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returntothepit >> discuss >> News Article: Great White dude gets 4 years and cries about it by the_reverend on May 10,2006 7:04pm
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toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at May 10,2006 7:06pm
what's going on the with owners?? one of them was a news caster in r.i.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at May 10,2006 7:06pm
i'm glad someone has finally been held accountable for this. one of my good friends died in that fire.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at May 10,2006 7:07pm
BornSoVile said:
what's going on the with owners?? one of them was a news caster in r.i.


it said one of them is going on trial at the end of july but there's no trial date set for the other one.



toggletoggle post by ShadowSD at May 10,2006 7:50pm
They're way more responsible than the tour manager was. If I owned a club with walls more flammable than gasoline, and I didn't go out of MY way to warn people there about it, I would be the one responsible for the fire. The fire department inspectors who cleared the place to do business deserve a sentence as well, but won't get one.



toggletoggle post by succubus  at May 10,2006 7:52pm
i watched it live...



toggletoggle post by retzam at May 10,2006 8:14pm
"What do you think of your son now?" Patricia Belanger shouted to Biechele's mother. Belanger, who lost her 30-year-old daughter, Dina Ann DeMaio, told reporters afterward: "Now it's her turn to suffer, just like we've been suffering because of her son."

As tragic as the fire was and is, that just blows my mind. His mother has nothing to do with this. This woman seems like a bordorline sociopath.



toggletoggle post by retzam at May 10,2006 8:15pm
borderline*



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at May 10,2006 8:17pm
retzam said:
"What do you think of your son now?" Patricia Belanger shouted to Biechele's mother. Belanger, who lost her 30-year-old daughter, Dina Ann DeMaio, told reporters afterward: "Now it's her turn to suffer, just like we've been suffering because of her son."

As tragic as the fire was and is, that just blows my mind. His mother has nothing to do with this. This woman seems like a bordorline sociopath.


yeah, i don't think the guy's mother should have to suffer for a stuid mistake her son made. it's not like it happened because she was a bad parent. i feel bad for her. i would feel awful if i had a kid and he grew up and made a mistake that led to many deaths, but i wouldn't feel responsible for it.



toggletoggle post by retzam at May 10,2006 8:17pm
I don't think I meant sociopath either...



toggletoggle post by retzam at May 10,2006 8:18pm
dreadkill said:
retzam said:
"What do you think of your son now?" Patricia Belanger shouted to Biechele's mother. Belanger, who lost her 30-year-old daughter, Dina Ann DeMaio, told reporters afterward: "Now it's her turn to suffer, just like we've been suffering because of her son."

As tragic as the fire was and is, that just blows my mind. His mother has nothing to do with this. This woman seems like a bordorline sociopath.


yeah, i don't think the guy's mother should have to suffer for a stuid mistake her son made. it's not like it happened because she was a bad parent. i feel bad for her. i would feel awful if i had a kid and he grew up and made a mistake that led to many deaths, but i wouldn't feel responsible for it.



I hear that. It's sad that someone would take a stab at his mother at such a vulnerable time.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at May 10,2006 9:14pm
people act irrationally when they are hurt and angry.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at May 10,2006 9:14pm
i wonder how my friend's parents feel about this.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at May 10,2006 9:16pm
i honestly feel bad for the guy, even though his mistake cost me a good friend. he's clearly remorseful and acknowledges he fucked up. i hope the guy finds a way to live with himself eventually after he serves his time.



toggletoggle post by slowlypeelingtheflesh   at May 10,2006 9:26pm
thats lame man, im sorry about your friend

but I believe that the owners of the club are completely at fault because they never stopped the guys from using the pyrotechnics in the club. its also their fault for purchasing crappy fire proofing.

they should be doing time, not this dude.



toggletoggle post by dwellingsickness at May 10,2006 9:36pm
They said they told him not to use pyro, he said they didn't.. Until it is proven otherwise, The tour manager is responsible, in my opinion. Maybe during one of the owners trials I will be proven wrong but until then.....And he only got 4 years? 100 lives ? wtf



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at May 10,2006 9:38pm
i think both the tour manager and the club owners are at fault and should pay for what they did. i just hope everyone involved in the tragedy, the victims who survived, family and friends of victims, and those at fault, can find some kind of happiness over the course of the rest of their lives.



toggletoggle post by HailTheLeaf  at May 10,2006 9:47pm
I think the pyro guy is responsible...duh...did anyone notice how fucking close the flames were to the ceiling? and who the fuck puts pyro with flames in a small club near the ceiling?!?!!?



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at May 10,2006 9:55pm
HailTheLeaf said:
I think the pyro guy is responsible...duh...did anyone notice how fucking close the flames were to the ceiling? and who the fuck puts pyro with flames in a small club near the ceiling?!?!!?


yeah, i agree using pyro in a small club was retarded. pyro should be left to arena and amphitheater shows.



toggletoggle post by retzam at May 11,2006 6:28am
dreadkill said:
people act irrationally when they are hurt and angry.


Sad but true. I suppose it only makes sense in a way.



toggletoggle post by litacore at BC at May 11,2006 9:56am
It's a tragedy all around, especially for that stupid gay band which was never that great to begin with, not even good hair metal

the band was on tour, they get to a club with an obviously hands-off management (unless it comes to 1000% markup at the bar), they've been doing the dumb pyro at a few other clubs along the way, one or more of the tour group has been tripping the light fantastic on the bus.....and not paying attention

and well, you've seen the footage. Especially the front door stampede. Unbearable.

the mean, bitter reactions after the verdict? well, I suggest that we New Englanders are often petty and insular. We mend our own fences so naturally when some West Coast has-beens plow through and LITERALLY "burn this place to the ground", we react with bitter venom.

I just think this is bad, bad all around. This, along with Columbine, was a defining event in my life, like Kent State was for the hippies.





toggletoggle post by SteveOTB   at May 11,2006 10:19am
I remembered watching this on tv while I was in the hospital. Personally I think that the band manager, the band, and the owners are all to blame. The owners were dumb for using walls that were very flamable, the band for not having the sense to say "I don't know if that's such a good idea", and the tour manager for letting it happen in the first place. You don't do that kind of shit in small clubs. Leave it for the big venues. Small clubs should only use lighting and even so they should still be careful because those lights get pretty hot. 4 years for 100 lives? Yeah it was a mistake but people kill people by mistake all the time and they get life in prison or the death penalty. It doesn't add up.



toggletoggle post by anonymous at May 11,2006 10:35am
HailTheLeaf said:
I think the pyro guy is responsible...duh...did anyone notice how fucking close the flames were to the ceiling? and who the fuck puts pyro with flames in a small club near the ceiling?!?!!?


The actual pyrotechnics used were a sparkler/fountain type thing. So those flames u are see actually the wall catching on fire, not part of the display.



toggletoggle post by hungtableed at May 11,2006 11:25am
The guy who lit the shit is a douche. Did he mean to kill 100 people? NO, probably not, BUT, did there exist a grotesque amount of negligence? ABSOLUTELY! I love how the band and all his buddies that he was working with that night as tour roadies or whatever totally ditched the guy once it was known that he was taking the fall and had to go to court. Apparently Great White doe not make very Great Friends.



toggletoggle post by ShadowSD at May 11,2006 11:40am
anonymous said:
The actual pyrotechnics used were a sparkler/fountain type thing. So those flames u are see actually the wall catching on fire, not part of the display.


Exactly. They were the kind of sparklers that people can stand underneath and not feel a thing, and it took a substance more flammable than gasoline to ignite it. There was no reasonable expectation that anything in a nightclub would have been that flammable. Therefore, the owners, not the tour manager, are primarily responsible.

What's even worse is that the tour manager is taking responsibility for his part and pleading guilty, while the owners are pleading not guilty and taking no responsibility. The result: the tour manager goes on trial first and becomes the primary scapegoat.

If I believe him and he asked their permission, he shouldn't be going to jail in their place. If I believe the owners that he didn't ask them, they are still primarily responsible because they didn't go out of their way to warn him. A substance more flammable than gasoline on the wall of a nightclub stage is such an unbelievable hazard for so many reasons, that the absence of any warning, even a simple sign that says "Caution: Flammable", is criminally negligent.

The lesson of The Station Fire is not to fear pyro. The lesson is to be aware how flammable sound proof foam really is, because a cigarette or match or lighter could ignite the foam and consume a building much more quickly than sparklers.



toggletoggle post by Todd NLI at May 11,2006 12:45pm
They played Chantilly's In Manchvegas(Where I used to work at the time) Like 2 weeks prior to the show at the Station, And asked us if they could use the pyro, We were like "No goddamn way, man"..they were all pissy and were gonna cancel the show ,But ended up playing anyway, bad mouthing the club the whole time



toggletoggle post by Yeti at May 11,2006 12:46pm
yeah i agree there are far more responsible than just the tour manager. dont they have fire codes? who enforces them? who gave an inspection and passed such flammable material? i remember seeing Immortal back in 2000 in the upstairs of the palladium, and Abbath was blowing fire all over the ceiling and shit. i do remember thinking it probably wasnt a good idea, but then when this happened it was kind of creepy.



toggletoggle post by dwellingsickness at May 11,2006 12:55pm edited May 11,2006 12:56pm
The fire department are the people that are "supposed" to enforce the codes, usually with monthly inspections, Sometimes at the different clubs I've worked at, the fire marshall would come in and do a spot inspection before a big show to make sure everything was up to code, and he'd tell us if anything needed to be done. You are supposed to notify the fire department if pyrotechnics are to be used at a show, I think.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at May 11,2006 12:58pm
thats what i would guess. that way they can check to see where they are going to be placed and whats flammable around and it and so on and so forth.



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