this makes me fucking sick...photos of the torture going on at Abu Ghraib prison, just released thanks to the efforts of the ACLU.

http://today.reuters.com/tv/videoStory.asp...13cb025e432b48178d66a18af6b6b3fd557

yeah, well, we don't get shit for chance until 2008.

However, this year has midterm elections in store (I think for the House AND Congress???). VOTE 'em out, for chrissakes! THAT IS ALL THEY FEAR!

Will you stop being such an activist? If you hate it this bad run for fucking President and shut the fuck up already!

Go to Barnes and Noble and buy a book titled, "100 People Who Are Screwing Up America". Read the book. It'll be the best $20.00 you spend all year. It is written by the fairly Liberal and very famous media icon, Bernard Goldberg. It will highlight why Liberals are digging their own grave in this country with their constant whining and pandering to anything considered PC. It will also point out all of the corruption and money laundering that is saturating your beloved ACLU.

Now get your facts from somewhere other than the internet and then I'll attempt to carry out civilized argument with you.

2006 = time to make them impotent.

hoser said:

pisscup said:

That's not me, man! I wouldn't hurt a girl!! I'll leave that up to the Kennedy's!!

HailTheLeaf, when are you going to shut your fucking mouth? These threads are really getting annoying.

you can't silence the truth!

eddie said:

Eddie, go on AIM express.

mike you have to im, i can't see my buddy list because of a stupid popupblocker

I can't find you on my buddly list. Turn off pop up blocker. Just go to google and type it in, the on the link you click on to go into aim express right click it instead and uncheck block pop ups

hoser said:


HAHAHAHAHAhA!!!!!

blah fuck it

rttp isn't return to the politics, it's return to the PIT!

HailTheLeaf said:


Yea thanks to the ACLU more filthy arabs will hate us and will blow up our troops, WAY TO GO!

You're a pussy if you don't think that we should be torturing terrorists...
and you are seriously fucked up if you are more offended by Abu Garib than you are of these hitlarian murderers in head scarfs.

What's worse here:
scaring these pussies with dogs?

or these cowards sawing off the head of a bound man?

hungta‘bleed said:

holy shit!
sweet man-gina!

with every action there is a reaction.

yea, maybe they should have thought twice before cutting heads and then we would not have put panties on their heads or scared them with dogs. What a bunch a pussies, we have factions of indaviduals in this country who pay for that type of shit.

hoser said:

i got that book for my girlfriend for x-mas...i'm waiting for her to finish it up so i can read it too

^ that was me ^

hungta‘bleed said:

so you're saying, you'd be ok if someone stormed into your house tomorrow and did this to your family.

oh ok just wanted to make sure.

HTB and HTL I understand your frustrations.

but to HTB:
1) if the people in abu grib cut the heads off americans, then bring them to trial and execute them.
2) the ACLU is an AMERICAN institution and has no say in what non-americans and doing in other countries.
3) nothing good ever comes out of hiding the truth except for a re-opening of wounds
4) Arabs blaming all americans for those pictures is the same as you blaming all arabs for beheadings.

for both of you:
I hate our gov't.
I hate their gov't
I hate our gov't's morals
I hate their morals.
I am a proud american, but fuck everyone, including americans.
this country is on a downward slide. unless we make some new break through technologically, our society and nation has plateaued.

i love these threads. i love watching conservatives vowing to war is peace, ignorance is strength!

WELCOME TO WWW.RETURNTOTHELIBERALFUCKFEST.COM

anonymous said:

hoser said:

I'm actually not being much of an activist, simply trying to keep you from being an ignorant moron, because that makes things shitty for the rest of us when you don't know what's really going on, or don't care.

If I ran for president I'd be assassinated like everyone before me with the same ideas.

I remember watching the author of that book on the Daily Show when it came out, and I remember Stewart chewing him a new asshole because none of the people in the book were actually in a position of power or government where they could actually be screwing up America, the people who are really fucking the country up aren't even listed. Oh, I have books too, but I don't believe everything I read.

hoser will always be an ignorant moron.. I mean, he did move from live free or die to vacation land, wtf...

hungta‘bleed said:

yeah, because if they'd invaded our country, and their troops came and took you from your house, threw you in a deplorable prision, spit on your religion and beliefs, held you without charges, never gave you your right to a trial, and tortured you that would be fine right? They'd be pussies if they didn't? we're the terrorists you asshole, wake up.

gayest thread ever. people need to shut the fuck up about politics. it's getting old.

the_reverend said:

I guess I should have elaborated more and stated my intention for drawing such a parallel between the head cutters and Abu Garib. Nick Berg's story was essentially swept under the rug. The shear magnitude of barbarity was never truthfully expressed by the mass media. In contrast, Abu garib has been fucking everywhere. There has a been a fight to get as many new photos on the cover of as many magazines as possible. All this does is incite the enemy and offer images for Al Qaeda recruitment flyers. Insted, shouldn't we be showing the beheadings and saying "this is who we are fighting! this is the enemy!" ? Winning the propaganda war is just as important as the war it self, and plastering Abu Garib while hiding the beheadings is 1 point for them and -1 for us.

What the hell is a Hitlarian murderer?

hungta‘bleed said:

Nick Berg was one person captured by a regional resistance group.

Abu Ghraib is a glimpse of system wide torture authorized by the world's only superpower. A superpower which claims to be a beacon of freedom and hope for oppressed people around the world yet has a secret prison system set up to deny those oppressed people freedom and torture them to death. Slightly more "hitlarian" than the hostage situations.

That is why Abu Ghraib is a bigger story.

Nick berg wasn't the only one executed. There have been DOZENS. I have personally seen at least 25 different execution videos by these evangelists of the religion of peace, many of them involving multiple victems.

Hitlarian murderers: These little hitlers in head scarfs who are evangelists for the religion of peace who spread their version of Islam and world domination by suicide bombers and headcutters.

The people being held at Abu Ghraib and other U.S. prisions, many of them secret, haven't necessarily beheaded anyone, or done anything, many haven't even been charged with anything.

BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:
If you think Nick Berg was the only one who's head was cut off, my point is proven.

hungta‘bleed said:

world domination? hahahahahahahaha, wow, I think there's this other religion that's supposed to be all about peace with evangelists who have been carpet bombing and naplaming Iraq for the past few years...who would Jesus bomb? Bush must wake up and ask himself that everyday...

hungta‘bleed said:

Of course there have been dozens of executions, but how many people are currently being held by the US in conditions similar to Abu Ghraib? I'd wager that it is far more than the 25 or however many hostages have been held by those "little hitlers"

Abu Ghraib is a far larger story than a terrorist group taking hostages, because it is perpetuated by a nation in direct violation of international law. Even if you think the UN is some pansy-pinko-liberal-corrupt-food-for-oil-whatever organisation what happened at Abu Ghraib is an affront to the ideals America was founded on.

HailTheLeaf said:

thats funny that you think that's funny. these bastards want to convert or kill the whole world. that's why they kill their own people....for cooperating with the'infidels'. theyd kill to get the opportunity to kill you, and if you don't think so, you're lying to yourself and are blinded by your hatred for Bush and the U.S.

hungta‘bleed said:

no, it's funny that you don't see that we're doing the same exact thing, on a much, much larger scale, and that the majority of these people who hate us, do so because of what our elected leaders/military have done to them. If they want to kill me, that's their problem, I never hurt them, have no ill will toward them, I'm against those that started this shit, so why would I want to kill them or anyone else just because they want to kill me? What is that going to solve?

hungta‘bleed said:

no different than what you're doing. they kill their own people for cooperating with the US because they are fucking up their the perservation of their culture etc. just like when you obcessive trash liberals and leftists for not supporting the war. i'm not caught up in the paranoia of terrorism that has consumed you. that's what happens when you submit to the propaganda war you support. are you sure THEY are the lil hitlers? or are you scared of the shadow you cast?

That was nothing...I think we should do far worse than that...they aren't part of the Geneva convention and do not recognize civility in warfare. This should be a case of "fight fire with fire" not "we're the better country and need to act a certain way". Fuck that. Why aren't you up in arms about the beheadings of US, British and Australian citizens? It seems you have more allegiance for those extremists than the innocent...AND do not consider ANY muslim from that area "innocent" as they would dissect you in Allah's name just for your skin color and their assumption you may be a Christian...

"All's fair in love and war." - Francis Edward Smedley

That quote sums up what I think about this thread.

there is something about acting like a beast just cause someone acted like a beast to you.
I don't want to become like them so why support actions in my own culture that I don't like from their culture.

like jon stewart said "they out crazied us"

BSV@school said:


they want to change themselves to be all the same, we want to change them just enough so they'll stop killing people. just give them all what the typical middle class family has in america and there will be no need to deal with this shit after a generation or two.



what pro-war propaganda are you talking about? i've only seen anti-war propaganda.

You live a sad fucking life if this is how you truly feel.

BSV@school said:

you're really trying to say that trashing your political opponents verbally is the same as capturing them and cutting off their heads while they are alive and bound?

what do you all think war is about? its about who can kill more people on the other guys team. That's how we will win, by going over there and using those shiny bombs we pay for once a week when we get our paychecks. Don't forget who started it, never doubt who'll win it. That is of coarse, if this blame America-first-"we got what we deserve" sickness doesn't spread any further.

eddie said:

every insipid "our troops" segment on the news, and most of their human interest stories for that matter. every commercial about terror threats, or "buy a bunch of stuff, or the terrorists win." all the pro military sentiment at every sporting event, celebrity gala, etc.
watch anything Fox owned...Rupert Murdoch and his Reagan hard on are puke inducing...

Hungta‘bleed said:

you're almost there, man. just a few thoughts from distinguishing between anti-war and anti-american.

Hungta‘bleed said:

exactly. welcome to the left

Well that was unpleasant.

And any idiot knows that you can not torture, because it's completely inaffective. A prisoner under extreme torture will tell you anything you want to hear to make it stop, thus making the information unrealiable and negating the entire practice. John McCain told his captors the names of some football team instead of his commanders. It doesn't work and casting aside the Geneva convention will come back to bite our soldiers in the ass. The muslim fundamentalist assholes may not abide by the Geneva convention, but right now, a lot of countries do and we can't expect them to abide by a law that protects OUR guys if we don't do it ourselves. You're a fucking idiot if you don't realize this. That isn't partisan, it's just common sense.

The particular disgrace with Abu Ghraib is that the majority of the prisoners were taken without reason, proof or just cause. They were taken for having knives in their home. If that makes you a terrorist, than arrest me. For everyone one tortured terrorist in there (who personally, I feel no pity for, fuck em) there were 9 innocent people being tortured for information they didn't have.

That's our bad, the governments bad, and if being pissed about that makes someone a whining pussy, than so be it. But I'd rather be a pussy than ignorant.

the_reverend said:

Sorry rev but it's a matter of fighting fire with fire at this point, not who's the most "dignified"

All I was arguing was that we should show the beheadings. We should put them in the news and tally them just like we tally abu garib photos and dead soldiers to rally around our cause rather than flood every news orafice with shit that is going to rally people against our cause. I don't see the problem with rallying around the troops, after all, people don't hesitate to give support to the enemy.

DomesticTerror said:

Huh? I was talking about Al-Qaeda started it. What did you have a lapse in memory.

I see your point, and it's not an obsurd one. I think that had our administration been more honest (and the realist in me knows that some things get hidden from us for good reasons, I don't like it, but I understand) but when the gov't bold face lies about soooo many things, INCLUDING the reason for war in the first place, and they refuse to answer legitimate questions, or any questions for that matter, it is their own fault the country bears dissent for this war and the people running it. You know what I mean? People make mistakes, it's allowed. But there's OOPS mistakes, and there's dropping the ball completely mistakes, and worse yet, intentional "mistakes". This administration would rather drive a ninja sword into their guts in the middle of times square than admit they were at fault for anything. THAT is what landed us in the mistrust and non support we are in now.

The whole, DON'T QUESTION US OR YOU'RE WITH THE TERRORISTS bullshit that reminds me of the Sedition Act (an amendment to the Espionage Act of 1917). If you don't know what it is, look it up, I think you'll find it interesting.

The morale in the US is unfortunate, but it's not just a bunch of blaming liberal's faults we got here.

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918">

FYI

who fuckin cares what we do to them over there, fuck them and thier camels

and out the window goes the intelligent conversation.

maslayer said:

ya, let's kill everyone, that'll prove that we're soooo right...let's see who can render the earth unihabitable first, that'll show 'um...we can kill everyone in the middle east for the last remaining drops of oil, then invade Canada. We'll burn it all in our huge gas guzzling cars and power plants so we can all get to the mall in total comfort until global warming is irreversable, and wipe out everything! go USA! we're so smart...let's go shopping! woo hooo

hungta‘bleed said:

you're serious? this started way before 9-11 and the cole bombing.
yer not one of them "the terrorists do this because they hate our freedom" guys, are you? please tell me you didn't buy into that shit...

hungta‘bleed said:

ok, you know what else we can start keeping track of? the over 150,000 citizens of Iraq that are dead because of "our troops" and our government. And just what is "our cause" this week?

the_reverend said:

if you're thorough, it works. you just have to completely annihilate the entire religion and everyone who follows it.

hungta‘bleed said:

what the fuck does Al-Qaeda have to do with torture in Iraq or the war in general?

HailTheLeaf said:

Hmmm...still going on the oil bit huh? Hate to break it to you but if this was about oil, where is it? And as far as wiping "them " all out, I say wipe out all hypocritical zealots and extremists who use religion to justify their actions...religion is for the weak anyway...and if you're so anti-american 9at least that 's how it seems from your posts) move to france or something...cry elsewhere

maslayer said:

the oil is where it always is. in the hands of the oil companies, who control the production/lack there of to jack up the prices.

HailTheLeaf said:

maslayer said:

where is the oil? in Iraq, in oil fields being guarded by "our troops" with our tax dollars...where else would it be? it's not like they're over there restoring power or running water to the people, they're guarding oil fields and blowing people up.

DomesticTerror said:

i don't watch tv, and i'm not into sports all that much unless i'm playing.
I just go to class for 7 hours a day 5 days a week, being forced fed nothing but anti-war this and war for oil that. Even in fucking accounting they sneak it in. i'm so sick of it. I also read the boston globe and whatever is on google news at the time that is of interest to me.

as i said all i see is anti-war propaganda.


Its not that i'm for the war, don't get me wrong knowing what we know now we should have never of gone in the first place, but that's not the issue anymore, it's just another stupid strawman liberals like to use when they can't argue my points. The real question is where do we go from here. And if we can turn a mistake(given it wasn't on purposed which is up for debate) into a good thing then why not westernize Iraq? Because people will die and capitalists will make money off of it? you don't get peace and freedom from talking, unfortunately those ideals are bloodstained.

And there will always be someone making money off the person that’s down.

Life’s a bitch.

maslayer said:

critisizing americans is not anti american.
there is a difference between anti american and anti america.
americans, for the most part, are overweight, lazy, stupid, and easily led. and that's just the tip of the iceberg...telling someone to love it or leave it because they are disgusted with our flag waving "we're the best" meathead mentality is completely retarded (and very anti american)

that france remark was quite possibly the most moronic post i've seen this year. probably still will be in dec.

HailTheLeaf said:

they're doing both weither you believe it or not.

eddie said:

why isn't it an issue anymore? because time has gone by? eddie, accountability never becomes irrelevent, or it shouldn't.
and where do we go from here? we leave. shouldn't have been there in the first place. and before anyone argues the point that withdrawing now would just fuck things up worse, please understand that this is exactly why things have to change. we can't play "God's Bullies" and not expect repercussions.
and giving Iraq porno shops and tittie bars isn't what i call a good thing.

eddie said:

my pro-war propaganda comment was in reference to HTB's arguement.
Hey I'm all about giving them a middle class lifestyle, but I feel there can be simpler solutions, like say if we gave the people of afganistan clean drinking water, maybe they wouldn't feel so hopeless, resorting to a mentality that they have nothing to live for, subsequently they wouldn't hate us so much for being awesome.

hoser said:

liberal? there are only 3 conservatives in the whole book. i don't care what side you are on, that's bullshit; both sides have people who are fucking up this country.

eddie said:

bullshit. the fact that we were falsely led into their in the first place IS NOT irrellevent. agreed, we need to stay and make hte best of it. the point is if these guys fucked it up in the first place they need to a) be held accountable and b) voted the fuck out for screwing up and c) not given another chance to further fuck things up. they've proved time and time again they cannot handle the country. that's what america is, right? isn't that the conservative mantra? whoever does the best job gets it? get them the fuck out of office, they screwed up, give the other guys a chance.

anonymous said:

no, where the hell did you pull that out of your ass??

hungta‘bleed said:

my question to you is, how many beheadings happened before the war?

if this was about oil it would ahve been imported here right? has it? no...why send over troops to guard oil? that's such a retarded remark

and if you think they aren't doing any good in restoring power, utilities and hell democracy, you haven't read anything but liberal media who are just upset that we are there period and do NOT recognize the positives we HAVE done

and to domestic terror...have a hankey...you seem to be the biggest bleeding heart here. if you need a shoulder for that weeping you're doing I recommend craig's list as they have people who you can hire for that

__THeMoor__NLI said:

EXACTLY! This dude summed it all up. We should also make a mockery out of Bush, Monica style with charge of perjury for the countless times Bush said his "character and leadership" was what we needed for the 21st century.

maslayer said:


It's definately about Oil, why else is Haliburton over there? Have they done good? Yes, they've done some good, I'm not sure exactly what it is they've done but I'm sure they've made somebody's day over there. But they've made so many other things worse. Iraq is a fucking terrorist state, I don't need the liberal media's biased reports on the daily KIAs from insurgent bombings to back that up and I don't have to be an intellectual to know it wasn't like that before the war.

__THeMoor__NLI said:

That is my whole point.

maslayer said:

thank you for driving my point home. typical bovine american response.
sorry my opinion of your "go to france" comment offended you so much. I had no idea you were so fragile. that would explain why you're not over there gunning down "hypocritical religious zealots."

HailTheLeaf said:



Ummmmmm....again, where do you get your information from? The book contains chapters on Al Gore, Ted Kennedy....to name a few. These people aren't in any positions of power?? Try "Hailing the Knowledge" instead of the pipe and stop getting your ideals from a fake news show on Comedy Central. NEXT!!

'we're the terrorists you asshole, wake up."

Quoted from "Hail the Leaf" -RTTP user


Get out of my country you cunt. That's all I have to say. Fucking scumwhore.

wipe everyone out, start from scratch.


Nuclear Wasteland.


2 men enter, 1 man leaves.

Hey, Hail the Leaf.....

You are the exact reason why a woman will never, ever, ever, ever, ever be a President in this country. You represent your gender. Do you think that your weak, whiny, mis-informed ass makes your gender look good as a whole? My answer=NO.

I don't give a shit if you are pretty, tall, have a great ass, or any other non-sensical quality. I won't kiss your ass because you are a woman.

Your ideologies have very obviously been polluted by that of a college campus and/or professor. I suggest that you begin scanning all media outlets before spewing your Liberal poison all over the web. We get enough of said poison from all of the other media outlets. Leave this one alone and start utilizing media outlets that don't include ads for body piercings and "singles looking for love."

The rest of this great country that I personally served believes in "majority rule", which is the basis for Democracy. Of course there will always be the "10%" that just don't fucking get it. If you are so fucking smart....get rid of your 20 piercings, lose the gay hair dye, dump the tattoo fettish and get your ass in office........

Until that time.....SHUT YOUR FUCKING CUM DUMPSTER OF A MOUTH.

Hosah is on FIIIYYAHHHH!

DomesticTerror said:


LOL...no more fragile than you...and if laws weren't in the way I and many others would be in arms but aas such is not the case...hey...what's that noise...sniffiling?? are you crying??

I know man.....it just pisses me off.

It's not even that she's a Liberal. I respect a lot of people that I consider Liberals, and their opinions.

I just get pissed when I know damned well that I'm conversing with the kind of person that given the circumstances, would bitch about anything that rubbed them wrong, regardless of the subjects level of importance. I fucking hate ignorance. Unless an argument has factual substance, instead of nothing but hate filled arrogance, I try desperately to ignore it. This time, I have found her contemptuous horse shit to be nothing short of the latter: Horseshit in it's purest form. This is the same type of person that will whine when her preferred political party loses any race and then wonders, "Why?" I for one, am fed up with the Political rants and fucking name-calling puke that has saturated the past 6 years of this Presidency. Republicans vs. Liberals vs. Democrats vs. Neo-cons.....fucking sick of it all. I blew a gasket. My bad.....I am as weak as the next person. I applaud her strength in voice, but am dismayed by her unwillingness to see any other side. I suppose that I am being hypocritical as I have the same weakness for my reactions to utter idiocy.....

I need another drink.....

Hail The Leaf......I'm voting you off the island. I'm sure that I'd get voted off too....so I'll see you wherever it is that contestants go after they've been voted off the island.

My fucking head hurts.....

I'm going to pour myself another Old Crow and Coke. 3 ice cubes, stir with a spoon. Huhuhuhuhuhuh, I said, "spoon."

I'm enjoying a yuppy Belgian White Blue Moon.
Hoser, we've been down this road before. All I'll say is I think she and others have presented some facts here, and I think it's bullshit to discredit some of them solely cause they were on the net. But whatever, dualisms a bitch!
Good talk though people!

maslayer said:

not following ya. i said you made a retarded post, and you came back crying and name calling like a child, which helped prove my point about low watt patriotism. Don't you have kids? Shouldn't you be setting an example for their behavior, not following theirs?

btw, what laws are you referring to?

Name calling? what name did I call you?? Also, I just said you were crying because the US flexed on a torturous dictator. BTW,...funnt how no one has yet mentioned the terro cells and al-Quaida operatives we have disrupted, captured or killed...why is that? For that reason alone makes it worthwhile under ANY pretense...and that's what I teach my kids...to take a stand for what's right not what's popular

maslayer said:

so you meant this as either a valid point or a compliment? i thought you were just being childish.
i must not be grasping the context *sarcasm*

FUCK THE MIDDLE EAST ALL OF IT

When that meteor comes... or the "apocalypse"... or the sun crashes into the Earth.. or whatever! I will so be on my roof, drinking a 40 of IBC root beer and cheering it on. Humans in general don't deserve to live :p

Not to lighten things up or anything :]

You wanna lighten shit up?!

Ok, smell my penis and balls.

ew I'd rather give myself papercuts on my eyeballs hehehe no offense!! :p

wow....
WE are the terrorists?

And this whole time weve been looking abroad....while all along weve been right here under our own noses.
Crazy.

Stupid people. Stupid, stupid people.

Wait!!!!
If we are the terrorists, then why dont I have a dish rag on my head, and stink like urine?

Stormtroopers Of Death

All I'm gonna say.

S.E.O.D!!!!!!

MikeGore said:

hey guys if you don't like it here you should move to france or better yet bsr. mmmmkay.

SEC. 802. DEFINITION OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM.

(a) DOMESTIC TERRORISM DEFINED- Section 2331 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) in paragraph (1)(B)(iii), by striking \'by assassination or kidnapping' and inserting \'by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping';

(2) in paragraph (3), by striking \'and';

(3) in paragraph (4), by striking the period at the end and inserting \'; and'; and

(4) by adding at the end the following:

\'(5) the term \'domestic terrorism' means activities that--

\'(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

\'(B) appear to be intended--

\'(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

\'(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

\'(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

\'(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.'.

(b) CONFORMING AMENDMENT- Section 3077(1) of title 18, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:

\'(1) \'act of terrorism' means an act of domestic or international terrorism as defined in section 2331;'.

go back to bed america, nothing to see here

So aside from blind political allegiance what makes you guys think this administration will not or is not abusing its powers in wiretapping and torturing innocent people?

And as for the supposed liberal media anti-war bia, the media has only recently begun to question the current administration's actions, if you remember the lead-up to the war in Iraq there was very little questions from the media on our reason for going to war. The reason why there are so many "negative" stories is the fact that it is the journalist's responsibility to cover newsworthy events and issues that would otherwise go uncovered.

Yeah it's great that some US soldiers built a school or gave some Iraqi kids candy but it is not news when civilians and soldiers are being blown up, tortured, and beheaded. Covering these negative events isn't liberal media bias, it's simple journalism, and journalists are expected to cover such atrocities regardless of who is in the White House (It sure was great that the liberal media held off on covering those things in Vietnam when LBJ was in power wasn't it? And wasn't it grand when the liberal media ran only puff pieces on how great Clinton was for the entire 8 years under Clinton?) And if you're sick and tired of all these "negative" stories, tough shit. It's your war, you're paying for it. Now take it all in, not just the good parts that make you feel like we're getting revenge or a great country, and remember that it isn't all about sticking an American flag atop a pile of sand niggers.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
those are some good points people.

DomesticTerror said:


certainly not name calling...matbe you need to learn how to distinguish name calling and sarcastic phrases before commenting on politics...

BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:

It's not?

hungta‘bleed said:

Al-Qaeda was not in Iraq. Al-Qaeda was why we invaded Afghanistan. Or did you forget about that little war? Bush has apparantly forgotten about it. Osama is still running around, a free man. You never hear Bush ever mention him anymore. Gee, its almost like this war was never really about Al-Qaeda at all....

BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:


Extremely good points.

I do consider myself mostly liberal, but I also try to see both sides of everything because I don't trust any one group to tell the truth all the time. ALL parties in this country will dress things up to make their case, I think the most critical and tragic lies come from fanatical conservatives, but that doesn't excuse it from any other side.

Brushing off every story you don't want to hear as "liberal media crap" or whatever just displays your ignorance and your hand in the one-sidedness you're so vehemently blaming on liberals. The stories HTL has brought up since I started coming here regularly are all legit news stories, I read the newspaper, different papers, every day. She's not inventing some conspiracy theory bullshit from out of her ass, it's real news. I don't always agree that the way she says some things is the BEST way to say or look at it, but she's got every right to be pissed off and of course if you don't like what she's got to say, don't read it. I don't like what some of you say but I like opinions and always consider them, even if I think the person displaying them has their head firmly lodged in their anal canal.

That all said...I was wondering about something today. WHY are these photos being released NOW? At this already rocky, sensitive time, post-Danish cartoons? Doesn't it seem either wildly idiotic/irresponsible or antagonistic to release them now, years after they were taken? I have no ideas on who to blame for it, but it stuck me as weird today while I was reading about it. Granted WE didn't make the cartoons but the heat is still seeming to come down on us as part of the "western" world. With all the riots and murders going on against the west, why fuel the fire by releasing this shit now? Any ideas?

Who benefits from it?

Josh_Martin said:


Well Bush doesn't know where he is...honestly he just doesn't give it much thought...remember?

maslayer said:

my point is (apparently i must spell it out for you) that you intended it to be derogatory. instead of actually getting into why i thought your comment was moronic, or defending it, you went for the crying bleeding heart and tissues shit, because that's all you had.
whatever, you've already established that you are an idiot in these matters. disciple lost, next subject...

now who's name calling? guess that's all YOU got...here's one for you...

a liberal is someone who pisses on your show and tells you its raining...wolves in sheeps clothing. Sure the heart's in the right place but certainly far from practical.

Let me ask you...why didn;t Clinton take Osama when he has the chance when the first world trade attack happened? Why wasn't Clinton on trial for the secrets that were "misplaced" into China's hands through HIS administration? lewinsky was the best thing tat happened to him because it diverted attention from these FACTS...at least BUSH stands up there, for better or worse, and tries to get it done...

awaiting your (feeble) response

I feel sorry for Rich's kid.

that chinese secret thing is nothing in comparision to the dozen or so pending investigations revolving around the administration and other neo cons in washington. maybe if commie nixon didn't feel like giving most our jobs to them, we won't be doing selling secrets for cash.

Speaking of Nixon, that's a good reference point for just how liberal Bernard Goldberg is.

BUT I FORGOT! HOSER READ THE BOOK JACKET AND IT SAID HE'S A LIBERAL SO HE MUST BE!

You know who really thinks Clinton did a shitty job responding to the first WTC attack? Ramzi Yousef. Go have a spirited exchange with him about how shitty Clinton was at fighting terrorism. I'll even give you his mailing address.

USP FLORENCE ADMAX
U.S. PENITENTIARY
PO BOX 8500
FLORENCE, CO 81226

You'd better hurry he's only got consecutive life sentences to serve.

If Monica was the best thing that happened to Clinton, then the Republicans were fuckin idiots to bring a case against him and not know how to finish the job. Fuck, if they're was more credible evidence they shoulda actually done something about it, instead of choosing another losing war to lose. The whole china thing is so blown out of porportion. We can't even find them with our satellites, yesterday an indepent interest group bought new photos showing a storage site in an underground sub tunnel on the coast of china. I don't think that's clinton's fault, more like our gov's incompetence, failed leadership to do it right. again!

You can also reach Omar Abdel-Rahman at the same address and get his feelings on Clinton's anti-terrorism policy.

HailTheLeaf said:

HAVE YOU NOT YET FIGURED OUT YET
DEMOCRACY IS A JOKE
AND IT'S A JOKE ON YOU?

WITH MORONS VOTING,
YOU LOSE.
EVERY TIME.
GUARANTEED.

There are still some questions for conservatives to answer on here, come on guys keep up your end of the deal!
HTB, how many beheadings happened before March 2003?

You have probably already heard, but over the weekend Dick Cheney shot
a Texas lawyer in the face while they were out on a hunting trip. What
you probably don't know, is that last night Cheney snuck into the
man's hospital room and finished the job.

With his close friend Satan by his side, Cheney easily snuck past
hospital security and unloaded another 24 rounds into Harry
Whittington's face and body. Then he and Satan rolled around in, and
lapped up, the bloody remains of the 78 year old man. After a quick
game of 'Organ Fight' (which is exactly like a food fight, but with
human organs), Cheney and the Devil became bored and moved on to the
next room.

There, they found a 13 year old boy recovering from a car accident.
Cheney had run out of buckshot, but that didn't prevent him from going
apeshit on the boy: bludgeoning him with the butt of the gun, and
torturing him with hospital equipment. Cheney and Satan then invited
in a couple of nurses to join them in a full on blood orgy. By
'invited' I mean he hypnotized them with his evil powers (Cheney, not
Satan).

After they all had their fill of sucking, fucking, fingering the boy's
wounds, and using his IV drip to spray down the nurses for a wet
t-shirt contest: they decided to eat the boy. And as the night drew to
a close, Cheney and the Devil slaughtered the nurses, and dumped them
into the hospital's incinerator.

They rounded out the evening by disemboweling a stripper; raping a
puppy; beating an old guy to death with his own colostomy bag; putting
a baby in a blender to feed it to another baby; and shitting on a
stack of bibles: or as the Vice President would describe it, "the
usual".

Laura Bush could not attend, but it was reported that she was
delighted by the pictures that Cheney e-mailed to her. You may not
have heard about any of this. But that's only because the Jews
control the media, and Dick Cheney controls the Jews.

THERE ARE NO CONSERVATIVES LEFT
ONLY NEO-CONS

DON'T BLAME THE JEWS/NEGROES
BLAME DEMOCRACY
DEMOCRACY PICKS COTTON

LOL DEMOCRACY IS FOR UNDERMEN!111ONEONE!111 KILL TEH UNDERM,AN!1141252

shut up.

THERE IS GOOD EXAMPLE OF UNDERMAN NOW ^^^^

maslayer said:

wow, get a freaking clue man....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm

Hoser said:

Al Gore was never even sworn in as President, where's his power? his political balls were cut off, some big threat he is..what has he done lately to ruin people's lives? Ted Kennedy? oh yeah, he's really fucking this country up right now...besides, they're both douchebags.

BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:

BornSoVile said:

yeah, I finally figured out which button to push to make him jump...unfortunately I can't stop laughing long enough to actually reply to his intelligent responses...

I leave this post with this...liberalism is the downfall of this country plain and simple...nothing good comes of it or came from it. As as hypocritcal republicans are in your eyes, liberals are far worse...enough of politics...I got nothing against anyone personally...just their politics...*S*...back to the metal...

maslayer said:

WHEN YOU ARGUE WITH THOSE WHO CANNOT UNDERSTAND YOUR LOGIC, NOTHING IS ACHIEVED.

UNLESS YOU'RE A TROLL.

BestialOnslaught said:

and i feel bad for your parents...

I am one thing...to bring my child into discussion in negative fashion is quite another

I FEEL SORRY FOR CLINTON'S KID
NOT BECAUSE SHE'S CLINTON'S KID
BUT BECAUSE SHE IS QUITE WEIRD-LOOKING

maslayer said:

I'm just saying, growing up in a household with an ignorant flag-sucking Republican is bad enough as it is without the AVERSE SEFIRA fandom in the mix.

flag sucking?? and ignorant?? As I recall you were the one who interviewed me for your paper...must have something to offer...

Hey, I'm just trying to preserve the level of discourse you brought into this thread, no need to take this so literally!

maslayer said:

maslayer said:

maslayer said:

i am done...no use in trying to discuss different opinions without it getting out of hand (possibly) and have it escalate...I'm done...back to metal...

BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:

feeble response:
We were never offered Bin Laden. The Sudanese CLAIMED they offered him, that is all. Considering the head of the Sudanese govt was once business partners with Bin Laden, you may want to question the merit of that claim.
Later attempts to capture Bin Laden were pretty much hindered due to the fact that the CIA and White House were going back and forth about capture and assassination. Both sides were unsure what would be considered legal.
What does clinton have to do with this thread, or this current administration, btw?

you still haven't answered my question...

DomesticTerror said:

...but i guess you're gone.
Well I'll be damned... a republican with an exit strategy!

I think the majority of people who think there's a "liberal media" do not understand the basic ditinction between journalists and opinion columnists.

Something printed on the op-ed page doesn't become news on the virtue of being in the paper, it's simply an opinion. Actual news stories are run by numerous copyeditors who will cross out anything that could possibly be seen as politically charged. So much for that liberal media.

Bob, these are the same people who actually believe O'Reilly when he says "I'm not a republican, I'm independant!"

BestialOnslaught said:


no offense to Rich, but this has to be the funniest post i have ever read!

Honestly, I think anyone who goes over to iraq that is american at this point in time deserves to get their fucking head cut off. What would you do if a bunch of fucking people invaded your country tried controlling your streets. Would you say "yes sir,do what you want" or would you pull out a gun and start shooting at people. It's been obvious since the start they dont want us there. So stop trying to be a hero or make money in a place that is hostile and arent pussies and will cut your fucking head off if you fuck with them. Id do the same if it happened to us.

BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:

because sean hannity says so

DomesticTerror said:

you're band is awesome.

thanks! looking forward to seeing yours!

DomesticTerror said:


we're terrible.

you are some sick son of abitch ...... you are already killing the civilians already killing the children already fucking hell's creaturs ....... you are invade them .. killing them on them own lands ... fuck you .you son of abitch .. who is the only country which used the atomic bomb .. the answer is you mads americans .... who want to control the world ..answer is you .... who want the oil who want to steal it ... strange ..still you ...
how ever you are some crazy son of bitch

ummmmm....hahahahahahahahahaha

rev... whats the guys ip

I think there was a valid point there......

anonymous said:

praise be to allah, right?
go eat a diseased covered dick, fag.