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Despite the make up audience and stated goal of aiming the presentation at people of religious faith, 95% or so of this is simply focused directly on stating the case for the "Pearl Harbor of the 21st Century" being facilitated or even engineered by high level government and business leaders as part of a means to expand the US's global empire.

To the h8erz: "... Whenever two or more people get together to do something illegal or immoral, that's a conspiracy. And if you've got an idea of what happened, you have a conspiracy theory. So, we all are believers in conspiracy theories and the official story about 9/11 is the MOTHER of all 9/11 conspiracy theories."

Proper Release Of Griffin In Madison

shut up and put out the split cd dammit!!!

Ya, all those towelheads were hired by the Bush admin to make more money.
Makes sense.-Me.






















not. (1988-Anthrax)

"... Whenever two or more people get together to do something illegal or immoral, that's a conspiracy. And if you've got an idea of what happened, you have a conspiracy theory. So, we all are believers in conspiracy theories and the official story about 9/11 is the MOTHER of all 9/11 conspiracy theories."

BestialOnslaught said:

shut the fuck up

seriously, thank you.

Bradness said:


Make me!

BestialOnslaught said:

pah-LEEZE!

yeah complicated scenarios that make no sense are always more attractive.

BestialOnslaught said:

Just turn off FOX news and read a book. The line isn't hard to draw.

From a former New Yorker. "All of New York City" is and has been "Ground Zero".

powerkok said:

http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_01/...bush___bin_laden_-_george_w__b.html

powerkok said:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0109/S00108.htm

powerkok said:

http://www.meta-religion.com/Secret_societ...bush_osama_bin_laden_connection.htm

As always, when the truth is inconvenient or uncomfortable, it will be ignored. But I think what they're talking about isn't the (entirely plausible) possibility that the attacks were directed by U.S. interests, but the fact that the actions of the U.S. government and American big business created a climate which made the attacks possible. Which is 100% true.

Oh, and let me go ahead and beat everyone to the punch and call myself a huge commie hippy terrorist-fellater, and announce my immediate intentions of moving to France. Enjoy your yellow ribbons and freedom fries, you Loyalist pantywaists.

word

Go whack off to Farenhiet 9/11, commies.

Even if any of this horse manure is true, wtf do you think you can do about it?

DestroyYouAlot said:

Your first idea there is very implausible. Directing the killing of a countries' own people for political or monetary gain is something terrorists, and communist dictators do.

And I dont think american businesses could have done much to make the climate less prone to attacks. Maybe a few could've paid more attention to whose hands their foreign investments were landing in. But yes the government could've done more. The US government seemingly had not been taking terrorist threats seriously for years prior to 911.

soloman said:

Why only communist dictators? Ever heard of a cheery little fella named Adolf Hitler? Anyway, go ahead and try to find a definition of "terrorist" that the U.S. doesn't fit like a glove.


ter·ror·ist (trr-st)
n.
One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.


ter·ror·ism (tr-rzm)
n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.



"Shock and awe", anyone?

no not just communist dictators. Hitler is a big one :P, but it's worth mentioning that individually both China’s Mao Zedong and Russia’s Joseph Stalin killed millions more people than Hilter ever did.

I dont equate military action with terrorism. That definition you have there is open enough to make the connection though. Here's one that's more appropriate:


terrorism

n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimindation or coercion or instilling fear
Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University



But regardless of the syntax used in dictionary definitions, i feel that there is a big difference in what the US military does, and what muslim extremists are doing.

soloman said:


Dammit, you're not supposed to argue reasonably, YELL AT ME, DAMMIT!


Seriously, I know the definition doesn't really prove anything - Always be wary of anyone who argues with a dictionary. I just bring it up to raise questions. It's perfectly valid to not equate the U.S. military and Muslim extremists, I guess, as long as you look at the actions of both with open eyes. I just feel that if the stated purpose of out actions is to depose governments (Baathists in Iraq) and intimidate political groups (for, example, Muslim fundamentalists or Saddam loyalists), then we need to stop bandying about the "T" word so freely.

powerkok said:

Why does the FACT that the Bush's have been business partners with the Bin-Ladens for decades make me a communist?

Why does the FACT that Bush got the Bin-Laden family safely out of the US and back to Saudi Arabia instead of detaining them and throwing them in a hole somewhere until they turn in Osama make me communist?

I was basically, just being a dink.
BUT!
yes, theres a but.
If what you say was true, and the W admin really did whatever it is youre arguing they did, then why shouldnt they have let the BinLaden family leave, since they didnt do it, and all?

ha ha. yeah its more fun to argue reasonably.

The "war on terror" is quite a broad thing, and throwing the "T" word around can seem useless. With something as serious as war we really need to question and think for ourselves. I hate war, but i know conflict will always be part of the human existence. On the smallest level, we argue with our housemates. On the highest, we have nations bombing each other. So yeah it is important to look at all sides with an open mind. The one thing i know for sure though, is that muslim extreme fundamentalists are the ones without the open mind. Don't wait for them to try and analyze it from a western perspective.

the world is fucked up place.

al quaeda should start a black metal band, they would be the scariest fucking band ever. because they would decapitate and chant ALLAH AKBAH over blastbeats and disonance and i would honestly shit my pants and cry.

I was not going to share this, but I guess I will...
Has anyone gave any thought to the level of security we as Americans are given, in comparison to that experienced during Pearl Harbor?

Weapons are still being brought onto planes, nothing changes.

The American morale has dropped and our military recruitment efforts are failing.

Searches are not being performed at customs check points.

We're paying increased taxes, being handed bullshit about terror level alerts and where is this money going?

As an American, I question the "war on terror" efforts. I am sure most of you have friends or family that have been sent over to the middle east. At this time, Nothing is being done with all of these thousands of troops.

As I can see the true root and concern at hand, is in fact "American Security".

dan. said:

hahaha best post of the day!

whoa thats a great idea. Corpse paint and turbans. Anyone on rttp got the guts to start this?

Im gonna pass on that one. I'm not into either!

COME ON GUYS


MORBID SAND STORM OF THE BLACKEST HATE?!!?!

soloman said:


A friend of a friend in Winnipeg had an extremist Islamic hardcore band called Intifada. They had songs about killing christians and bombing shit. Good times.

ramallah?

hahaha. accoring to this man:



there are a few crazy fanatical islamist rap groups but nobody has done a metal version. at this rate it should happen soon though!

So did anyone actually watch/listen to Prof. Griffin's presentation?

They wouldn't have put it on C-Span if he was a total crackpot....

no one watched, griffin must be sad....

Top

Once more can't hurt... Muahaha...

This thread is awesome and I suck cause I missed it earlier.

soloman said:

powerkok said:

no one's arguing that bin laden had nothing to do with this. The Bin Laden family and the bush family have been business parters for years through the carlyle group. that's just a plan fact. Osama is the black sheep of the fact...i really don't think the other bin laden's had anything to do with this...it would not be in their nest interest, as they are already all rich as fuck with nothing to gain and everything to lose.
What people are arguing is that our policies in the mideast and everywhere else for that matter caused this attack. for example: in the 1980's when Iran and Iraq were warring, Reagan sold weapons to Iran, then proceeded to turn around and secretly sell weapons to Iraq. he did this in order to stalemate the war to keep it going so that neither side won outright, causing who knows how many IRaqui and Iranian casualties. Osama bin Laden has been quoted as saying that this was when he turned against the united states, seeing the deception and terribleness of this act (he was buddy buddy with us until then-we supplied him and the taliban with weapons to fight russia when they invaded afganistan.)

For anyone spouting the business relations between Bush and the Bin Ladens should consider how many relatives Osama had. He had 50 or more siblings, and his father was an oil business Saudi (what a coinkadink). Almost noone in his family had spoken to or even heard from Osama for many years. To say that Bush's ties with the Bin Ladens makes him connected to Osama in a non-coincidental way is a very weak argument at best.

Also, when people spout off the fact that Bush hurried the Bin Ladens and other Saudi's out of America after 9/11, they completely ignore the facts surrounding this. First of all, to set the actual record straight, when there's an attack on a foreign country, and there's extreme unrest in the area, US diplomats are hurried out of the country to avoid hostage taking and scenarios of that sort. So the fact that Saudi officials were hurried out of the country (well after airspace reopened, I might add) isn't a big surprise. Also, when the Bin Ladens eventually left the country, airspace had already been reopened for at least a week. Now, one also has to realize the amount of violence and "retribution" that was happening to mulims in America immediately after 9/11. Imagine being in America on 9/12 wearing a Turban or, even worse, having the last name Bin Laden. I'd want to get out and back home as soon as possible myself if I were in that situation.

__THeMoor__ said:

Also a mistake. During this time, there were two rebellions in Afghanistan, involving local leaders in one team and then Osama and company in the other. We supplied the non-Islamofascists.

__THeMoor__ said:

Ya, I watched Farenheit 9/11 too, I know the background story.
I think it all boils down to, Politicians and Extremists are assholes.

fahrenheit 9/11 is only one of the many places all this stuff is cited. i only presented it all because it sounded like you were doubting that the stuff happened at all..

Fahreinheit 9/11 is a total crapfest.

Who am I to deny it? Like I have tabs on G-DUB or give a fuck enough.
All I know, is that defending or even giving the time to argue for any person that would rather see you gagging on your own blood with a huge gaping hole in yer neckal region, than try to listen to your reasoning, is worthless.

Watch the lecture before talking about this, instead of rehashing/rebuking theories that aren't even in it.

PatMeebles said:

what about the video of Osama at his son's wedding, praising the attack on the USS Cole. His mother and siblings were there too. This was 6 months before 9/11. And after the French press reported this, suddenly there's this anti-French BS in the U.S. what a coinkadink...
then the New Yorker reported that the Bin Laden family has not cut ties with Osama, and in fact has been funding him for years with his $30million.
after a few months of this stuff coming out and questions being asked, the Bin Laden family is asked to leave the Carlyle Group.
nothing shady there...but hey, you got your $300 check. Go to sleep.

I hate these cookie-cutter arguements where both sides throw completely fake uninformed facts they heard from a co-workers about 'The last time Osama talked to his familly' or 'Bush and Osama used to send chainletter Emails back and forth' and things of the sort as if it's unaliable fact.

Someone needs to post another dictionary quote as if it's an unfallible holy document and is completely correct and relevant to everything 100% of the time.

I'm going to make a sandwich. With Turkey in it. Faggot.

dread_104 said:

Links, please.

Woops, that was me

If you're sick of uninformed arguments, watch/listen to Professor Griffin's lecture.

If he makes me a sandwich with turkey than fine. Otherwise P-Griffy is going to haveto bite the bullet on this one.

The second I looked at the summary of the speech topics I thought of this.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

remember it's the good guys vs. the evil terrorist organization, not one and the same !

Is it possable to get one of those Cobra logos with the decepticon heads in it to emphasize the evil?

There we go.

Fuck that, Transformers is gay as hell compared to GI Joe... Cobra is all powerful, the Decepticons are just another crappy kiddy show group.

I'll cut chu meng.

Niccolai said:

those are some bad roaches.

you gonna wish i never cut you...

__THeMoor__ said:

your name just reminded me how awesome that fucking song is

i'm gonna cut you up so bad you gonna wish i didn't cut you up so bad

bobby darin tonight

SacreligionNLI said:

that's why it's my name; it's the best fucking song ever. period. i creamed my pants when they played it live on their last tour.

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