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returntothepit >> discuss >> the phenom that is Pillorys drummer by Jesus_Slaves on Jun 30,2005 10:32am
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toggletoggle post by Jesus_Slaves  at Jun 30,2005 10:32am
i didnt think it was humanly possible to move that fast. i've never seen a person move like that. not to mention the rest of the band kept up with him. last night was a sick show. too bad Despised Icon didnt show, but the people who went and stayed got a damn good show. thanks to everyone who checked us out.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Jun 30,2005 10:34am edited Jun 30,2005 11:44am
Yes, Derek (sorry, meant Darren) is good...and I love what he's done with Burn in Silence's stuff..love it. See Pillory and BiS locally in front of small crowds while you can.



toggletoggle post by Anthony nli at Jun 30,2005 11:08am
brian_dc said:
Yes, Derek is good...and I love what he's done with Burn in Silence's stuff..love it. See Pillory and BiS locally in front of small crowds while you can.


Darren, not Derek




toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Jun 30,2005 11:43am
shit, and I knew that...it's my day off!



toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Jun 30,2005 4:00pm
The drummer for GORATORY is much much better.



toggletoggle post by denis at Jun 30,2005 4:04pm
yeah hes incredible. i came a little late, but i was also really impressed with the drummer from tyag, it was my first time seeing them with the new lineup. excellent additions. great show all around.



toggletoggle post by KeithMutiny  at Jun 30,2005 4:05pm
BornSoVile said:
The drummer for GORATORY is much much better.





toggletoggle post by powerkok   at Jun 30,2005 4:39pm
Ive never seen Pillory but Ive dld their mp3s and ya that guy is a fucking madman.

Nick/LAZ is another drummer I would consider 'phenom'



toggletoggle post by largefreakatzero at Jun 30,2005 4:43pm
powerkok said:
Nick/LAZ is another drummer I would consider 'phenom'


Yeah, but don't let him know that -- he's already getting a big head and complaining about his goddamn triggers, drum sound, etc.



toggletoggle post by powerkok   at Jun 30,2005 5:00pm
they need a whole new set. period.
Those things are utter ass.
Which I dont understand, because they are decent drums. They just sound fuckin horrible.
Im sure the 'sunlite' bass head dosent help.



toggletoggle post by whiskey_weed_and_women  at Jun 30,2005 6:01pm
KeithMutiny said:
BornSoVile said:
The drummer for GORATORY is much much better.







toggletoggle post by ArrowHead nli at Jun 30,2005 8:04pm
Good, great, awesome, whatever. The important part to remember is after back to back sets with 2 bands, that man's asscrack REEEEKS.

By the way, our drummer (Pillory) is WAY better than the guy in Goratory or Burn in Silence. Our's sings backup vocals TOO!




toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jun 30,2005 8:05pm
Anthony nli said:
brian_dc said:
Yes, Derek is good...and I love what he's done with Burn in Silence's stuff..love it. See Pillory and BiS locally in front of small crowds while you can.


Darren, not Derek





Stop posting. Forever.



toggletoggle post by SUBJUGATE   at Jun 30,2005 8:12pm
ArrowHead nli said:
Good, great, awesome, whatever. The important part to remember is after back to back sets with 2 bands, that man's asscrack REEEEKS.

By the way, our drummer (Pillory) is WAY better than the guy in Goratory or Burn in Silence. Our's sings backup vocals TOO!



keep your nose out of his ass after he plays then . . . . . . . . . . sorry couldn't pass that up



toggletoggle post by ArrowHead nli at Jun 30,2005 8:25pm
SUBJUGATE said:

keep your nose out of his ass after he plays


no no no, we're talking across the ROOM smell. Not rimjob smell.




toggletoggle post by SUBJUGATE   at Jun 30,2005 8:28pm
hahaha nice get him some baby wipes for Xmas



toggletoggle post by menstrual_sweatpants_disco   at Jun 30,2005 8:42pm
ArrowHead nli said:
By the way, our drummer (Pillory) is WAY better than the guy in Goratory or Burn in Silence. Our's sings backup vocals TOO!


That guy from virulence was better.



toggletoggle post by SUBJUGATE   at Jun 30,2005 8:48pm
why you get over looked when so many bands have hit you up to play for them puzzles me



toggletoggle post by Hooker  at Jun 30,2005 8:59pm
we wanted him. but his asking price of $6,000 was a big steep.



toggletoggle post by SUBJUGATE   at Jun 30,2005 9:01pm
hahahaha thats a bargain, i have been in a band with him since i think 97



toggletoggle post by powerkok   at Jun 30,2005 9:03pm
Cuz nobody notices him, cuz Jim's always "OOOOOOH LOOOOOOK AT MEEEE OOOOOOH"


hahahahahaha



toggletoggle post by mOe_RK_in jersey at Jun 30,2005 9:05pm
like, omfg he totally blasts so fast LOLOLOLLLZZZ



toggletoggle post by SUBJUGATE   at Jun 30,2005 9:07pm
yea thats me


NOT!



toggletoggle post by powerkok   at Jun 30,2005 9:18pm
hahaha that was the whole point jim.
Jim is the cool quiet rocker.
Can I call you slim jim from now on?



toggletoggle post by ArrowHead nli at Jun 30,2005 9:20pm
menstrual_sweatpants_disco said:


That guy from virulence was better.


Is that another Darren reference, or are you talking about thier original drummer? That kid was one of my favorites of all time. I finally had to download Conflict Scenario because Chris wouldn't make me a copy. I loved virulence. Dormant Strains isn't quite as good, but Conflict is just awesome.






toggletoggle post by ArrowHead nli at Jun 30,2005 9:22pm
powerkok said:
Cuz nobody notices him,


Are you talking about the drummer in BOE? I can't even take my eyes off him, he's awesome. Saw him once with his side project, great rock drummer too.






toggletoggle post by Anthony nli at Jun 30,2005 9:25pm
Hooker said:
Anthony nli said:
brian_dc said:
Yes, Derek is good...and I love what he's done with Burn in Silence's stuff..love it. See Pillory and BiS locally in front of small crowds while you can.


Darren, not Derek





Stop posting. Forever.





It was definitely worth the five minutes it took to do that.



toggletoggle post by powerkok   at Jun 30,2005 9:57pm
ArrowHead nli said:
powerkok said:
Cuz nobody notices him,


Are you talking about the drummer in BOE? I can't even take my eyes off him, he's awesome. Saw him once with his side project, great rock drummer too.






does anybody read a whole thread before mumbling poop out they lips?

It was me poking fun at slim jim.



toggletoggle post by menstrual_sweatpants_disco   at Jun 30,2005 10:01pm
SUBJUGATE said:
why you get over looked when so many bands have hit you up to play for them puzzles me


shut up! what have you done!

ArrowHead nli said:
Are you talking about the drummer in BOE? I can't even take my eyes off him, he's awesome. Saw him once with his side project, great rock drummer too.


Thanks homie, I appreciate it.

ArrowHead nli said:
Is that another Darren reference, or are you talking about thier original drummer? That kid was one of my favorites of all time. I finally had to download Conflict Scenario because Chris wouldn't make me a copy. I loved virulence. Dormant Strains isn't quite as good, but Conflict is just awesome.


Yeah, it was a Darren reference. I wasn't even aware that they had another drummer in that band. If so, who played on which CDs? Virulence was awesome. Now that I think of it, I'm not sure which CD even came out first, A Conflict Scenario or Dormant Strains I always thought Dormant Strains was first.

Considering how much I like brutal DM, people always think I'm crazy for liking Pillory and Virulence more than the new Goratory



toggletoggle post by DEATH2ALL  at Jun 30,2005 11:24pm
whiskey_weed_and_women said:
KeithMutiny said:
BornSoVile said:
The drummer for GORATORY is much much better.






was



toggletoggle post by menstrual_sweatpants_disco   at Jun 30,2005 11:54pm
I did like goratory a lot more when you were in the band. Looking forward to seeing your new projects.



toggletoggle post by mOe_RK_in jersey at Jun 30,2005 11:56pm
Ditto



toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Jul 1,2005 12:55am
Jay's drumming had more heart and feeling, Darren is engineering measurements.



toggletoggle post by SUBJUGATE   at Jul 1,2005 6:40am
powerkok said:
hahaha that was the whole point jim.
Jim is the cool quiet rocker.
Can I call you slim jim from now on?


it's all good

i'm just very shy untill i get a guitar in my hands

if you have to but i think i would prefer just jim , j or aj



toggletoggle post by DEATH2ALL  at Jul 1,2005 8:17am
Thanks guys, can't wait to get this shit going. But I wasn't talking about me.



toggletoggle post by powerkok   at Jul 1,2005 9:26am
SUBJUGATE said:
powerkok said:
hahaha that was the whole point jim.
Jim is the cool quiet rocker.
Can I call you slim jim from now on?


it's all good

i'm just very shy untill i get a guitar in my hands

if you have to but i think i would prefer just jim , j or aj


Fair enough, pal.



toggletoggle post by SUBJUGATE   at Jul 1,2005 9:30am
cool



toggletoggle post by Pillory/Goratory/Burn in Silence Drummer at Jul 1,2005 11:39am
Jesus_Slaves said:
i didnt think it was humanly possible to move that fast. i've never seen a person move like that. not to mention the rest of the band kept up with him. last night was a sick show.





toggletoggle post by mOe_rk_in Jersey at Jul 1,2005 1:04pm
did you just quote a post thats just a compliment of you??
wow



toggletoggle post by KillerKadoogan   at Jul 1,2005 1:21pm
ahahahaha yea he did

i say we have a drum competition between me and darren.

WINNER TAKES ALL!



toggletoggle post by mOe_rk_in Jersey at Jul 1,2005 1:22pm
can i be the mystery 3rd opponent? I'll bring the hand percussion blasts!



toggletoggle post by KillerKadoogan   at Jul 1,2005 1:23pm
LET'S DO IT



toggletoggle post by ArrowHead nli at Jul 2,2005 1:24am
Darren didn't play on any of the virulence cd's. I forget the other drummers name, but that's him on the discs.



toggletoggle post by DEATH2ALL  at Jul 2,2005 6:20am
KillerKadoogan said: i say we have a drum competition between me and darren.

WINNER TAKES ALL!



do it. I wanna see that.



toggletoggle post by KillerKadoogan   at Jul 2,2005 11:10am
i'll blow darren out of the water.

Don't fuck with this:




toggletoggle post by BestialOnslaught  at Jul 2,2005 12:13pm
"the phenom that is Pillorys drummer "

I can't be the only one that thinks this is the gayest thread title EVER!



toggletoggle post by ArrowHead nli at Jul 2,2005 2:02pm
BestialOnslaught said:
"the phenom that is Pillorys drummer "

I can't be the only one that thinks this is the gayest thread title EVER!


No, that would be my thread titled "I just gave Joe Notcommon a blowjob". Now that thread was REALLY gay.




toggletoggle post by menstrual_sweatpants_disco   at Jul 2,2005 2:46pm
ArrowHead nli said:
Darren didn't play on any of the virulence cd's. I forget the other drummers name, but that's him on the discs.


WHAAAA? Woah... I got some really bad info then. And this info has been with me for years. Darren was in virulence though right? I'm looking at the metal-archives info for them. He just wasn't on any cds?



toggletoggle post by Paulll at Jul 2,2005 4:50pm
Virulence was the sickest band from mass. The drumming was sicker then pillory i think



toggletoggle post by ArrowHead nli at Jul 2,2005 5:06pm
Yeah. Darren joined Virulence after Dormant Strains. Thier other drummer moved to NY or something.



toggletoggle post by menstrual_sweatpants_disco   at Jul 2,2005 5:09pm
ahh, then my original joke still works kind of then I guess. haha. Is there anybody else in Pillory who was in Virulence?



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Jul 2,2005 7:12pm
chris was



toggletoggle post by DEATH2ALL  at Jul 2,2005 7:23pm
KillerKadoogan said:
i'll blow darren out of the water.

Don't fuck with this:



Hmmm? I can set this up @ my house, if Darren is up for it..........




toggletoggle post by cdan nli at Jul 2,2005 8:55pm
darren joined after the second CD "a conflict scenario" ...played some shows and helped write new material, which was never recorded.



toggletoggle post by KillerKadoogan   at Jul 3,2005 12:41pm
DEATH2ALL said:


Hmmm? I can set this up @ my house, if Darren is up for it..........




haha oh man that'd be sweet.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Jul 3,2005 1:36pm
darren is ridiculously good. definitely one of the best drummers around. how many bands is he in right now? 3? that's a hardworking drummer.



toggletoggle post by DEATH2ALL  at Jul 4,2005 6:31am
dreadkill said:
darren is ridiculously good. definitely one of the best drummers around. how many bands is he in right now? 3? that's a hardworking drummer.


No doubt....... But can he handle the devasting skills of Killer? When he blasts, it's like a f16 @ top speed. He's got a seat belt on his drum throne, to keep him from falling off! Kid wears a helmet to protect him from flying shrapnel when he hits the cymbals!



toggletoggle post by powerkok   at Jul 4,2005 9:03am
and when the cymbals fall over from his massive fisting.



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jul 4,2005 11:13am
ArrowHead nli said:
BestialOnslaught said:
"the phenom that is Pillorys drummer "

I can't be the only one that thinks this is the gayest thread title EVER!


No, that would be my thread titled "I just gave Joe Notcommon a blowjob". Now that thread was REALLY gay.



I didn't say anything, leave me out of this!



toggletoggle post by noone cares at Jul 4,2005 11:17am
Why is everyone kissing Darren's anything overinflated ego? He likes to play but he does a lot of shit for money. His ego is too big and he hasn't even made it big, stop kissing his ass. He's a cheap egomaniac who needs an attitude adjustment.



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jul 4,2005 11:19am
Why don't you adjust his attitude then?

Oh wait, you're a faggot, thats why.



toggletoggle post by KillerKadoogan   at Jul 4,2005 12:13pm
i wear a seatbelt and/or helmet at all times, really.



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Jul 4,2005 12:15pm
Amen, "noone cares"



toggletoggle post by BestialOnslaught  at Jul 4,2005 2:11pm
I, too, don't see the point of kissing someone's ass if they're gonna go the "drummer for hire" route.



toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Jul 4,2005 2:26pm
my last post on this, since my comment ruined Darren's night on Friday, allow my to clarify more....
I miss the days of going to see Goratory pratice every night in Framingham. I miss getting shitfaced and burning up while banging my head til I turned purple and dizzy. I miss seeing Jay, behind the kit, popping vics, drinking beer, with a cigarette hanging out his mouth. I miss the feeling of hearing Pig Fucker and Cream of Fetus and George Clinton for the first time, all the while, while Jay is incorporating his style into the song. That shit was real.
Darren is emmensly talented, I have never doubted that or shatted on it. It's incredibly different for me to see them write a song, with Darren writing everything on staff, on the computer around guitar tracks. TWO COMPLETLY DIFFERENT STYLES/APPROACHES to this. I'm not saying that one is better than the other nor am I criticizing styles and techniques. Darren is unreal.
There are two simple facts to me about this issue

Darren took Goratory to a new level.
I miss the old days.



toggletoggle post by ArrowHead nli at Jul 5,2005 12:35am
Food for thought: If Darren was doing what he does "for money", do you really think he'd be playing death metal? A full berklee education, Private instruction from Mangini, and a practice regimen that would give my blisters blisters, you think he couldn't pick up a gig with some top 40 band and build up a nice nest egg?

Darren is in three bands, all of whom he writes for, puts a shitload of work into, and is very professional about. He's not jumping on for a ride, he's putting all his effort into each project. Yes, if he can pick up a gig here or there recording, playing a show, or programming drums for some money, he's going to do it. The kid has no job, and is 100% dedicated to pushing his playing as far as he can. If a contractor picks up an extra job on the weekend would that make him a bad contractor? How about a cop picking up a detail shift?

Darren has yet to dick ANY band he's in over, and he has yet to ditch a band because something bigger and better came along. It gets pretty annoying hearing so many people bash the kid because he has the sheer audacity to be PROUD of what he can do. I think people are just having problems with the idea that someone with his skill is taking a different approach to music than they themselves would.

As for BornSoVile's comments, I have never seen Jay with Goratory, but I have both discs. I like the tunes on the new album a lot better, but after seeing Jay play with Compost Pile in Natick it's pretty obvious that BOTH of them are two of the best damned drummers in New England.




toggletoggle post by ArrowHead nli at Jul 5,2005 12:40am
noone cares said:
Why is everyone kissing Darren's anything overinflated ego? He likes to play but he does a lot of shit for money. His ego is too big and he hasn't even made it big, stop kissing his ass. He's a cheap egomaniac who needs an attitude adjustment.


Here, let me correct your grammar a bit:

"Why is everyone singing Darren's praises? Sure, he likes to play, but he also enjoys being able to pay his bills and eat food once in a while. He's proud of the friends and fans he's made, and he still has so much further he can go with it. He's a broke musician that loves doing what he does, and his pride can easily be mistaken for pomposity by the petty and narrow minded"

See that? If you pulled your head out of your ass you might realize that there's so many ways of seeing things, if you just take the time to try seeing them from someone elses point of view.






toggletoggle post by DEATH2ALL  at Jul 5,2005 12:36pm
Wow, this is a heated subject. I miss those daze too Josh! You really did turn purple!! Non stop head banging no matter what.



toggletoggle post by DEATH2ALL  at Jul 5,2005 12:48pm edited Jul 5,2005 12:50pm
ArrowHead nli said:
Food for thought: If Darren was doing what he does "for money", do you really think he'd be playing death metal? A full berklee education, Private instruction from Mangini, and a practice regimen that would give my blisters blisters, you think he couldn't pick up a gig with some top 40 band and build up a nice nest egg?

Darren is in three bands, all of whom he writes for, puts a shitload of work into, and is very professional about. He's not jumping on for a ride, he's putting all his effort into each project. Yes, if he can pick up a gig here or there recording, playing a show, or programming drums for some money, he's going to do it. The kid has no job, and is 100% dedicated to pushing his playing as far as he can. If a contractor picks up an extra job on the weekend would that make him a bad contractor? How about a cop picking up a detail shift?

Darren has yet to dick ANY band he's in over, and he has yet to ditch a band because something bigger and better came along. It gets pretty annoying hearing so many people bash the kid because he has the sheer audacity to be PROUD of what he can do. I think people are just having problems with the idea that someone with his skill is taking a different approach to music than they themselves would.

As for BornSoVile's comments, I have never seen Jay with Goratory, but I have both discs. I like the tunes on the new album a lot better, but after seeing Jay play with Compost Pile in Natick it's pretty obvious that BOTH of them are two of the best damned drummers in New England.



I agree with you & BornSoVile.... He's amazing. 2 totally different styles. He is dedicated to extreme metal. On the other hand, He went way out of his way to insult me in the last thread, created to praise Darrens tallent.



toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Jul 5,2005 5:02pm edited Jul 5,2005 5:02pm
Yeah, Darren "threw the first punch" with that comment a few months ago, something along the lines of "Jay had alot to learn about drumming", but that was relatively squashed at the time.



toggletoggle post by ArrowHead nli at Jul 5,2005 6:17pm
I don't know why Darren ever said that, but you're right. It was a pretty cocky thing to say. Knowing the amount of patience he's had with a shitty drummer like me (I'm always bugging him for tips and lessons) I really believe that it was more fueled by booze and misplaced humor than any real feelings towards Jay. I could be wrong, but I just don't see how he could be encouraging and patient with a hack drummer like me and turn around to insult a pro like Jay.



toggletoggle post by DEATH2ALL  at Jul 5,2005 6:50pm
I don't know if "threw the first punch", fits this scenario, but I think my point helps you get yours across. As far as why it was said...... It's the result of speach without thought. regardless, It was squashed right away. I'm neutral on the subject.



toggletoggle post by ArrowHead nli at Jul 5,2005 6:53pm
DEATH2ALL said:
It's the result of speach without thought.


Ha, messageboards tend to bring that out in everybody.




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