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returntothepit >> discuss >> Let's fuck the underdogs... Russian website sells our music without our permission, or paying us royalties by DreamingInExile on Jan 10,2006 12:51pm
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toggletoggle post by DreamingInExile   at Jan 10,2006 12:51pm edited Jan 10,2006 2:16pm
So, Dan got a google alert for Shroud of Bereavement today, and he contained a link to a place to buy our CD ...Of Ages, IN ITS ENTIRETY online as .mp3's for $0.99. along with the site that he got the link in the google alert for, I also found another site that has the CD for $0.79 as mp3's.

We are not seeing a penny of royalties for this, and it's TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!

Dan's pissed, as am I, and I'm sure the rest of the band will be ready to kill once they catch wind of this.

not only that, but they stole a picture from Return to the Pit on one of the sites so they could post a picture of us

I'm preparing a cease and dessist letter to send to both websites.

here's the link that has aaron's picture on it: http://www.mp3sugar.com/shroud-of-bereavement-s4907/

and here's the one that Dan got the google alert for:
http://mp3dir.crimea.ua/Shroud_Of_Bereavement.html

It's all based out of Russia, so I'm not sure if there is a whole lot we can do about it. Anyone have any legal advice?

On top of that, all you local bands that have released anything, you may too want to look for your stuff and see if your shit is being sold royalty free without your consent.

FUCK THIS SHIT!!!



toggletoggle post by mark fucking richards at Jan 10,2006 1:51pm
that is pretty fucked up; i don't care about giving songs away for free for promotional purposes, but the principle that someone's making money off of you without consent is bull shit.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 10,2006 1:54pm
god damn, I need to get in on that.

"in russia, internet downloads you"



toggletoggle post by DreamingInExile   at Jan 10,2006 1:59pm
mark fucking richards said:
that is pretty fucked up; i don't care about giving songs away for free for promotional purposes, but the principle that someone's making money off of you without consent is bull shit.


exactly. free promotional downloads or samplers are fine, but when someone is cashing in on something someone else spent their time in creating.




toggletoggle post by the_taste_of_cigarettes  at Jan 10,2006 2:01pm
what's a google alert?



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 10,2006 2:02pm
first off, i recommend all local bands check the site and make sure they aren't doing the same thing to you...

strength in numbers..

ps: imho i'd change the title, at least edit it to sort of explain what's happening so other bands will read and check out their band...



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 10,2006 2:03pm
change the title to anal warts



toggletoggle post by mr miller at Jan 10,2006 2:11pm
been telling dan for years now,,do it cause you love it,and GIVE it away!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 10,2006 2:12pm
the subject is still anal warts, right?



toggletoggle post by DreamingInExile   at Jan 10,2006 2:15pm
succubus said:
ps: imho i'd change the title, at least edit it to sort of explain what's happening so other bands will read and check out their band...


good point Carina, I edited the title

P.S. Carina, get in touch with me I need to discuss some things with you.



toggletoggle post by the_taste_of_cigarettes  at Jan 10,2006 2:19pm
the_taste_of_cigarettes said:
what's a google alert?





toggletoggle post by DreamingInExile   at Jan 10,2006 2:21pm
the_taste_of_cigarettes said:
the_taste_of_cigarettes said:
what's a google alert?




it's something google sends out and lets you know what the popular search terms are to find your website address, along with other things that come up when you search, say: Shroud of Bereavement



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 10,2006 2:24pm



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 10,2006 2:32pm
hi! I'm at work now but i'm done at 4
email me carina@ defyunlearn . com
i won't be able to check email for a bit but i'll get back to you tonight!



toggletoggle post by DreamingInExile   at Jan 10,2006 2:32pm
the internet sucks...



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 10,2006 2:32pm
aaron.,..whoah what? are they charging to listen to your show too?



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Jan 10,2006 2:33pm
hmmm
http://www.last.fm/music/Dour+cursiva/_/old+glory+hole

I'm shocked that the one downloadable song we have up from what we recorded just last month is up....

however, I'm offended that only one person has listened?

I don't know...this is weird.



toggletoggle post by the_taste_of_cigarettes  at Jan 10,2006 2:36pm
only one person has downloaded it

it goes for the times people play it from iTunes I believe



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 10,2006 2:36pm
wait wait...lastfm doesn't appear to charge...it's the top ones posted by shroud



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 10,2006 2:39pm
here's the link:
http://www.mp3sugar.com/search.dhtml?select=artist&q=taste+of+silver
i checked for Dour Coursiva, Porphyria and Taste of silver under artist and nothing comes up



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 10,2006 2:40pm
haha the url still has the band name from my last search here:
http://www.mp3sugar.com/search.dhtml



toggletoggle post by CNV at Jan 10,2006 2:55pm
my band is on there



toggletoggle post by nate nli at Jan 10,2006 3:04pm
I've found Leukorrhea on a ton of these overseas sites that are charging people for the downloads. I've e-mailed them all and got no response. If anyone hears from these places let me know because I would like to file a cease and desist as well. Its bullshit.



toggletoggle post by cav at Jan 10,2006 3:15pm
did they just steal the songs from peoples myspace sites??? this is wicked bs



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 10,2006 3:18pm
post the url
make a list in here and i'll see what i can do...
please post the URL and your band name

thanks



toggletoggle post by Troll at Jan 10,2006 3:28pm
Crazy Thread!
Thats bullshit eh?!
I know that Dan puts his blood and soul into his music...
..If anyone should benefit from it it should be him!

Damn Russian's!!!! I thought the cold war was over!



toggletoggle post by Troll at Jan 10,2006 3:36pm
This is probably how Metallica felt about there music except they were already rich! LOL!

Bummer guys...It's like takin' food right out of your baby's mouth.



toggletoggle post by nate nli at Jan 10,2006 4:02pm
It's not songs from myspace, it's all the songs from every full length and split cd we've released. When I get home ill paste the url's Carina. Thanks.



toggletoggle post by DreamingInExile   at Jan 10,2006 4:20pm
Troll said:
I know that Dan puts his blood and soul into his music...


I see that every day working with him, but, it's bullshit for ANY of us to have this going on. it's not like we make millions, or even any money at all (I think one if the last shows we played the 7 of us had to split like $20...



toggletoggle post by darkenedsoul   at Jan 10,2006 4:21pm
Find the IP address of the site(s) in question, go to the ARIN/WhoIs database and find out who the administrator is for that network/addresses and contact them that way. It's one way to look up the assholes and put pressure on them as well.



toggletoggle post by the_taste_of_cigarettes  at Jan 10,2006 5:16pm
succubus said:
here's the link:
http://www.mp3sugar.com/search.dhtml?select=artist&q=taste+of+silver
i checked for Dour Coursiva, Porphyria and Taste of silver under artist and nothing comes up



you have commited the greatest of all sins, Carina. You got our name wrong.

The Taste of Silver comes up with 41 recent listeners



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 10,2006 5:19pm
umm what?
i searched ARTIST and you don't need to enter every word....but i did just for you and nothing comes up
http://www.mp3sugar.com/search.dhtml?select=artist&q=the+taste+of+silver



toggletoggle post by Nate   at Jan 10,2006 7:43pm



toggletoggle post by Nate   at Jan 10,2006 7:45pm



toggletoggle post by the_taste_of_cigarettes  at Jan 10,2006 8:29pm
I found it:

http://www.last.fm/music/The+Taste+Of+Silver

I bet it's case sensitive? or the search function eats a rabid dick?


Either way, I owe you an apology Carina. You're right: if it's a search function, you need not include common words like "the" "a" or "an" cause they can bog down the search time.



toggletoggle post by Nate   at Jan 10,2006 8:33pm
thanks to TOC I found...

http://www.last.fm/music/Leukorrhea



toggletoggle post by Al Ravage at Jan 10,2006 8:58pm
People are going to make money off you if they can. At some point there is nothing you can do... technology occasionally gets out of control and kicks capitalism in the nuts before it is whipped back into line. Just be happy someone is willing to pay to listen to you.



toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Jan 11,2006 12:52am



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 11,2006 8:06am
you guys keep posting lastfm links but that site doesn't charge



toggletoggle post by Arthur_ATD   at Jan 11,2006 8:25am
i guess im lucky my bands just starting out, we're not cool enough for russia to rip us off yet, so thats good.



toggletoggle post by nate   at Jan 11,2006 8:26am
The lastfm doesn't but delit and the other .ru ones do.



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jan 11,2006 10:43am
Did you publish your music? Russian websites might not be under the same jurisdiction as American laws regarding the copyright of music. However, if their site is hosted from a company that is, then you might be able to contact their server and get them shutdown that way or threaten to sue.



toggletoggle post by hutch  at Jan 11,2006 10:47am
how much does lars look like paul mcCartney with long hair?



toggletoggle post by Dissector   at Jan 11,2006 9:33pm
Hahaha yes Dissector is on one of those sites!



toggletoggle post by HungTa'Bleed at Jan 11,2006 9:37pm
In the wake of WWII we should have just gone with Gen. Patton's hunch and picked a fight with them damn Russians while we were still over there. You can never trust a Commie.



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