me said:
Doesn't look even remotely close to sold out. Said ticket #168 when I went to tickets.com (Not that I'd actually BUY a ticket like that, just a good check to see how much they've sold...at least I think, I don't know if the numbers are entirely random and arbitrary)


most of the tickets are sold from FYE




toggletoggle post by AUTOPSY_666   at Jul 5,2007 8:37pm
It wont sell out by 6:00pm... hopefully!



toggletoggle post by fishcakes at Jul 5,2007 9:16pm
it may



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jul 5,2007 9:49pm
3 pm seems to be the most used time for this show to start, so i guess i'll believe that. i'll probably be there at 3:30 or so. i haven't been to the palladium in a loooong ass time, so i'm not sure if they still do this, but will there be separate lines for those who have tickets and those who don't? and if i've got tickets at will-call, which line would i have to be in?



toggletoggle post by sever nli at Jul 5,2007 10:32pm
MarkFuckingRichards said:
3 pm seems to be the most used time for this show to start, so i guess i'll believe that. i'll probably be there at 3:30 or so. i haven't been to the palladium in a loooong ass time, so i'm not sure if they still do this, but will there be separate lines for those who have tickets and those who don't? and if i've got tickets at will-call, which line would i have to be in?


those who dont have tickets go up to the ticket booth inside and buy them and then cut people with tickets in line.

people with tickets get angry when people without tickets cut them.

that's generally how it goes down.



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jul 5,2007 10:48pm
but what if i have purchased tickets and they are held at will-call? technically that means i have tickets. i guess i'll have to find out tomorrow.



toggletoggle post by Uh at Jul 5,2007 11:46pm
Does anyone at least know the order of the bill?



toggletoggle post by vomittingcarcass   at Jul 5,2007 11:49pm
that means your part of group 6-c, who cuts everyone, goes through the door, and wait in line behind 3-5 people at t'e tiny window inside where its cash only every other show that starts with 'S'. Once you have paid cash, or maybe winked to let the guy use your debit card as a Discover card, he gives you 'THE TICKET' then you look for the shortest line to tear your ticket, cut in front of the people being molested, get molested, then you pass. UNLESS, you look like a guy they kicked out earlier, at which point you will be questioned and fucked with to see if you are too drunk.



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jul 6,2007 12:02am
haha, thanks mitch.



toggletoggle post by Jimmy Justice at Jul 6,2007 3:19am
the show doesnt start at 3. doors are at 3.



toggletoggle post by 666 at Jul 6,2007 10:58am
No,they'll put the locals on at 2:55



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 6,2007 11:08am
ha! that reminds me of every metalfest until I was "special"
walking in as the first bands were finishing.



toggletoggle post by GoatOfCatalyst at Jul 6,2007 11:28am
anyone have set times yet? gosh!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 6,2007 11:30am
I just emailed out asking for them.



toggletoggle post by thegreatspaldino   at Jul 6,2007 1:20pm
leaving for this sooooooooooon



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 6,2007 1:25pm
first band is on at 3:15, last band is over at 11pm.



toggletoggle post by Uh at Jul 6,2007 1:39pm
Where can I park at the palladium besides street parking?



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jul 6,2007 1:43pm
anyone know when the Faceless goes on?



toggletoggle post by GoatOfCatalyst at Jul 6,2007 1:48pm
doors at 3

4:25 beneath the massacre
5:10 ion dissonance
5:55 blood runs black
6:40 the faceless
7:45 cattle decapitation
8:25 cephalic carnage
9:05 decapitated
10:00 necrophagist

... you're welcome



toggletoggle post by I_am_not_me   at Jul 6,2007 1:52pm
"last band is over at 11pm."

Necrophagist only gets an hour? LAME

At least my plan to get there at 6-ish skips Ion Dissonance. Unfortunately it means I may catch some of As Blood Runs Black.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jul 6,2007 2:12pm
thanks goat



toggletoggle post by AUTOPSY_666   at Jul 6,2007 3:03pm
Fuck, I guess I will be missing BENEATH THE MASSACRE.



toggletoggle post by GoatOfCatalyst at Jul 6,2007 3:06pm
no probs. load up your distro with some extra hateful filthy black shit, metal merchant! and did i give you an ipsissimus demo yet?



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 6,2007 3:15pm
traffic and parking is in-fucking-sane. the entire center of the town is blocked off. the center where I always park that is.



toggletoggle post by AUTOPSY_666   at Jul 6,2007 3:36pm
The distro is staying home.

No demo yet, bring me one.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 6,2007 4:20pm
me either, jerk.
I saw ryan adams on the guestlist. what an ass.



toggletoggle post by AUTOPSY_666   at Jul 6,2007 4:24pm
Put John Dwyer +1 on there!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 6,2007 4:25pm
I'm down in the front now.

zircon: ran in and caught them. People said they only had one song left, but they were able to do a couple more. I was totally surprised at all the people there that early to see them/idn. Idk who the new guitarist was. He needs long hair to fit in.

in dire need: they pulled off the big stage by joey constantly being in/on/at the crowd. They had plenty of people jumping up from the crowd. Ryan jumped down for the last song too. They had sooo many people in the crowd singing along for them..er.. More like "OOOOOOOUUUUR"ing along for them. with all the running around, you would have thought that joey would have gone through a million mics, but he only killed one chord so they gave him the short chord.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 6,2007 4:49pm
oopies.. I almost posted that again.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 6,2007 4:57pm
beneath the massacre: the singer is so massive. It probably helps the band cause they with out their instruments, people would probably think they were wiggers. Their music is a beautiful composition of the brutal and technical. I'm still stunned that they pulled it off with only one guitar. I noticed that the bass-player picks up a lot of the rhythm parts. They have been on tour since the show they played here in April. The singer claimed his voice was getting horse from in. I don't believe him. If it ever went out, he could scare it back



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 6,2007 5:38pm
ion dissonance: who the hell is that on vocals? It looks like kevin leary or that guy formerly of TTEOTD. Sounds a lot different. The new singer had a lot better english skills. He acted like this was his band (though his voice was sort of horse) so I'm going assume that he's been in it for a while. I was sort of distracted by that the whole set. Anyone want to shed some light?



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jul 6,2007 5:39pm
hey rev? still tix avail for this



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 6,2007 5:45pm
I would say yes looking at the size of the crowd. it might be 1/2 to 2/3 full.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 6,2007 6:22pm
ok, I asked and ion d's had that new singer since november.

as blood runs black: they had to put in a whole new drumset for them so it took up probably all of arsis's set to do that and sound check it. This band completely looks like the most random dudes you could find just decided to start a band together. When I didn't see the bass player, I figured he would come out looking like roid rage carrot top. As they got into their set, it didn't remind me of black dahlia at all (no sarcasm). Their last song, my fear is phobias or whatever and they sounded NOTHING AT ALL LIKE BDM (sarcasm). It was like they were doing a BDM song and the singer acted a lot like trevor. The guitarist that did most of the running melodic riffs continually jumped down to the audience. but their set wasn't that bad none the less.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 6,2007 8:16pm
faceless, the: very good and very humble. It seems like the keyboardist does more with their sound. Or maybe I could just hear it more. Not sure. They are still deathcore-y, but I think I will like them on CD.

cattle decapitation: they were set up, but then they walked off the stage and it started to smell like cephalic carnage (if you get my drift). After about 5-10 of the longest minutes ever, they started up. One of the bouncers here leaned over to me and said "that dude is gross", pointing at travis (the singer). For the entire set, he was his usual mucus and water bubbler. The whole floor in front of him was a collection of spewage and dribblets. I too an insane about of pictures of these dudes. I actually had a purpose though (this time at least) for an AD. They ended with karma bloody karma instead of the recapitation of the cattle.



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jul 6,2007 9:25pm



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 6,2007 10:13pm edited Jul 7,2007 2:44am
cephalic carnage: wow, even their songs of the metalcore album killed. The new bassist/back up singer screams like jason used to in dying fetus, leaving the singer with nothing to do for a lot of the newer songs. With an energy level that is through the roof, I should never expect anything less from these dudes. they also shouted out al and goratory.

decapitated: wowwie wowwie wow wow! they were so good. The last time they played the palladium blew goats. This time they totally redeemed themselves. Everything was perfect. Well.. They are still short one guitarist, but besides that, I couldn't have been happiest (though playing the complete nihility lp wouldn't have hurt). during their set, people from all the other bands were on the side of the stand and some of them dove off into the crowd. Decapitated's tour manager threw water in my face :(.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jul 7,2007 12:35am
fucking badass show. first time seeing alot of those bands. i think i temporarily decapitated myself during Decapitated's set. still pissed that Arsis was a no show however.



toggletoggle post by FleshFries at Jul 7,2007 12:55am
i wish decapitated had a longer set...they deserve it completely



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 7,2007 1:14am
decapitated got a perfect amount of time.



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jul 7,2007 1:22am
As Blood Runs Black lost their drummer who was the only good part of that band. What a shame.



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Jul 7,2007 1:26am
Also, I'm curious to know: Was Beneath The Massacre's drummer as nasty live as he sounds on record?



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 7,2007 1:30am
one of the drummers played kind of slow and sloppy... I'll have to look at pictures to see if it's him. my pictures are processing soooooo friggin slowly.



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jul 7,2007 1:57am
this was definitely a sick show. i missed zircon and idn, but i'm sure i'll catch them on a million other shows.

beneath the massacre was fucking awesome, and yes their drummer played as tight live as on the CD. they all did, but the sound in palladium didn't do justice to them of course. same with ion dissonance; i'm not a huge ID fan, but it would have been cool to actually hear what they were doing. i'm glad i was outside for as blood runs black, because they suck. the faceless always play tight as hell but the sound their destroyed them; another band falls victim to the palladium. cattle decap was pretty good, but waaay better when they played good times last june.

cephalic carnage and decapitated stole the fucking show. one of the guitarists in the faceless had told me that decapitated left all their money in a hotel room in quebec, so when they were halfway to the palladium they had to turn back around. everyone said they were most likely not playing, so i was fucking bummed since i had never gotten a chance to see them before, but then there they were setting up on stage. their set was fucking amazing, and the pits for them were fucking RIDICULOUS! i wish they played one more song, but i was quite happy.

this was my first time seeing necrophagist, and it was awesome. i feel like i couldn't appreciate it 100% since i was tired, hungry, had to shit and my feet felt like they were going to explode, but they were awesome none the less.

very nice meeting hung to bleed for the first time, and i saw a shitload of people there i haven't seen in a while.

and what made this night even better was the $300 speeding ticket i got on the way home! woooo! foiled once again.



toggletoggle post by goatcatalyst   at Jul 7,2007 2:28am
MarkFuckingRichards said:

and what made this night even better was the $300 speeding ticket i got on the way home! woooo!





toggletoggle post by goatcatalyst   at Jul 7,2007 2:29am
oh yeah - good show



toggletoggle post by AUTOPSY_666   at Jul 7,2007 5:18am
Killer time, great seeing everyone.

I got a $235 ticket for speeding, doing 86 in a 50!



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jul 7,2007 7:07am
Wow..cops got money from metalhead$ ... or did they?



toggletoggle post by Aegathis  at Jul 7,2007 8:20am


thats not cadaveryne Tony in the middle is it??



toggletoggle post by This_Is_Heresy  at Jul 7,2007 10:11am
Did anybody else hear the singer for As Blood Runs Black as the crowd to "Bring the Ruckus?"

I dont remember the last time I laughed that hard.



toggletoggle post by demondave at Jul 7,2007 10:26am
Whats the story behind the tooth photo in the Random section?



toggletoggle post by vomittingcarcass   at Jul 7,2007 10:43am
This_Is_Heresy said:
Did anybody else hear the singer for As Blood Runs Black as the crowd to "Bring the Ruckus?"


I dont remember the last time I laughed that hard.


That part is even stupider on CD.




toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jul 7,2007 11:15am
AUTOPSY_666 said:
Killer time, great seeing everyone.

I got a $235 ticket for speeding, doing 86 in a 50!


pff, you got lucky then. i got pulled over for going 85 in a 55, which was bullshit. i was definitely doing 85 at one point in the night, haha...but not when i got pulled over. i was stuck behind someone in the passing lane going about 75 or so, then saw someone tailgaiting me so i just decided to pull into the middle lane. the car that was tailgaiting me followed me into the lane, and low and behold it was a cop. faaantastic. i'll be appealing this shit.



toggletoggle post by thegreatspaldino   at Jul 7,2007 11:29am
This_Is_Heresy said:
Did anybody else hear the singer for As Blood Runs Black as the crowd to "Bring the Ruckus?"

I dont remember the last time I laughed that hard.



actually... during the new Wu-Tang's set... they busted out some fake ass "death metal" breakdown and the vocalist tried doing death vocals... i laughed really hard then went into the pit and did jumping jacks. what a fucking joke that band is.



toggletoggle post by cav at Jul 7,2007 11:42am
This_Is_Heresy said:
Did anybody else hear the singer for As Blood Runs Black as the crowd to "Bring the Ruckus?"

I dont remember the last time I laughed that hard.


the funniest thing about this is that "bring the ruckus" is actually in the lyrics of the song, im pretty sure its "bring THA MUTHA FUCKIN RUCKUS" during the breakdown...possibly the lamest thing ive ever heard in a metal song EVER. besides sounding like a rip off of a rip off of a rip off, this makes me hate this band even more. haha.

besides them though, this show was sooo sooo awesome. the faceless, decapitated, and necrophagist blew me away. but i mean all the bands were awesome but those three stole the show for me. sad that decapitated only got a short set cus they were late but at least they played a couple songs of nihility, i was rockin out like a little kid. and for necrophgist i pretty much watched the drummer the whole time, psyched that he got a solo, better than the one i saw neil pert do last week, BY FAR. i cant wait to hear their new record.



toggletoggle post by thegreatspaldino   at Jul 7,2007 11:54am
i was really pumped that Decapitated played "Lying and Weak" thats my favorite tune off of The Negation



toggletoggle post by trample the weak at Jul 7,2007 11:59am
I decided to use as blood runs black set times to get a delicious cheese sandwich (i didnt have a lot of money left). Unfortunately when i got back they where still on.



toggletoggle post by keebz  at Jul 7,2007 12:10pm
oh i brought the mother fuckin ruckus. i was right on top of everyone when he was down into the audience.



toggletoggle post by keebz  at Jul 7,2007 12:14pm
anyone here love cattle? everyone i talk to hates them. i cant get enough! i love how i screamed "PLAY NO FUTURE" and then they were like "ok we are guna play this song that we havnt played this entire tour so lets see how it goes." i killed everyone during that song.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 7,2007 12:19pm
no one here hates on them that I know of



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jul 7,2007 12:31pm
cattle decapitation are good, but the singer is an arrogant fuck. i enjoy the guitar work a lot; that's the key element that really draws me in. the vocals are pretty unique, but some of the highs are obnoxious live.

and why would anyone want to admit to bringing the motherfucking ruckus unless they're in wu-tang? that is silly.



toggletoggle post by FleshFries at Jul 7,2007 1:08pm
cattle decap was pretty good i think...amusing :P

but the climax of the show for me was when Decapitated played Post Organic.....oh my god i swear i had an orgasm



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 7,2007 1:12pm
actually, I don't know the drummer, but everyone in CD are great dudes. any "arrogant fuck"ness is pure stage show.



toggletoggle post by Hungtableed at Jul 7,2007 1:16pm
Decapitated was un-fucking-believable. Hands down, the highlight of my night. I was drunk enough that I ended up throwin' down in the pit for a good portion of the night. I guess that's what happens when you're fueled on almost nothing but Jack and Cokes and straight Jim Beam. Overall it turned out to be one of the best times I've had in a long time. Bands aside, I seen a lot of cool people and also met a few too.



toggletoggle post by thegreatspaldino   at Jul 7,2007 1:18pm
new decapitated is boring live. the old stuff, minus Spheres, is AWESOME live. they need to cut the shit, grab a second guitar player, and play more from the first 3 albums live. fuck trying to be Meshuggah with blasts... they need to get back to being fun, headbanging goodness again... i dont care if its "vader jr"... that shit was awesome.



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jul 7,2007 1:23pm
If his arrogance is only a stage show, then he definitely takes it a lot further than the stage. I don't think he appears to be arrogant when he's on stage, but off the stage he's irritable and pissy.



toggletoggle post by contagion   at Jul 7,2007 1:25pm
Aegathis said:


thats not cadaveryne Tony in the middle is it??


thats cadaveryne tony and peter. i was going to go with them but i had to work.

yes, they cut thier hair.



toggletoggle post by fuck em n chuck em at Jul 7,2007 1:33pm
decapitated does not need a second guitarist.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 7,2007 1:51pm
you obviously didn't see them with the original singer and 2 guitarists.

I asked tony if he got cancer or something.



toggletoggle post by Samantha at Jul 7,2007 2:07pm
demondave said:
Whats the story behind the tooth photo in the Random section?


That would be Crazy Dan. Someone headbutted him in the teeth when he was in the pit. He walked out bleeding from his mouth and laughing.



toggletoggle post by xanonymousx at Jul 7,2007 2:15pm

whats going on in this picture?



toggletoggle post by Keithnli at Jul 7,2007 2:18pm
burnouts, at the summer nationals



toggletoggle post by M.D at Jul 7,2007 2:50pm
fuckin sick. decap was fuckin amazing. spheres of fuckin madness! necro was fuckin brilliant as well.



toggletoggle post by thegreatspaldino   at Jul 7,2007 2:54pm
spheres of madness is a gay song and is highly overrated. some cool riffs in it but over all it is boooooooring. i dont get why everyone loves that song so much. anything off of winds of creation has better riffs and is way more interesting.



toggletoggle post by Samantha at Jul 7,2007 2:57pm
The smell of the burnouts was permeating throughout the Palladium. It was nasty!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 7,2007 2:59pm
spaldino, the riffs make that song. don't be hating.



toggletoggle post by ZenErik   at Jul 7,2007 3:30pm
Muscle cars rule Worcester...Apparently. WTF?



toggletoggle post by AUTOPSY_666   at Jul 7,2007 3:30pm



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 7,2007 3:33pm
$$$$$$$$$$$$



toggletoggle post by archaeon at Jul 7,2007 3:37pm
ZenErik said:
Muscle cars rule Worcester...Apparently. WTF?


haha, that made me so pissed. All those guys were beaten as children.

Beneath and Decap did it for me. Necro was cool but pretty boring. i went back to the pit for them, WORST pit I've ever seen. it was like 6 drunken guys just running in circles.

Did anyone seen the scene chick with the "gore not core" that had the members of cattle decap killing scene kids.




toggletoggle post by Phrozenspite  at Jul 7,2007 3:55pm


I honestly fell asleep during Cattle Decapitation... for me they're only average at best and I was going on 40 hours without sleep



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 7,2007 3:56pm
I parked on the other side of the muscle cars and then when I went to walk back to my car, the cops wouldn't let me. When I asked how to get to my car, the cop turned and walked away. so I started walking straight again and they ran back and yelled at me. I said "I have to get to my car. it's right over there"
"Well, you have to walk around" - cop
"How do I do that?"
*cop walks away again*
I try to walk straight for the third time and they run back and yell at me not to cross some yellow line on the ground and I have to walk around. At that point, some old guy stood infront of me as the cops walked off again and the old dude asks where my car is and I point, he said "go up george st." and then he looks off in the other direction as I stand there with no idea what or where george st is. I asked him a couple times before his pointed to it.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 7,2007 3:59pm
hah, I saw that horn go up and the face turn to me so I pulled back and snapped. looks like you were squinting from the flash.



toggletoggle post by Keithnli at Jul 7,2007 4:03pm
ZenErik said:
Muscle cars rule Worcester...Apparently. WTF?


actually, you made a decision to attend a show during the worcester summer nationals, that has been held the same weekend for over 20 years.

dont be a dick. learn your shit.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 7,2007 4:04pm
by far, the funniest thing was seeing people at joey's penis level.
this kid's only seen black people in old 1950's encyclopedias:

this girls living out some sort of dream

this kid is remember when his dad used to hit him with his belt



toggletoggle post by AUTOPSY_666   at Jul 7,2007 4:10pm
"Keep that queer hair away from me!"



toggletoggle post by ZenErik   at Jul 7,2007 4:17pm
Keithnli said:
ZenErik said:
Muscle cars rule Worcester...Apparently. WTF?


actually, you made a decision to attend a show during the worcester summer nationals, that has been held the same weekend for over 20 years.

dont be a dick. learn your shit.


OH NO. How could I be oh so inconsiderate? I don't know my history about a city I don't live anywhere near and have been to 4 times in my life.



toggletoggle post by Keithnli at Jul 7,2007 4:29pm
ZenErik said:
Keithnli said:
ZenErik said:
Muscle cars rule Worcester...Apparently. WTF?


actually, you made a decision to attend a show during the worcester summer nationals, that has been held the same weekend for over 20 years.

dont be a dick. learn your shit.


OH NO. How could I be oh so inconsiderate? I don't know my history about a city I don't live anywhere near and have been to 4 times in my life.


well then, dont open your mouth because you have no grounds for comparison, nor complaint.



toggletoggle post by contagion   at Jul 7,2007 4:38pm
i might go to summer nationals tonight. i cant decide.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 7,2007 4:43pm
keith: same weekend for 18 years. way to know your info.



toggletoggle post by Keithnli at Jul 7,2007 4:50pm
boo me.

im heading over there in about an hour.



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jul 7,2007 4:58pm
xanonymousx said:

whats going on in this picture?


Hah, that looks like what I was stuck behind for a minute or two. These two middle-aged bikers figured it would make them look cool to spin their tires at red lights and almost skid into moving traffic. After that they got in front of me and shrouded my car in a thick smoke. They showed me! Especially after one of them got pulled over by the cops, haha...oh wait, that happened to me later on too. Shit.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 7,2007 5:02pm
I basically got as far as that trailer in the middle there.



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jul 7,2007 5:06pm


Haha, my car (the white one) made a special guest appearance on RTTP.



toggletoggle post by RichHorror  at Jul 7,2007 5:08pm
Dagomobile '07



toggletoggle post by Keithnli at Jul 7,2007 5:10pm
the_reverend said:
I basically got as far as that trailer in the middle there.


thats because thats the point where you need to pay to get in.

usually the street is shut down all the way past the palladium for the burnout contest, they must have left it open just for the palladium show.



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jul 7,2007 5:11pm
You're so immature Rich. It's the cannoli wagon, IDIOT!



toggletoggle post by Keithnli at Jul 7,2007 5:12pm
toyota cannola



toggletoggle post by RichHorror  at Jul 7,2007 5:13pm
MarkFuckingRichards said:
You're so immature Rich. It's the cannoli wagon, IDIOT!


Your mouth says no but your eyes say that's a spicy meatball.



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jul 7,2007 5:17pm
That really is a spicy meat-ah-ball-ah.



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jul 7,2007 5:18pm
Oh, and Keith, that's the Toyota Connola S-Series. The S is for spaghetti. That is crucial information on my vehicle.



toggletoggle post by GoatOfCatalyst at Jul 7,2007 7:21pm
the_reverend said:
by far, the funniest thing was seeing people at joey's penis level.
this kid's only seen black people in old 1950's encyclopedias:



either than or he's afraid homeboy is going to burst out of his junior misses' size clothing, covering him in denim and wang



toggletoggle post by AUTOPSY_666   at Jul 7,2007 7:34pm
Say "no" to crack.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 7,2007 7:59pm
resist: hm.. With a band that is as catchy as this band, you would think that more people would be into it. Especially, with the people in this band. Oh well, they don't do many shows (since one of them is a big touring rockstar on a mahor label). maybe this was a cool down period for the crowd. It is getting hot in here.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 7,2007 8:00pm
oops, wrong thread.



toggletoggle post by Morbid_Mike at Jul 7,2007 8:27pm
does anyone know who was playing drums for The Faceless last night? i thought Lord Marco was touring with them but it wasn't him....



toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Jul 7,2007 8:35pm
well after 10 years of going to the palladium I finally was ejected. I went outside for a butt which was just after cephalic, really the only band I wanted to see and was planning to leave after. since there was no re-entry they took my wrist band-which was fine, I was leaving and pretty cocked already. then Shannon thought it would be awesome if she would force a beer to my lips and tilt it, with my luck this all happened right in front of the security guards who swiftly booted my ass.
cephalic was awesome. i thought it was a wicked quiet show though.



toggletoggle post by fishcakes at Jul 7,2007 8:40pm edited Jul 7,2007 8:44pm
fucking drunkin time for sure! the sound at this place blows, but I had fun.



toggletoggle post by shannon at Jul 7,2007 11:37pm
my luck this all happened right in front of the security guards who swiftly booted my ass.
cephalic was awesome. i thought it was a wicked quiet show though. >>

Dude! Forced a bottle to your lips,HAH!!!!!! You fucking took that shit out of my hands. The fucked up part was you never even took a sip,that security low life grabbed you before you even had a chance! I tried to explain the situation to him and he screams"don't touch me",fucking loser. I was pretty pissed about that shit,if it had been mark's showplace,we would have been kicked out hours ago. I got chewed out about having a smoke in the shithole restroom,fucking doors don't even lock. With all the money that place brings in,you think they could afford locks. Despite that crap,the show was great. The Cattle decapitation pit ruined me for the rest of the pits,but well worth it.



toggletoggle post by Aegathis  at Jul 8,2007 1:23am
the_reverend said:
you obviously didn't see them with the original singer and 2 guitarists.

I asked tony if he got cancer or something.


i saw them when they were contagion, if thats what you were referring to. What did he say in response to that cancer comment?



toggletoggle post by Phrozenspite  at Jul 8,2007 3:30am
the_reverend said:
hah, I saw that horn go up and the face turn to me so I pulled back and snapped. looks like you were squinting from the flash.


Yeah, sleep deprivation will do that to you



toggletoggle post by goatcatalyst   at Jul 8,2007 4:35am
fuck, i wish i knew that was you, phrozenspite!

i think i gave you a flyer and i definitely owe you at least two beers for your sterling efforts in -

http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=35947&highlight=negura

... the greatest thread this site has ever known.



toggletoggle post by timjohn at Jul 8,2007 6:35am
damn



toggletoggle post by jim_is_to_lazy_to_login at Jul 8,2007 10:37am
MarkFuckingRichards said:
You're so immature Rich. It's the cannoli wagon, IDIOT!


hahaha, dude this is Jim from Bridgewater, it was nice meeting you. When I go back to school we'll defintally have to hang out, I really wanna hear The Body Farm. Drew, said it was BRUTAL



toggletoggle post by goatcatalyst   at Jul 8,2007 12:04pm
Muhammed's guitar = shiniest fucking frets EVER



toggletoggle post by Dankill at Jul 8,2007 12:38pm
I had fun and Mark's feet hurt. Also Mallika couldn't stop hitting people.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 8,2007 12:47pm
Dankill said:
Also Mallika and Mitch couldn't stop lying to people.



toggletoggle post by timjohn at Jul 8,2007 4:06pm
the_reverend said:
Dankill said:
Also Mallika and Mitch couldn't stop lying to people.


details pls



toggletoggle post by timjohn at Jul 8,2007 4:23pm
timjohn said:
the_reverend said:
Dankill said:
Also Mallika and Mitch couldn't stop lying to people.


details pls





toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jul 8,2007 6:28pm
jim_is_to_lazy_to_login said:
MarkFuckingRichards said:
You're so immature Rich. It's the cannoli wagon, IDIOT!


hahaha, dude this is Jim from Bridgewater, it was nice meeting you. When I go back to school we'll defintally have to hang out, I really wanna hear The Body Farm. Drew, said it was BRUTAL


Werd up nuggles. I'll hit you up on AIM if I ever decide to sign on more than once every 2 years, haha.



toggletoggle post by PilloryDan nli at Jul 8,2007 7:47pm
All I can say is I am so out of the loop it isn't even funny.....
I've never heard Necrophagist and I saw the pictures of Necrophagist tour bus...So I thought to my self with a bus like that they must be good.. So I listen to thier albums and they are fuckin sick I love this band and me the dumbasss just missed them live ...DOH!



toggletoggle post by BlackoutRick at Jul 9,2007 1:06pm
Decapitated > ALL



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jul 9,2007 1:15pm
besides Zircon and Decapitated, man am i glad i went to the burnouts instead.



toggletoggle post by porphyria at Jul 10,2007 11:53am
Sunday I headed down to NYC to shoot the last date of this tour.

The employee's there are complete dicks who don't give a shit as I've heard and seeing them work pretty much confirmed this accusation. I watched the 'bouncers' in the photopit with me just let people crowd surfing fall onto the concrete right in front of them without even grabbing them. At one point one of them was telling us to get out and I argued with him so he took me out back he was just like "if something happens to you, then it's our responsibility" and after he realized I had an AA/Photo pass he was like "OH, you have a pass, I'll let you know when you can come back in"

Went to get some 99 cent/slice pizza after Cattle Decapitation and managed to miss Cephalic Carnage, doh! :(

A lot of people left after Decapitated and during the last Necro song, people from all of the other bands came out on stage with brooms and swept across the stage. Aside from that, watching Marco was the only thing that entertained me during Necrophagist. I use to bust a load over this them but now, after seeing them live made me realize how boring they actually are (especially to watch). So yeah, the show wasn't so great in my opinion but I got to meet Marco Minneman so that alone made it worth it!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 10,2007 11:57am
3 songs for each band?
how was the lighting?



toggletoggle post by porphyria at Jul 18,2007 9:36am



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