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returntothepit >> discuss >> NEMHF Day III: recap thread by succubus on Apr 30,2006 12:36pm
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toggletoggle post by succubus  at Apr 30,2006 12:36pm
I had a photoshoot in the morning and so I ran in to catch sanctity..aaron has gotten all bands so far



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 12:40pm
kid deposit triumph: (mainstage) "huge metal fans, even though we don't sound like it" they were thrown on last minute, but played the pre-party. I could tell a lot easy what they were trying to do down here. They played tighter, but the mistakes they made were easier to here. I think it was the guitarist stage left not being able to hear. plus, the system down here was worked awesomely.

miles between, the: (secondstage) first band on that stage and they had people moving already, awesome. The sound in there was so clear. After seeing them at the living room and not being able to hear the guitars, I was so much better up here. I think fans of old with honor, and more metalcore kids could really get into them. The vocals are actually intelligible and the break downs are very clean, sort of like norma jeans (played mostly on the hi-hats with sporadic double bass). Ethan's label should think about taking them.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 12:41pm
sanctity: (mainstage) I was not expecting what I heard from them when they came out. They looked like it would be some black death band (i mean co'mon the guy had a bullet-strap), but they were melodic-ish. More like megadeth riffs that have been thought out. The singing was just good old school metal vocals. Sort of like motorhead/mustaine. No highs and pretty clean over all.



toggletoggle post by josh603 at Apr 30,2006 1:26pm
check out xlookingforwardx today. great great band



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 1:35pm
I will.

cellador: (secondstage) wow, they sounded so perfect. Well, up to the point when one of the guitarists said "co'mon make some nOYs" in a new york accent. Ha! They were the embodiment of priest and queensryche. There were even some samples that were played to fix the queensryche illusion

hypersolid: (mainstage) they sound more and more like nevermore each time I see them. This means that they sound more and more like old queensryche. The vocals on this stage was amazingly good and clear. The HI's were powerful and I'm guessing they were practicing a lot for the new CD they are putting out. The rest of the guys headbanged around the stage. the bassplayer, I always forget his name but I'm going to call him rob, looks like a octopus flinging his hair all around and over his bass.



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Apr 30,2006 1:43pm
is Trouble playing, or is it "The Trouble"? Only reason I'm planning on going.



toggletoggle post by Cecchini   at Apr 30,2006 1:56pm
i still cant get ahold of the palladium to find out what the deal is with evening tickets and its pissing me off.



toggletoggle post by contagion   at Apr 30,2006 1:59pm
Cecchini said:
i still cant get ahold of the palladium to find out what the deal is with evening tickets and its pissing me off.

dragonforce



toggletoggle post by josh603 at Apr 30,2006 2:06pm
They arent doing evening tickets like they usually do. I think if you show up, you just gotta pay the full 40 bucks.



toggletoggle post by Cecchini   at Apr 30,2006 2:11pm
josh603 said:
They arent doing evening tickets like they usually do. I think if you show up, you just gotta pay the full 40 bucks.


is this true aaron?



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Apr 30,2006 2:27pm
No evening tickets on Sunday last year either.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 2:56pm
next time I'm upstairs, I will look.

born victim: (secondstage) there weren't that many people up there in the beginning so the bassist went in to the crowd. This got more people moving. The singer followed after throwing and breaking the mic, spent most of the set on the floor. People were dancing around, but I honestly didn't know them.

withered: (mainstage) this band ruled. Noisey, blackmetaly, metaly, and awesomey. I think this is the band that drove from NC to play the library. Man, they need to send me a CD. The singer/guitarist stage right screamed and it reminded me of the really good parts of goatwhore. Check this band out everyone.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 2:57pm
xlooking forwardx: (secondstage) josh603, as I replied to you, they were starting upstairs. They are good. it's like if with honor never tried to be bane by releasing that last CD. This band would have fit in much better with the death threat crowd from yesterday. There were plenty of people watching them. But only one dancing. That is until they played their edge song. Then a few more people jumped up on the floor.

mercury switch: (mainstage) I've seen them so many times and had them on my show so I sang along to them. I don't know what else to type here except "hey, I think they made it two metalfests with the same bassist" but I'm probably wrong.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 2:58pm
phoenix mourning: (secondstage) sorry, but I was asked by metal blade and a few other people to take a shit ton of pictures of them so I did. The best part of this band is the bassist. I forgot to mention it from the pre-party, but he's one of the first bassists I've seen who strums the bass a lot. his hair is also expertly manicured from what I hear. At one point, the singer fell over the monitor and tumbled onto the ground. He kept on singing as the people (including their stage hand) picked him up. they played their last song and then stopped. The singer got everyone to move to the front and they played the last minute again. People, including the lovable and huggable Ken jumped up on the crowd.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 3:01pm
xdeathstarx: (mainstage) "the reason we have 4 singers is cause we aren't talented enough for one guy" they are in essense a wall of dudes singing. Complications from a mobile singer must 4-fold harder with them. I made fun of them for it in my hellfest review. Though, I mean. They could deligate roles so that one person is the guy that goes into the crowd, another jumps off the drumriser, etc.. They also said that the only reason they are here is dragonforce and that they are going into the studio to record a new CD.
"if there is no jesus, why fight against it? Think about it." and them asked us why we don't pick of other religions besides x-tianity. I'll tell you why:
1) there aren't x-tian groups beheading people
2) there aren't x-tian suicide bombers
3) we don't owe money to x-tians
and the final, trust one
4) the country we live in is a christian country. the money doesn't say "in jaweah we trust"



toggletoggle post by josh603 at Apr 30,2006 3:32pm
Yeah they aren't really too well known up here, sadly. Today is only the second time they've played in New England. They are playing at Drifters on June 25th, so check that out.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 3:34pm
maybe I will. this place is pretty empty so far.


goat horn: (secondstage) this is probably the most heavy metal thing I've ever seen upstairs at the palladium. If you heard godless rising (jeff was in the front), I will play this analogy: GR is to 90's metal as goat horn is to 80's heavy metal. Hair and headbanging rulage. There were a lot of the metalhead in here throwing horns up in the air.

inked in blood: (mainstage) the were tall dudes who made music that short dudes usually make (re: nora). The best part about their set was they didn't have a single bit of clean vocals. That was awesome.

doomriders: (secondstage) just as good playing as always. I got the feeling that they didn't really want to be playing there. Nate's in between band banter wasn't on par as usual. Still rocked, I've just seen them stealing shows before.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 3:38pm
no, there are no evening tickets tonight. regular price so come early.

A Love End Suicide: (mainstage) not to judge a book by it's cover, but I know what these guys would sound like before hearing them. I knew right from the name and it seems I'm dead on. The only thing I didn't think they would have was the noodling up on the fret board. I guess they are signed to metal blade. Heavy breakdowns, metal riffs and some clean singing.



toggletoggle post by Cecchini   at Apr 30,2006 3:56pm
the_reverend said:
no, there are no evening tickets tonight. regular price so come early.


thanks rev



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 4:05pm
3 : (secondstage) they are kind of like yakuza in the way that there are weird things going on stage/in the music, but it wrapped around metal (unlike yakuza which has a hardcore filling). They had two drummers. The standup one had some effects units too.

light this city: (mainstage) damn, I confuse them with another girl front band who suck. They were pretty awesome. That girls voice has the same range as the girl from the hound. Similar hair too. When I came down, I thought she was the singer of undying and maybe that's why undying broke up. Though.. She kind of looked like pam.. And pam hasn't shown up yet. Hmm... If pam magically appears after their set it will be suspicious indeed. I have their CD at the radio station and I'm actually going to listen to it.



toggletoggle post by slowlypeelingtheflesh   at Apr 30,2006 4:34pm
I heard a rumor that tunnel vision leads you to gay sex.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 4:42pm
you are the living enbodiment of said rule. gaysexsayswhat?

protest the hero: (mainstage) their CD is rediculos. The guitar parts are amazing, but then the clean vocals come out sounding more like emo. Their live set sounded more like judas priest. the amount of noodling that goes into one of ther songs is both confusing, interesting and annoying. I was wandering around durinf the end of their set. there weren't any people ANY WHERE else in the club. I thoug "sheez, this place is dead" and then when I walked down, I realize everyone was one the floor watching this band. (though some of the people were probably outside for one last fag before re-enter is done.)

yakuza: (secondstage) whoah! They have an akami like the_network. Wootage. last time I saw these guys was 2002. They had the usual fare on stage. For some reason the bassist had a gasmask on. I went up for a song or so. I'm into their harder material, but the middle eastern and jazz stuff isn't my thing.



toggletoggle post by slowlypeelingtheflesh   at Apr 30,2006 4:44pm
hahaha thanks aaron.



toggletoggle post by animalrampage at Apr 30,2006 4:47pm
are there any goratory fans/protestors outside picketing burn in silence?



toggletoggle post by todayistheday nli at Apr 30,2006 5:14pm
the place is empty cause the lineup sucks today



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 5:19pm
burn in silence: (mainstage) it's so hard to watch these guys without heckling al. I wanted to yell "it would sound better if you played it behind you head" but only managed do yell goratory. they sounded really good except for the non-existant vocals. He looked like we was singing... But I couldn't hear anything.

torn asunder: (secondstage) these guys should be out touring with other bands. It's hard for them to get on "bigger" shows around here since they are death metal, but the attendance at their shows are mostly hardcore (scar culture had this same issue, but scar culture went out of business. since TA has already gone out of business once before, I'm sure they will make it).



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 5:48pm
cannae: (mainstage) short set. I don't think they played any old songs, but I was upstairs for the middle of their set. even though it didn't look like it, it was pretty full downstairs for them. There were probably 500 people in there. This was also up against bloodline calligraphy who haven't played around here.

bloodlined calligraphy: (secondstage) they were good, but it haven't listened to their music in a long time. the girl was scary. She made fun of girls who dress sexy just to get attention.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 6:10pm
what the fuck is up with the bands playing this show. trouble cancelled. this year's had way too many band cancelled. I know that life happens and it takes risks (thanks visa), but this sucks on so many levels that will become apparent to people hopefully some day.



toggletoggle post by josh603 at Apr 30,2006 6:20pm
what bands cancelled?

And I can't believe Blood Has Been Shed didn't play. This has to be the first time in 4 or 5 years they havent played.



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Apr 30,2006 6:23pm
howard was there yesterday so was some of the people in unearth... there was a rumor going around that either unearth killswitch engage or blood has been shed would play but none of them did....



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Apr 30,2006 6:48pm
I kinda thought Trouble would cancel when they saw their 20 minute slot. Why the fuck would they drive all the way out here to play for 20 minutes. Glad I didn't go!!!



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Apr 30,2006 6:49pm
Howard is here today too



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 7:21pm
byzantine: (mainstage) I wasn't quite sure, like always, which byzantine would be playing. Their CDs all have different sounds to them, metallica to all that remains. Fortunantely, they live show is always constant. They sounded like such good thrashy music and always bring the old school metal. I think they played a cover, but I'm not sure. they are getting the tours they deserve and are really nice guys.

folly: (secondstage) can't say too much about them. Ran in only for their second to last song. It sounded good and kids were singing along. if you want to really see this band, hit them up at a smaller packed venue.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 7:23pm
daughters: (secondstage) I think I got up there right when they started. The whole set was um.. 4 songs and probably 7 minutes of playing and 13 minutes and some odd seconds of stage time. instead, singer used 1/2 the set to get free whiskey. Thanks to jackson. He then talked funny drunken shit about thew sports bar across the street. Which used up more of the set. They played that new song that is really good. The mic then got dangled like a tampon into the aforementioned whiskey and suck out. I'm sure that caused a shock. The the mic got thrown on the floor a couple times. At that point, the sound and staff guys kept doing the cut signal. They played another 1/2 song and the singer hucked the mic against the back wall and they stormed off the stage.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Apr 30,2006 7:23pm
Folly is playing tomorrow night at the Living Room. Dour Cursiva is opening. We didn't post it on this site for some reason.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 7:25pm
cause you are lame. thumbs down.

into eternity: (mainstage) the vocals aren't like the old vocals. they replaced one of the guitarists (the bald one with the big goatee) with a little guy who learned the music in 2 weeks. ok, it is true, every single time I see this band, they do in fact have new members. Their music still rules. It's like noctural rites, so annoyingly catchy that it's awesome. Girls in the crowd were even screaming for them. So weird. I sang along to the last two songs.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Apr 30,2006 7:27pm
I mean...we posted it in the events page...just didn't make a forum thread about it. I think that's allowable.



toggletoggle post by Anthony nli at Apr 30,2006 7:32pm
brian_dc said:
I mean...we posted it in the events page...just didn't make a forum thread about it. I think that's allowable.


NO!! twenty lashes with the cat-o-nine and then off to the pillory!



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Apr 30,2006 7:33pm
shit! Pillory's playing where?



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Apr 30,2006 7:35pm
the_reverend said:
daughters: (secondstage) I think I got up there right when they started. The whole set was um.. 4 songs and probably 7 minutes of playing and 13 minutes and some odd seconds of stage time. instead, singer used 1/2 the set to get free whiskey. Thanks to jackson. He then talked funny drunken shit about thew sports bar across the street. Which used up more of the set. They played that new song that is really good. The mic then got dangled like a tampon into the aforementioned whiskey and suck out. I'm sure that caused a shock. The the mic got thrown on the floor a couple times. At that point, the sound and staff guys kept doing the cut signal. They played another 1/2 song and the singer hucked the mic against the back wall and they stormed off the stage.


Total rock stars. That's what they do...

I think that guy Lex (?) stayed over my place once with As the Sun Sets.



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Apr 30,2006 7:47pm
Wolf is playing...damn..can they ham it up or what..they are really fun and have a ton of energy. They really worked the crowd



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 8:06pm
brain: good. as long as it's on the events page. thanks.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 8:19pm
wolf: (mainstage) yeah, the guys from wolf were awesome. One of them (bassist) totally looked like napoleon dynamite. The stage left guitarist was the biggest ham on the stage. Pam commented that he was the loki of the band (ref: the accursed). Before they started, he was in the crowd yelling "do you like metal?". he was also the only one to go down in front of the crowd. When they were starting, that guitarist came over and sat in from of pam, george, carina and I and sat down to chat with us. No sooner did he say "are you guys ready?" the band came out to start the set and he had to scramble back to his guitar.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 10:14pm
Bronx Casket Co: (mainstage) they sounded like typo-doomy stuffages. Not really what I'm down for, but their lighting was cool. They had a lof of nice colored back lighting that shown out through all the fog. It was pretty cool looking in my photos from what I can tell. The singer/bassist COMPLETELY looked like the bassist from overkill and the guitarist was the most heavymetal looking person I've seen at this fest yet. People in the audience started to chant for dragonforce and bood+thumbsdowned this band.



toggletoggle post by wade at Apr 30,2006 10:19pm
it is DD verni.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 30,2006 10:23pm
shit yeah! what do I win.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Apr 30,2006 11:13pm
Wolf. Aaaah, that is great, even though I kept the $40 bills and didn't show tonight, I'm glad a real metal band kicked so much ass.



toggletoggle post by Dankill at May 1,2006 12:58am
Dragonforce ruled every band this weekend.
I win.



toggletoggle post by wakeoftears  at May 1,2006 1:01am
Fucking shit. Most retardedly awesome show ive ever been to, and I was only really into 3 bands. Light This City came outta nowhere and really impressed me. They kicked some ass, I want to get a cd of theirs. Then we waited for Into Eternity, and they were great. Opened with Splintered Visions and Embraced by Desolation. Played a new track and a couple from Dead or Dreaming, then closed with Beginning of the End, SO GOOOOOD. I had never seen them and ive been waiting a long time to get to. The new shit sounded real heavy, I cant wait for the album. My throat already hurt after their set from trying to sing with them. Then we waited around for Dragonforce, and they just owned everyone. They opened with Black Fire for fucks sake. Ended with Through the Fire and the Flames, and Valley of the Damned. I'm never going to forget this show, and I hope they dont either, everyone went apeshit for them. I dont think GammaRay should have even bothered going on. There was no topping that, so we left.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 1,2006 2:29am
oh I'm home working on pictures,



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 1,2006 2:42am
pictures pictures pictures.
working on the main stage



toggletoggle post by anonymous at May 1,2006 2:48am
Can ANYONE explain to me what is wrong with the hordes of people who came for Dragonforce and didn't stay for Gamma Ray? Does that make sense to anybody?



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 1,2006 3:04am
yeah.. I don't understand it.



toggletoggle post by AUTOPSY_666   at May 1,2006 3:04am
Ramma Gay.



toggletoggle post by insipidzombie  at May 1,2006 3:04am
besides Gamma Ray's awesomeness, you'd think that they would have similar fan bases.



toggletoggle post by pam nli at May 1,2006 3:12am
anonymous said:
Can ANYONE explain to me what is wrong with the hordes of people who came for Dragonforce and didn't stay for Gamma Ray? Does that make sense to anybody?



I was just going to say that. There wouldn't BE a Dragonforce if not for bands like Gamma Ray. They did Helloween's "I Want Out" and it was the awesomest thing ever.

I guess I just don't SEE IT with Dragonforce. The weedly-weedly-weedly stuff doesn't trump memorable, catchy songwriting, which I don't think DF really has. I know I'm going to be attacked for saying it, but I just don't see the big deal.

Into Eternity was my favorite band of the night, even though I think their new singer is fucking awful. Wolf was awesome. Goat Horn ruled. That Bronx Casket crap was terrible, but I felt bad for them...they were the opening band for Iron Maiden as far as the crowd was concerned. Maybe if they didn't take ten thousand years to set up they wouldn't have angered the mob so much.

I'm too tired to post full on reviews. I had a good time tonight though. Some cool people in the photo pit this year, there were roadie buttcracks, friendly bands, good crowds, the kid from Cadaveryne cracking me up with his belligerent yelling...good times. Met Dankill, cool fuckin' guy. Mike Hirudinea and AlexOnslaught...I think... showed up for Gamma Ray. Hung out with Bill Richards too, haven't seen that motherfucker in years. Definately the best day of the weekend.



toggletoggle post by pam nli at May 1,2006 3:13am
insipidzombie said:
besides Gamma Ray's awesomeness, you'd think that they would have similar fan bases.



I noticed most of Dragonforce's fanbase is 21 and under. That might be why they don't know who Gamma Ray is.



toggletoggle post by paradigmdream  at May 1,2006 3:20am
i stayed for about half of gamma ray's set. i was really tired though and wanted to get home.

great show though. i wish i went saturday too. oh well, next year



toggletoggle post by pam nli at May 1,2006 3:26am
my legs, back, and head were all hurting by the time Gamma Ray was setting up, I don't know how I stuck it out as long as I did.

I just had to hear I Want Out.

LEAVE ME ALOOOOOOOOOONEEE!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 1,2006 3:43am
I'm at home from the show, drinking and eating.
two things I couldn't do this weekend.



toggletoggle post by dwellingsickness at May 1,2006 5:33am
what a trooper, sit thru 3 days of shit just to see like 10 good bands if that



toggletoggle post by eddie(nli) at May 1,2006 8:37am
i don't understand why dragonforce is more popular than every other euro power metal band that they sound like



toggletoggle post by Cadaveryne at May 1,2006 8:46am
pam nli said:
anonymous said:
Can ANYONE explain to me what is wrong with the hordes of people who came for Dragonforce and didn't stay for Gamma Ray? Does that make sense to anybody?



I was just going to say that. There wouldn't BE a Dragonforce if not for bands like Gamma Ray. They did Helloween's "I Want Out" and it was the awesomest thing ever.

I guess I just don't SEE IT with Dragonforce. The weedly-weedly-weedly stuff doesn't trump memorable, catchy songwriting, which I don't think DF really has. I know I'm going to be attacked for saying it, but I just don't see the big deal.

Into Eternity was my favorite band of the night, even though I think their new singer is fucking awful. Wolf was awesome. Goat Horn ruled. That Bronx Casket crap was terrible, but I felt bad for them...they were the opening band for Iron Maiden as far as the crowd was concerned. Maybe if they didn't take ten thousand years to set up they wouldn't have angered the mob so much.

I'm too tired to post full on reviews. I had a good time tonight though. Some cool people in the photo pit this year, there were roadie buttcracks, friendly bands, good crowds, the kid from Cadaveryne cracking me up with his belligerent yelling...good times. Met Dankill, cool fuckin' guy. Mike Hirudinea and AlexOnslaught...I think... showed up for Gamma Ray. Hung out with Bill Richards too, haven't seen that motherfucker in years. Definately the best day of the weekend.


Beligerance!



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 9:51am
This is 100% the case. About 80% of the Dragonforce fanbase are kids or n00bs (listening to metalcore for about 3 years) who think this music is some novelty, even though Dragonforce simply steal the music of Euro power metal bands for the past decade and play it a little faster. I also like how their fans run around filming videos with swords, basically they are the new LARP.

So Rev, how was attendance overall? A new record for this fest, or fizzling out?



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at May 1,2006 11:50am
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
This is 100% the case. About 80% of the Dragonforce fanbase are kids or n00bs (listening to metalcore for about 3 years) who think this music is some novelty, even though Dragonforce simply steal the music of Euro power metal bands for the past decade and play it a little faster. I also like how their fans run around filming videos with swords, basically they are the new LARP.

So Rev, how was attendance overall? A new record for this fest, or fizzling out?


indeed, gay n00bz. we need more n00dz.



toggletoggle post by matt tnr at May 1,2006 12:09pm
dragonforce was the best show i have ever seen in my entire life. anyone who puts down dragonforce and boasts gamma ray feel just as im sure gamma ray feels: pissed that dragonforce is younger, faster, and over all just a thousands times more talented than they ever were. and please don't play the metal elitist card with claiming points about how you listen to gamma ray 20 years ago. that was then, this is now and now dragonforce will be the dominating power metal band for some time to come. best show ever. wolf was good as well.



toggletoggle post by pam   at May 1,2006 12:19pm
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
This is 100% the case. About 80% of the Dragonforce fanbase are kids or n00bs (listening to metalcore for about 3 years) who think this music is some novelty, even though Dragonforce simply steal the music of Euro power metal bands for the past decade and play it a little faster. I also like how their fans run around filming videos with swords, basically they are the new LARP.


well put.



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at May 1,2006 12:33pm


Where did he get that moser custom shop templar?



toggletoggle post by pam   at May 1,2006 12:34pm
I think he's showing you with his mouth gesture.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 12:36pm
matt tnr said:
dragonforce was the best show i have ever seen in my entire life. anyone who puts down dragonforce and boasts gamma ray feel just as im sure gamma ray feels: pissed that dragonforce is younger, faster, and over all just a thousands times more talented than they ever were. and please don't play the metal elitist card with claiming points about how you listen to gamma ray 20 years ago. that was then, this is now and now dragonforce will be the dominating power metal band for some time to come. best show ever. wolf was good as well.


Best show you have ever seen in your entire life? Why don't you think about that statement for awhile. Apparently, you haven't seen many shows.

Gamma Ray wasn't around 20 years ago, you stupid squib. And my opinion is not 'elitist'. Your opinion is trendy and sensationalist. Next time you get into a band, that will become 'the best show you've ever seen in your life', I guarantee it.

How much 'talent' does it take to simply take the ideas of other bands? Do you honestly think all of DragonForce's melodies and riffs are original and talented? That they just made up this style? Also, Dragonforce is lyrically the WEAKEST band ever and cannot even create their own songtitles, but these are more minor quips.

They do not have more talent than Gamma Ray. Dragonforce themselves would slap you across the face for making that statement. I think I'll take their side. I'll now return you to your local swingset where you can listen to your Dragonforce, Trivium and Nightwish, fucking newb.




toggletoggle post by pam   at May 1,2006 12:39pm
owned.



toggletoggle post by watchmaker666  at May 1,2006 12:39pm
owned



toggletoggle post by pam   at May 1,2006 12:39pm
hah!



toggletoggle post by watchmaker666  at May 1,2006 12:40pm
send me another psychic message



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 12:43pm
Hey Pam, The Haunted are better than Slayer. They are faster and Slayer is soooo jealous.



toggletoggle post by CraigForACurse  at May 1,2006 12:45pm
i admit its alittle ridiculous that all these kids are getting into dragonforce who have never even heard power metal before, but im not going to hate dragonforce for it. i thought their cd's were good and they were good live. yeah theyre not original, noone is anymore. name a band thats new and totally original



toggletoggle post by Cecchini @ UML at May 1,2006 12:50pm
matt tnr said:
dragonforce was the best show i have ever seen in my entire life. anyone who puts down dragonforce and boasts gamma ray feel just as im sure gamma ray feels: pissed that dragonforce is younger, faster, and over all just a thousands times more talented than they ever were. and please don't play the metal elitist card with claiming points about how you listen to gamma ray 20 years ago. that was then, this is now and now dragonforce will be the dominating power metal band for some time to come. best show ever. wolf was good as well.




Let me start off by saying that I realllly like Dragonforce, and I realllly like GammaRay.


Anyway,


1) I highly doubt Gamma Ray is pissed at Dragonforce for being "younger and faster and more talented", why? Because well... they aren't.... Sure they are younger, but they aren't really that much faster and certainly aren't more talented. Dragonforce's guitar players arent the shit like everyone thinks they are, they are flashy and over the top and thats what gives them their appeal, but they certainly aren't breaking any guitar player molds with what they do. Gamma Ray has awesome leads, awesome melodies and overall very well constructed metal songs.


2) As mentioned before me, Gamma Ray has not been around for 20 years. Educate yourself on power metal before you open your maw and say something that makes you look like a clown.

3) I highly doubt Dragonforce will 'dominate' the power metal scene. Iced Earth, Rhapsody and Blind Guardian have had a stronger and more steady following for years, Dragonforce is going to be a flash in the pan band over here. There is a really strong buzz about them now, but don't expect it to last.

4) Saying that this was "the best show ever" is pretty dumb, and proves your pretty dumb.... The other prattle you spewed in that little paragraph further confirmed that fact.


Like I said, I really like Dragonforce, I think its good fun over the top power metal. However people every where are licking their nuts like they are the going to be the greatest band ever, they aren't and people getting like that takes the fun out of them as it does with any band. Just enjoy it for what it is, don't make it something it's not.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 12:51pm edited May 1,2006 12:53pm
But here is the thing, I never said I hated Dragonforce. I've been listening to them since their demo tape. I wonder if Matt TNR can say the same?

I merely pointed out that they are a trendy band with a lot of young fans who have not been into metal for long, and will not likely stay into metal for long, and that, for the most part, act as if this is such a novely and melodic power metal has not existed forever.

Off to my Elitist Workshop now.



toggletoggle post by Cecchini @ UML at May 1,2006 12:51pm
Oh yea and I play in a power metal band, and we're faster and younger than Danzig..... what does that have to do with anything? I dunno.


But as I was saying Iced Earth > Dragonforce



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 12:54pm
Cecchini @ UML said:
Oh yea and I play in a power metal band, and we're faster and younger than Danzig..... what does that have to do with anything? I dunno.


I agree, you guys pwn Danzig and will own Microsoft in five years.

Oh yeah, and I just realized, Decrepit Birth is the BEST DEATH METAL BAND EVAR B/C THEY ARE MORE BR00TAL TECHNICAL AND FASTER THAN DEATH AND SUFFOCATION ZOMG!!!!



toggletoggle post by pam   at May 1,2006 12:59pm
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
Hey Pam, The Haunted are better than Slayer. They are faster and Slayer is soooo jealous.

hahaha.
I am listening to your band right now



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 1:02pm
pam said:
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
Hey Pam, The Haunted are better than Slayer. They are faster and Slayer is soooo jealous.

hahaha.
I am listening to your band right now


Nice, I'm glad someone is!



toggletoggle post by TheGreatSpaldino   at May 1,2006 1:02pm
Mortician is the best death metal band because their drummer can hold a really fast blast forever.



toggletoggle post by TheGreatSpaldino   at May 1,2006 1:03pm
oh yeah... i for got the obligatory "LOL!"

... LOL!!!!!11111111111111



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 1:03pm
TheGreatSpaldino said:
Mortician is the best death metal band because their drummer can hold a really fast blast forever.



Did you mean the real drummer or the computer program?



toggletoggle post by pam   at May 1,2006 1:07pm
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
pam said:
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
Hey Pam, The Haunted are better than Slayer. They are faster and Slayer is soooo jealous.

hahaha.
I am listening to your band right now


Nice, I'm glad someone is!


What are you guys doing on the 13th of May?



toggletoggle post by TheGreatSpaldino   at May 1,2006 1:09pm
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
TheGreatSpaldino said:
Mortician is the best death metal band because their drummer can hold a really fast blast forever.



Did you mean the real drummer or the computer program?


are you kidding me?! of course im talking about the real drummer... that drummer is too awesome and real sounding to be a computer program... i mean... just listen to it. BABABABADABDADAFDDADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADDADAADADADADADDADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADDADADAA CHSHH!!!! BABAAFADADADADADADADADADDABBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBDADADADADADADA CHSHS!!11111 (thats blast beat, crash, blast, double bass, blast, crash if you didnt get it)



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 1:12pm
pam said:
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
pam said:
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
Hey Pam, The Haunted are better than Slayer. They are faster and Slayer is soooo jealous.

hahaha.
I am listening to your band right now


Nice, I'm glad someone is!


What are you guys doing on the 13th of May?


Aggh, I'm looking at the calendar I keep and it's marked as a no-show day, someone must have some plans that night. Damnitall.




toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 1:14pm
TheGreatSpaldino said:
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
TheGreatSpaldino said:
Mortician is the best death metal band because their drummer can hold a really fast blast forever.



Did you mean the real drummer or the computer program?


are you kidding me?! of course im talking about the real drummer... that drummer is too awesome and real sounding to be a computer program... i mean... just listen to it. BABABABADABDADAFDDADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADDADAADADADADADDADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADDADADAA CHSHH!!!! BABAAFADADADADADADADADADDABBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBDADADADADADADA CHSHS!!11111 (thats blast beat, crash, blast, double bass, blast, crash if you didnt get it)


Oh I got it, you sly devil.




toggletoggle post by pam   at May 1,2006 1:14pm
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
pam said:
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
pam said:
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
Hey Pam, The Haunted are better than Slayer. They are faster and Slayer is soooo jealous.

hahaha.
I am listening to your band right now


Nice, I'm glad someone is!


What are you guys doing on the 13th of May?


Aggh, I'm looking at the calendar I keep and it's marked as a no-show day, someone must have some plans that night. Damnitall.




nnnooooooo



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 1:18pm
pam said:
nnnooooooo


I know, huh.

Well I'm setting up two more shows after we play the 5/20 and 6/6/6, one for late June and one for late July (the late July date will hopefully be some big oldschool names, or at least I am working towards that). I'll put you down for a slot once I get more info, StR hasn't played up north of Boston yet, eh?



toggletoggle post by pam   at May 1,2006 1:29pm
No not really. We're not even a year old yet, I will get you down to New Bedford asap. Jon's going to shit himself when he hears you guys.



toggletoggle post by matt tnr at May 1,2006 1:32pm
hahahahahahaha, i just pissed off a bunch of 30yr old guys who live in their parents basement and get together every saturday night to play D'n'D. sorry for stating the obvious. i saw iced earth last year and they sucked. old and boring. however, their backdrop kicked the shit out of dragonforces. and dragonforce has been popular over here for some time now so a "flash in the pan"? i think not.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 1:33pm
Nice, yeah, if you want the whole demos, just let me know and I can email them or something. We've never gotten a chance to play with any of the bands down there so it would be an honor.



toggletoggle post by pam   at May 1,2006 1:38pm
I harbor secret desire to be in a dirty oldschool thrashband, I live vicariously through booking them...the pleasure is all mine. I definately want the demo. AIM transfer might be quicker?



toggletoggle post by Cecchini @ UML at May 1,2006 1:42pm
matt tnr said:
hahahahahahaha, i just pissed off a bunch of 30yr old guys who live in their parents basement and get together every saturday night to play D'n'D. sorry for stating the obvious. i saw iced earth last year and they sucked. old and boring. however, their backdrop kicked the shit out of dragonforces. and dragonforce has been popular over here for some time now so a "flash in the pan"? i think not.


Actually I'm 22 and in class. so

stfu n00b lolz



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 1:45pm edited May 1,2006 1:48pm
matt tnr said:
hahahahahahaha, i just pissed off a bunch of 30yr old guys who live in their parents basement and get together every saturday night to play D'n'D. sorry for stating the obvious.


Whoah there sailor bill!

1. You haven't pissed us off, so ease up on all the self-credit.
2. Some of Dragonforce are in their 30s. There goes your argument.
3. Some of Dragonforce play D&D. So now they aren't cool either.
4. You make fun of D&D, but listen to a band called DRAGONforce. Are you a hypocrite often, or just on weekdays?
5. You probably live six blocks from me. Come to my basement and play D&D with me, I'll let you listen to all the power metal you've been missing. I promise some of it won't be boring (I'm not a big Iced Earth fan either).
6. You are 20 years old, and play in a metalcore band.
7. I rest my case.
8. Thanks for playing.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 1,2006 1:45pm
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
TheGreatSpaldino said:
Mortician is the best death metal band because their drummer can hold a really fast blast forever.



Did you mean the real drummer or the computer program?





toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at May 1,2006 1:45pm
matt tnr said:
hahahahahahaha, i just pissed off a bunch of 30yr old guys who live in their parents basement and get together every saturday night to play D'n'D. sorry for stating the obvious. i saw iced earth last year and they sucked. old and boring. however, their backdrop kicked the shit out of dragonforces. and dragonforce has been popular over here for some time now so a "flash in the pan"? i think not.


it's been said...but...I'm 22, I live in my own apartment...I've never played D'n'D. And I still think that you are a trend jumping douce...

what does that make me?

When I first heard Dragonforce I thought it was great. What I like most about it is that it got me listening to more of my old power metal albums. I've been listening to Blind Guardian (>Iced Earth) non-stop lately and wouldn't have it any other way.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 1,2006 1:48pm
the best backdrop ever goes to turbo negro.
gladiators fighting, planes dropping bombs, tanks, guns, etc.. and then in the back, a little rainbow coming out of a cloud.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at May 1,2006 1:50pm
holy crap that is awesome



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 1:50pm edited May 1,2006 1:51pm
the_reverend said:
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
TheGreatSpaldino said:
Mortician is the best death metal band because their drummer can hold a really fast blast forever.



Did you mean the real drummer or the computer program?




Uh, Rev, yeah, so I played with Mortician...and I was pretty sure they had a drummer. I think you were there too. Thus my confusion.




toggletoggle post by pam   at May 1,2006 1:50pm
yeah I'm not a guy, and I'm 23, I live in my own place. You're in a metalcore band? You play shmetal? lol.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 1:52pm
pam said:
yeah I'm not a guy, and I'm 23, I live in my own place. You're in a metalcore band? You play shmetal? lol.



The Nicaea Room I think. But I'm not putting them down, I really like Matt. He is a fine young lad with some potential.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 1,2006 1:53pm
I played DnD for a long time. I'm not really a fan of Iced Earth cause one of the singers sucked. Also, they aren't tongue in check. I like blind guardian a lot better than iced earth cause they do funny things like the lord of the rings song and their lyrics are so funny. dragonforce was good, but I just can't get my head around why people are apeshit for them and not all the other bands out there that have been doing it just as well longer.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at May 1,2006 1:53pm
I dig the nicaea room.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 1:54pm
the_reverend said:
I played DnD for a long time. I'm not really a fan of Iced Earth cause one of the singers sucked. Also, they aren't tongue in check. I like blind guardian a lot better than iced earth cause they do funny things like the lord of the rings song and their lyrics are so funny. dragonforce was good, but I just can't get my head around why people are apeshit for them and not all the other bands out there that have been doing it just as well longer.


There is nothing wrong with D&D. It could be worse, we could be outside hitting each other with foam weapons in a park. I agree with your sentiments on Dragonforce completely.




toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 1,2006 1:54pm
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
Uh, Rev, yeah, so I played with Mortician...and I was pretty sure they had a drummer. I think you were there too. Thus my confusion.


sorry, I forget that you don't come out of mom's basement often and are confused in most social situations. I thought it was obvious that he was pointing out their drum machine recordings.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 1,2006 1:55pm
hope I didn't ruin your dnd game.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 1:58pm
the_reverend said:
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
Uh, Rev, yeah, so I played with Mortician...and I was pretty sure they had a drummer. I think you were there too. Thus my confusion.


sorry, I forget that you don't come out of mom's basement often and are confused in most social situations. I thought it was obvious that he was pointing out their drum machine recordings.


Hehehe, I thought the drummer pulled it off pretty well live, that's why I was confused....



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 1:58pm
the_reverend said:
hope I didn't ruin your dnd game.


I'll still get my level. Don't worry.



toggletoggle post by i_am_not_me   at May 1,2006 2:04pm
the_reverend said:
Bronx Casket Co: (mainstage) they sounded like typo-doomy stuffages. Not really what I'm down for, but their lighting was cool. They had a lof of nice colored back lighting that shown out through all the fog. It was pretty cool looking in my photos from what I can tell. The singer/bassist COMPLETELY looked like the bassist from overkill and the guitarist was the most heavymetal looking person I've seen at this fest yet. People in the audience started to chant for dragonforce and bood+thumbsdowned this band.


The bassist/singer is indeed DD. And the guitarist is Jack Frost. Even after the points he loses for doing this band, he's still more metal than anyone (Aside from possibly Dragonforce.)



toggletoggle post by i_am_not_me   at May 1,2006 2:05pm
I really wanted to stay for Gamma Ray, but there's no fucking way I could make the drive home if I stayed for them...I was way too fucking worn out.



toggletoggle post by pam   at May 1,2006 2:08pm
I had an hour and a half drive, it SUCKED.



toggletoggle post by matt tnr at May 1,2006 2:20pm
brian_dc said:
I dig the nicaea room.



thanks dude.

dragonforce > everyone else



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 2:22pm
matt tnr said:


dragonforce > everyone else


Come on man, you were doing better than that before!



toggletoggle post by Y_Ddraig_Goch  at May 1,2006 4:10pm
matt tnr said:
brian_dc said:
I dig the nicaea room.



thanks dude.

dragonforce > everyone else


We shouldn't even bother with this kid if he thinks one a-type power metal band owns all other musical acts in history then he won't be on this site much longer.

I like Dragonforce, but I must say their cds are boring as fuck, after one song it all sounds the same, all the writing is very similar, there were times when I caught myself singing the wrong chorus at the show, but the thing was it fit perfectly with what they were playing. Dragonforce is indeed talented, but I must say there are tons of power metal bands out there that own them.

Ie Gamma Ray, Iced Earth, Angra, Pagan's Mind, Blind Guardian, Norther, Dark Moor, Lost Horizon, Luca Turilli, Helloween, Sonata Arctica, Stratovarius, and much more

each of those bands is over all better than dragonforce. I love Dragonforce but I must admit that they are a type a band, they just take what others have done and play it faster, the appeal I think with dragonforce is

a) They are from an English speaking Country, thus youngsters when looking them up will figure that they sing in English, whereas if the band were from Finnland, norway, Iceland, Russia...ect, they would figure they speak in a funny foreign language, and no one wants to be caught listening to music from non english lands.

b) They are showboaters, they hop around and dance on stage.

c) all their songs asides from the two or three ballads they have, are the same fast tempo, where as other power metal bands put out all kinds of tempos, and often have acoustic songs, or symphonic support.

d) their are no harsh vocals, nor is there a change in the vocal range. Dragonforce stick to one range, sometimes going alittle higher where as other power metal bands used varried ranges going from low to deafing highs.

e) They appeal to video game nerds, their lyrics and some of the samples sound like pieces from games, infact Herman Li said himself he is heavily influenced from Nintendo video game music.

f) They have an Asian, and we all know that anyone not white in a rock band is a novelty and must be adored or it's racist.

g) Somewhere down the line some metal kids wanting to show an appealing crowd friendly metal band to non metal kids chose Dragonforce over bands like Immortal, or Kalmah and other such bands, they chose Dragonforce because it would be appealing to closed-minded music fans and thus most Metal kids for years have been pumping up dragonforce more than any other metal band to non metal kids in a hope of getting them into metal


that is why I think Dragonforce are all the rage, next time on "why good bands have bad fans; Chillen' of Bodom"




toggletoggle post by SteveOTB   at May 1,2006 4:18pm
Y_Ddraig_Goch said:
matt tnr said:
brian_dc said:
I dig the nicaea room.



thanks dude.

dragonforce > everyone else


We shouldn't even bother with this kid if he thinks one a-type power metal band owns all other musical acts in history then he won't be on this site much longer.

I like Dragonforce, but I must say their cds are boring as fuck, after one song it all sounds the same, all the writing is very similar, there were times when I caught myself singing the wrong chorus at the show, but the thing was it fit perfectly with what they were playing. Dragonforce is indeed talented, but I must say there are tons of power metal bands out there that own them.

Ie Gamma Ray, Iced Earth, Angra, Pagan's Mind, Blind Guardian, Norther, Dark Moor, Lost Horizon, Luca Turilli, Helloween, Sonata Arctica, Stratovarius, and much more

each of those bands is over all better than dragonforce. I love Dragonforce but I must admit that they are a type a band, they just take what others have done and play it faster, the appeal I think with dragonforce is

a) They are from an English speaking Country, thus youngsters when looking them up will figure that they sing in English, whereas if the band were from Finnland, norway, Iceland, Russia...ect, they would figure they speak in a funny foreign language, and no one wants to be caught listening to music from non english lands.

b) They are showboaters, they hop around and dance on stage.

c) all their songs asides from the two or three ballads they have, are the same fast tempo, where as other power metal bands put out all kinds of tempos, and often have acoustic songs, or symphonic support.

d) their are no harsh vocals, nor is there a change in the vocal range. Dragonforce stick to one range, sometimes going alittle higher where as other power metal bands used varried ranges going from low to deafing highs.

e) They appeal to video game nerds, their lyrics and some of the samples sound like pieces from games, infact Herman Li said himself he is heavily influenced from Nintendo video game music.

f) They have an Asian, and we all know that anyone not white in a rock band is a novelty and must be adored or it's racist.

g) Somewhere down the line some metal kids wanting to show an appealing crowd friendly metal band to non metal kids chose Dragonforce over bands like Immortal, or Kalmah and other such bands, they chose Dragonforce because it would be appealing to closed-minded music fans and thus most Metal kids for years have been pumping up dragonforce more than any other metal band to non metal kids in a hope of getting them into metal


that is why I think Dragonforce are all the rage, next time on "why good bands have bad fans; Chillen' of Bodom"



I actually have 2 asians in my band so I don't see how that's a novelty. Basically that statement there was actually racist without attempting to be. My band was formed because 2 asians wanted to start a metal band for the love of it not to be a novelty act.



toggletoggle post by Y_Ddraig_Goch  at May 1,2006 4:24pm
I was saying that the typical kid who loves dragonforce, might like them just cause the fact that herman li is asian, and most rock bands now adays don't have asian frontmen. Trust me I am not racist myself, I have a jew and a puerto rican in my band hahahah

I never said that dragonfroce was novelty because of herman li, just that fans think it is a novelty because of him.



toggletoggle post by SteveOTB   at May 1,2006 4:31pm
Y_Ddraig_Goch said:
I was saying that the typical kid who loves dragonforce, might like them just cause the fact that herman li is asian, and most rock bands now adays don't have asian frontmen. Trust me I am not racist myself, I have a jew and a puerto rican in my band hahahah

I never said that dragonfroce was novelty because of herman li, just that fans think it is a novelty because of him.


LOL it's cool man.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at May 1,2006 4:33pm
pam said:
I think he's showing you with his mouth gesture.


you're hilarious today.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at May 1,2006 4:34pm
European power metal is so beyond gay that it fucks itself in its own ass.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 4:36pm edited May 1,2006 4:40pm
Y_Ddraig_Goch said:
matt tnr said:
brian_dc said:
I dig the nicaea room.



thanks dude.

dragonforce > everyone else


We shouldn't even bother with this kid if he thinks one a-type power metal band owns all other musical acts in history then he won't be on this site much longer.

I like Dragonforce, but I must say their cds are boring as fuck, after one song it all sounds the same, all the writing is very similar, there were times when I caught myself singing the wrong chorus at the show, but the thing was it fit perfectly with what they were playing. Dragonforce is indeed talented, but I must say there are tons of power metal bands out there that own them.

Ie Gamma Ray, Iced Earth, Angra, Pagan's Mind, Blind Guardian, Norther, Dark Moor, Lost Horizon, Luca Turilli, Helloween, Sonata Arctica, Stratovarius, and much more

each of those bands is over all better than dragonforce. I love Dragonforce but I must admit that they are a type a band, they just take what others have done and play it faster, the appeal I think with dragonforce is

a) They are from an English speaking Country, thus youngsters when looking them up will figure that they sing in English, whereas if the band were from Finnland, norway, Iceland, Russia...ect, they would figure they speak in a funny foreign language, and no one wants to be caught listening to music from non english lands.

b) They are showboaters, they hop around and dance on stage.

c) all their songs asides from the two or three ballads they have, are the same fast tempo, where as other power metal bands put out all kinds of tempos, and often have acoustic songs, or symphonic support.

d) their are no harsh vocals, nor is there a change in the vocal range. Dragonforce stick to one range, sometimes going alittle higher where as other power metal bands used varried ranges going from low to deafing highs.

e) They appeal to video game nerds, their lyrics and some of the samples sound like pieces from games, infact Herman Li said himself he is heavily influenced from Nintendo video game music.

f) They have an Asian, and we all know that anyone not white in a rock band is a novelty and must be adored or it's racist.

g) Somewhere down the line some metal kids wanting to show an appealing crowd friendly metal band to non metal kids chose Dragonforce over bands like Immortal, or Kalmah and other such bands, they chose Dragonforce because it would be appealing to closed-minded music fans and thus most Metal kids for years have been pumping up dragonforce more than any other metal band to non metal kids in a hope of getting them into metal


that is why I think Dragonforce are all the rage, next time on "why good bands have bad fans; Chillen' of Bodom"



Great post brother, and you are right. They only appeal to certain videogame nerds though. I am a major videogame addict and I don't think their music has anything in common with most of the music except a few Rush'n'Attack/Megaman style melodies.

The funny thing is, this kid doesn't even have Dragonforce listed on his favorite bands on his MS page. Yet he says they are better than everyone else. Which says to me that he got into them about two weeks ago and hasn't updated. Bandwagon 101.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 1,2006 4:48pm
Y_Ddraig_Goch said:
Norther


is there more than one norther? the band that I know is blackmetaly, but with powermetalish synths.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 4:49pm
Norther is a similar band to COB but simpler and frankly, far better songwriters. That is probably the one you are thinking of, they have black metal vocals but the music is pure Finnish melodeath with synths.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 1,2006 4:52pm
ok, that is the band I'm thinking of. I only have one CD and it's good, but I don't remember the songs varying vary much. they were all played at the same speed through out the songs. though I haven't listened to them for a while.



toggletoggle post by SeedBassist at May 1,2006 4:55pm
Norther is the band who does that death/black/speed metal cover of "The Final Countdown", but everyone says that it's Children Of Bodom



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 4:59pm
the_reverend said:
ok, that is the band I'm thinking of. I only have one CD and it's good, but I don't remember the songs varying vary much. they were all played at the same speed through out the songs. though I haven't listened to them for a while.


Their new CD is pretty good.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at May 1,2006 5:02pm
drinkhardthrashhard totally owns this thread. bow down.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at May 1,2006 5:03pm
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
Norther is a similar band to COB but simpler and frankly, far better songwriters. That is probably the one you are thinking of, they have black metal vocals but the music is pure Finnish melodeath with synths.


i agree. norther, and pretty much every other bodom-ish band, has superior songwriting skills to bodom. bodom is possibly the worst at that style.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 5:04pm
dreadkill said:
drinkhardthrashhard totally owns this thread.


I paid dearly for it.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 1,2006 5:14pm
COB's problem is that I dont think they know english so they just use catch phrases that they learned on TV.
ie: "i don't give a fuck ___"



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 5:15pm
COB is just flashy power metal, with lots of solos and crap ripped straight off Stratovarius, but they are a little thrashier and have the harsh vocals. Their music goes right in one ear and out the other. I think I liked only one song on their 3rd album. It sounded like a Zakk Wylde riff from back when he joined Ozzy.

As for Norther and Kalmah, both are far more memorable with the songwriting. I still spin "They Will Return" from Kalmah all the time, and the first and latest Norther.



toggletoggle post by SeedBassist at May 1,2006 5:19pm
I like Bodom, but I agree with the fact that they've gone downhill over the years. I liked the first few albums where they had the whole classical element going on. Then I got the new album and realized that they've completely stripped that element away and it's just boring straight-ahead thrash with a bunch of "fuck you"'s thrown in



toggletoggle post by Sing_Jsong at May 1,2006 5:57pm
Y_Ddraig_Goch said:
We shouldn't even bother with this kid if he thinks one a-type power metal band owns all other musical acts in history then he won't be on this site much longer.

I like Dragonforce, but I must say their cds are boring as fuck, after one song it all sounds the same, all the writing is very similar, there were times when I caught myself singing the wrong chorus at the show, but the thing was it fit perfectly with what they were playing. Dragonforce is indeed talented, but I must say there are tons of power metal bands out there that own them.

Ie Gamma Ray, Iced Earth, Angra, Pagan's Mind, Blind Guardian, Norther, Dark Moor, Lost Horizon, Luca Turilli, Helloween, Sonata Arctica, Stratovarius, and much more

each of those bands is over all better than dragonforce. I love Dragonforce but I must admit that they are a type a band, they just take what others have done and play it faster, the appeal I think with dragonforce is

a) They are from an English speaking Country, thus youngsters when looking them up will figure that they sing in English, whereas if the band were from Finnland, norway, Iceland, Russia...ect, they would figure they speak in a funny foreign language, and no one wants to be caught listening to music from non english lands.

b) They are showboaters, they hop around and dance on stage.

c) all their songs asides from the two or three ballads they have, are the same fast tempo, where as other power metal bands put out all kinds of tempos, and often have acoustic songs, or symphonic support.

d) their are no harsh vocals, nor is there a change in the vocal range. Dragonforce stick to one range, sometimes going alittle higher where as other power metal bands used varried ranges going from low to deafing highs.

e) They appeal to video game nerds, their lyrics and some of the samples sound like pieces from games, infact Herman Li said himself he is heavily influenced from Nintendo video game music.

f) They have an Asian, and we all know that anyone not white in a rock band is a novelty and must be adored or it's racist.

g) Somewhere down the line some metal kids wanting to show an appealing crowd friendly metal band to non metal kids chose Dragonforce over bands like Immortal, or Kalmah and other such bands, they chose Dragonforce because it would be appealing to closed-minded music fans and thus most Metal kids for years have been pumping up dragonforce more than any other metal band to non metal kids in a hope of getting them into metal


that is why I think Dragonforce are all the rage, next time on "why good bands have bad fans; Chillen' of Bodom"

>>

I must say, you incorporate a bizarre mix of somewhat valid statements with silly absurdity. Dragonforce aren't the best metal act of all time, nor will they ever be, but they certainly aren't the worst. They obviously possess two very talented guitarists that can put the lick on the solo but get lost when it comes to song structure. Now to get to your plethora of points:

a) That's probably the worst and most pathetic stereotype I have ever seen in relation to fans. I have never seen nor heard kids complain that they don't like a band because they sing in Finnish or whatever, and that they try as hard as they can to avoid bands that don't sing in English. That's just a weak and poor attempt at trying to kick the mainstream metal scene when it's down.

b) Would you rather they stand in one spot and just bang their head every now and then? It makes the shows exciting. Believe me, there's plenty of bands out there who make good music but are godawful live, and it hurts them.

c) That you're partly right on. They do use the same chord and song structure for the most part. They do, however, have acoustic songs and use plenty of symphonic support.

d) Harsh vocals isn't really a trademark of power metal, so you lost me there. There's plenty of power metal vocalists out there that explore their range just as much as Theart.

e) Maybe so, I really don't care for the lyrics because I took one look at them and saw that blandness right away in them. How much that influences their fans...who knows.

f) Another baseless stereotype of fans. You're probably the only one who thinks it needs to be embraced. Other than that, you're just desperately vieing for a reason to attack the fans.

g) And so kids tell their friends about Dragonforce. That would up their fanbase, and possibly other bands that they look into as well. I don't think it really would matter either...



toggletoggle post by Sing_Jsong at May 1,2006 5:59pm
btw, I'm not Asian either; I made up the name for use.



toggletoggle post by RobinG at May 1,2006 6:01pm
I'm china.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 6:15pm
I WANT to be Asian, does that count?



toggletoggle post by BestialOnslaught  at May 1,2006 8:47pm
Haha, Scott's on fire in this thread! DRAGONFORCE was mediocre, as I expected, it was ok to watch just cause it's pretty rare for a Power Metal tour to come around. GAMMA RAY was amazing, though I really really really wish they had gotten to play their full encore including "Send Me A Sign". I didn't see anything else. I would have much rather paid $25 for a normal downstairs Palladium show than fest price, fuck that crap.



toggletoggle post by contagion   at May 1,2006 9:07pm
this is one big i know more about power metal than you jerk off session.



toggletoggle post by pam   at May 1,2006 9:17pm
dreadkill said:
pam said:
I think he's showing you with his mouth gesture.


you're hilarious today.


I'm hilarious everyday.



toggletoggle post by TheGreatSpaldino   at May 1,2006 11:30pm
umm also... if you actually LISTEN to Inhuman Rampage... you will hear harsh backing vocals thoughout the whole album in several places


thank you and goodnight



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at May 1,2006 11:33pm
rev you never reviewed the last bands... or if you did i cant find it



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 11:38pm edited May 1,2006 11:39pm
TheGreatSpaldino said:
umm also... if you actually LISTEN to Inhuman Rampage... you will hear harsh backing vocals thoughout the whole album in several places


thank you and goodnight


Bah, a completely boring album. The first two are far better and the novelty has already worn off.

Alex, I can't believe they didn't get to play "Send Me a Sign". That is goddamn robbery.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 11:40pm
contagion said:
this is one big i know more about power metal than you jerk off session.


I know more about power metal than you.

Wait a minute......wait a minute.....wait a minute.....there, I'm done.

I'll go get the tissues.



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at May 1,2006 11:42pm
dudes... regardless off all the reasons dragonforce is formulaic and popular for all these logistical reasons. they kick ass... shredding, jumping around and playing fast is sick and fun to watch. plus they seem like funny guys. im not gonna look for meaning or integrity in the music because there is none. its just showy and feel good awesome-ness... they are called DRAGONFORCE wha tthe fuck do you expect. eat it up if you like it. otherwise just don't listen to it. thats how i see it.



toggletoggle post by slowlypeelingtheflesh   at May 1,2006 11:43pm
no one should take power metal seriously ever, to argue about it over the internet.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 11:44pm
Normally I'd agree with you.

This is a metal forum though, we like to argue about these types of things. By your own logic, if you like don't like it, you don't have to read it, right?



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at May 1,2006 11:45pm
i like the new album the fucking use a vocoder like a boyband hahaha sickkkkk



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 11:45pm
I thought they WERE a boyband?



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at May 1,2006 11:46pm
i didnt say anything about you guys arguing



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at May 1,2006 11:47pm edited May 1,2006 11:47pm
oh you meant the slowlypeeling dood



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 1,2006 11:48pm
Nah man, I was just saying when I see people say "if you like it, eat it up, otherwise just don't listen to it", that doesn't always happen, you know? Sometimes we discuss it too.

No worries.



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at May 2,2006 12:09am



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 2,2006 12:10am
Hahaha. Alright, now we are talking.



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at May 2,2006 12:11am
that took me way too long



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at May 2,2006 12:12am
this has just made me realize that gimp is awesome tho



toggletoggle post by retzam at May 2,2006 12:28am
Hmmm, I'm puzzled why Dragonforce gets so much hate. Most powermetal bands are schtick, so I don't know why people criticize Dragonforce's schtick. Secondly, they are all great at their instruments, and I'm surprised no one in here has mentioned how great ZP's voice is. He may just be another powermetal singer with borderline hilarious fantasy lyrics, but if you don't think he's a great singer, I'm kind of at a loss. He's just as good as the singers of so many powermetal bands mentioned in this thread, including (and I am referring to the singer as they were/are in their prime, just like ZP appears to be now) Fabio Lione, Luca Turrilli, Kai Hansen, Hansi Kursch (yeah, completely different style, I know), Michael Kiske, Tobias Sammet, etc. ZP is great, he belts out very very high stuff pretty consistently, which is very difficult on the vocal chords, especially considering the fact that he doesn't appear to make use of a falsetto except on the really high harmonies on the album. He was spot on at metalfest, and so were all the guitar solos. Obviously they take a lot from other bands, but Dragonforce have a very very recognizable sound (I've never heard a band that sounds as much influenced by video game music as they are), so doesn't the fact that they as a unit are very recognizable constitute some originality? I mean, try to disagree with it, but I'm telling you right now, play me 20 different songs by 20 different power metal bands and I'll tell you which one is Dragonforce. Play me 100 different songs buy 100 different power metal bands and I'll tell you which one is Dragonforce. And I only own one album, so I won't be recognizing the song necessarily, but I'll definitely be recognizing the sound. And regarding their songs being very similar in structure, style, chord progressions (and yes, even melodies sometimes), yep, true, completely true. But their third album, from the little I've heard from it sounds like they are evolving musically as every band should, and getting better at more unique songwriting. Call me crazy, but I don't think Dragonforce is a "flash in the pan". I think their gonna keep going and keep being recognized for a while now. And I think it's silly to think they are flash in the pan just because they got really popular all of sudden and have a huge following of "n00bs". There was a band back in the 60s that became an overnight success playing sappy pop tunes ripped off from Elvis and their favorite Blues artists, attracting a huge American following of "n00b" rock and roll fans. They then went on to release albums like Revolver, Rubber Soul, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, and Abbey Road... sooo... anything can happen, right? Obviously, it's absurdly unlikely that Dragonforce are going to be the next Beatles, but, hopefully you guys get what I'm saying. That said, personally, I enjoyed seeing the first US appearance by these guys, cause they rock soooo hard

And, I've gone and done it again: I've rambled for about 15 minutes now, and I'm sure no more than 2 or 3 people are gonna be patient enough to read it.



toggletoggle post by pam   at May 2,2006 12:51am
I'm not reading that, but only because I vowed to stop reading Dragonforce analyzing earlier.

I would like to state that I do NOT hate Dragonforce. I just don't give a shit about them.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 2,2006 1:04am
retzam you are right. I'm going back in time and labeling them n00bz.
thanks for the new mission



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at May 2,2006 1:16am
REV! REVIEWS DICK HEAD!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 2,2006 1:33am
oh shit, you probably missed the fact that I'm doing a radioshow.
there is some thread about it on this board somewhere.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at May 2,2006 3:57am
so...this Protest the Hero CD is the most confusing thing I've encountered in awhile.

Where the fuck did they come from?



toggletoggle post by retzam at May 2,2006 6:57am
pam said:
I'm not reading that, but only because I vowed to stop reading Dragonforce analyzing earlier.

I would like to state that I do NOT hate Dragonforce. I just don't give a shit about them.


I don't blame you, I wouldn't read it either, this thread isn't going anywhere. I'm just glad I posted it.



toggletoggle post by SteveOTB   at May 2,2006 8:30am
brian_dc said:
so...this Protest the Hero CD is the most confusing thing I've encountered in awhile.

Where the fuck did they come from?


I watched them on Sunday and I was pretty impressed because they mixed fucking everything I swear. I like when bands don't stick to one certain style.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 2,2006 9:26am edited May 2,2006 9:27am
retzam said:
Hmmm, I'm puzzled why Dragonforce gets so much hate. Most powermetal bands are schtick, so I don't know why people criticize Dragonforce's schtick. Secondly, they are all great at their instruments, and I'm surprised no one in here has mentioned how great ZP's voice is. He may just be another powermetal singer with borderline hilarious fantasy lyrics, but if you don't think he's a great singer, I'm kind of at a loss. He's just as good as the singers of so many powermetal bands mentioned in this thread, including (and I am referring to the singer as they were/are in their prime, just like ZP appears to be now) Fabio Lione, Luca Turrilli, Kai Hansen, Hansi Kursch (yeah, completely different style, I know), Michael Kiske, Tobias Sammet, etc. ZP is great, he belts out very very high stuff pretty consistently, which is very difficult on the vocal chords, especially considering the fact that he doesn't appear to make use of a falsetto except on the really high harmonies on the album. He was spot on at metalfest, and so were all the guitar solos. Obviously they take a lot from other bands, but Dragonforce have a very very recognizable sound (I've never heard a band that sounds as much influenced by video game music as they are), so doesn't the fact that they as a unit are very recognizable constitute some originality? I mean, try to disagree with it, but I'm telling you right now, play me 20 different songs by 20 different power metal bands and I'll tell you which one is Dragonforce. Play me 100 different songs buy 100 different power metal bands and I'll tell you which one is Dragonforce. And I only own one album, so I won't be recognizing the song necessarily, but I'll definitely be recognizing the sound. And regarding their songs being very similar in structure, style, chord progressions (and yes, even melodies sometimes), yep, true, completely true. But their third album, from the little I've heard from it sounds like they are evolving musically as every band should, and getting better at more unique songwriting. Call me crazy, but I don't think Dragonforce is a "flash in the pan". I think their gonna keep going and keep being recognized for a while now. And I think it's silly to think they are flash in the pan just because they got really popular all of sudden and have a huge following of "n00bs". There was a band back in the 60s that became an overnight success playing sappy pop tunes ripped off from Elvis and their favorite Blues artists, attracting a huge American following of "n00b" rock and roll fans. They then went on to release albums like Revolver, Rubber Soul, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, and Abbey Road... sooo... anything can happen, right? Obviously, it's absurdly unlikely that Dragonforce are going to be the next Beatles, but, hopefully you guys get what I'm saying. That said, personally, I enjoyed seeing the first US appearance by these guys, cause they rock soooo hard

And, I've gone and done it again: I've rambled for about 15 minutes now, and I'm sure no more than 2 or 3 people are gonna be patient enough to read it.


None of us said we hated them.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at May 2,2006 11:04am
I said I hated them but that's just because I hate power metal as a whole.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at May 2,2006 11:05am
Damnit. You did.



toggletoggle post by i_am_not_me   at May 2,2006 12:20pm edited May 2,2006 12:21pm
brian_dc said:
so...this Protest the Hero CD is the most confusing thing I've encountered in awhile.

Where the fuck did they come from?


I skipped Protest the Hero. I forget why. I think I had to take a monstrous shit or something.

...or were they on during Torn Asunder?



toggletoggle post by Y_Ddraig_Goch  at May 2,2006 1:07pm
On a side note, anyone notice that the bass player didn't play that crazy slap bass solo, the keyboards did, and they tried to hide it by talking to the fans at that point, but if you looked and listened you clearly heard the slap bass solo but only saw the bassists plucking, and his fret hand was only moving in a normal up down fasion, clearly not playing the solo.

but other than that I liked the show, besides of couse the shitty sound sytem, fuck the palladium.



toggletoggle post by retzam at May 2,2006 3:25pm
I like your screen name Y Draig, kickass song.



toggletoggle post by CarrotsandSticks  at May 2,2006 5:22pm
I thought all the late night bands had great sound....atleast compared to all bands before 7.



toggletoggle post by TheGreatSpaldino   at May 2,2006 8:09pm
Y_Ddraig_Goch said:
On a side note, anyone notice that the bass player didn't play that crazy slap bass solo, the keyboards did, and they tried to hide it by talking to the fans at that point, but if you looked and listened you clearly heard the slap bass solo but only saw the bassists plucking, and his fret hand was only moving in a normal up down fasion, clearly not playing the solo.

but other than that I liked the show, besides of couse the shitty sound sytem, fuck the palladium.


in Body Breakdown?
thats a damned shame... that part sounds so sick



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at May 2,2006 9:32pm
i didn't recognizee half the bands on the bill this year.



toggletoggle post by Y_Ddraig_Goch  at May 3,2006 2:41am
retzam said:
I like your screen name Y Draig, kickass song.



my aim screen name? The moonspell song, or this user name, the Hollenthon song.

either way both are awesome songs, and if you haven't heard Hollenthon check em out, Symphonic Folk Black metal



toggletoggle post by retzam at May 3,2006 2:46pm
Y_Ddraig_Goch said:
retzam said:
I like your screen name Y Draig, kickass song.



my aim screen name? The moonspell song, or this user name, the Hollenthon song.

either way both are awesome songs, and if you haven't heard Hollenthon check em out, Symphonic Folk Black metal


Sorry, I didn't mean screen name, I mean user name. Hollenthon does kick ass, but I only have With Vilest Of Worms To Dwell. I've heard a little off the first album. Sounds great, and I hear it's more diverse musically.



toggletoggle post by retzam at May 3,2006 2:47pm
But what Moonspell song did you use as your screenname? I'm curious because I like Moonspell and Hollenthon and they're both bands you don't hear talked about very much.



toggletoggle post by matt tnr at May 3,2006 3:45pm
hahaha, sorry i dont update my rttp profile daily. i have other things to do.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 3,2006 4:51pm
*cries*



toggletoggle post by matt tnr at May 3,2006 5:29pm
hahaha i love you rev.



toggletoggle post by goratory nli at May 3,2006 5:48pm
niccolai said:


Where did he get that moser custom shop templar?


from the Moser custom shop. our last tour routed us right through Neal's area so he finished it up early for me so i could pick it up in person. Neal is an amazing guitar maker and a really great person, he took the time to show us the step by step on how he makes his guitars, i highly recommend buying one.




toggletoggle post by KeithMutiny  at May 3,2006 5:52pm
metalcore kids dont wear origin shirts...



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at May 3,2006 5:57pm edited May 3,2006 6:02pm
goratory nli said:
niccolai said:


Where did he get that moser custom shop templar?


from the Moser custom shop. our last tour routed us right through Neal's area so he finished it up early for me so i could pick it up in person. Neal is an amazing guitar maker and a really great person, he took the time to show us the step by step on how he makes his guitars, i highly recommend buying one.


Yea, I new Neal and the rest of MCS built it, it was just odd to me that you knew about them. Not a very common name around the new angland area considering the lack of dealers. Aside form Me and Ken Patin of Yavcon guitars (he laminates for Neal), I didn't think anyone really even knew about them.

Yes, he does build a fine guitar. I'm sure he went over all of his crazy mexican luthery techniques and neck angle formulas with you (lol, the man is a machine).

as for ordering one, way ahead of you man
I've had an arachnid ultra on the drawing board for over a year now, and I'm currently debating over ordering and archtop SS from them or an ESP horizon.

I've been a member of the Moser custom shop forum for some time... you should consider registering and maybe throwing up some pictures of the guitar. everyone there (including Neal and earleen) would appreciate it. Is that an all mahogany SS? how's the neck thickness?
also, have you had to re oil it yet?

As for everyone else, you should check out MCS guitars. Awsome quality, and awsome people. Neal and Earleen even sent me a free shirt when my house caught on fire. What other guitar company does that?



toggletoggle post by Y_Ddraig_Goch  at May 4,2006 2:02am
retzam said:
But what Moonspell song did you use as your screenname? I'm curious because I like Moonspell and Hollenthon and they're both bands you don't hear talked about very much.


From Lowering Skies.

Moonspell and Hollenthon are on my tope ten list of favorite bands, If you haven't picked up the new Moonspell cd do so now, it is far more amazing than all other releases to date.




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