Cold Northern Vengeance and Cruelty Divine are really good bands but some or maybe half of those bands members call themselves racialists, and or have nazi beliefs I dont understand how these certain individuals can idolize pyschos like Hitler. I guess Im saying its too bad racism can been tied in with black metal from almost anywhere.

Drink beer and listen to Iron Maiden!

"Drink beer and listen to Iron Maiden"

post of the year! ... well, minus the drink beer part

actually, if you look at the history of black metal, there is a history of pro-facism and national socialist movements, especially in the early scandinavian scene where most people's ideas of black metal came from:

"Thankfully, much of Scandinavian black metal’s apparently racist ideology has shown itself to be merely a gimmick in many cases - another string to the bow of ultimate naughtiness. In other instances, fascist tendencies have either been brushed aside with vehement claims of being ‘non-political’ (Mayhem), or neutered with a bizarre barrage of mis-information (Darkthrone)." http://www.live4metal.com/ultimate-extremism.htm

Even today, there are Nationalist Black metal trends that are huge in Poland, Russian

"The ideological inclination of black metal remains disturbing to most and illegal in many countries. Yet it is not unique to black metal; as history shifted in the 1960s from a predominantly conservative society to a liberal society, thanks to the counterculture, and its effects were only felt with the children growing up in the 1980s, their response mirrors that of some who rejected the flower powery view of the politics and society. Among the thinkers and dissidents now coming back into favor are ecological fascists like Pentti Linkola and Theodore Kaczynski, as well as various stripes of nationalist and racial separatist leaders. (The Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish self-defense organization, claims that National Socialist and Neo-Nazi movements are increasing "worldwide.") It's hard to see what the future holds but this controversy remains in the forefront of not only black metal, but international politics, as shown by the amount of air time it is given by the entertainment industry, news media and American/U.N. politicians." http://www.metal-reference.com/blackmetalart.html

so...
"After all, they’re unlikely to achieve much political influence through their chosen medium of expression. Nor are they likely to come round your house for tea and scones. Perhaps one should just try to remember that black metal was always supposed to be nasty..." http://www.live4metal.com/ultimate-extremism.htm

cruelty divine is not a nazi band
i have no idea where you get your information from
if you are trying to start a slander campaign against either Phil's band or me and my label then I must say you are doing a terrible job

grow up

oh, I should have prefaced my statment by saying that I don't follow those beliefs either and I have no clue what the politics behind those bands listed above.
though, I do know the politics behind Joe N/C, he's a whig.

CNV is awful. And Creulty Divine isn't a nazi band. I know exactly what you're talking about, and who you're talking about. It's not an issue, so why even say it.

CNV are great and XmikeX is a gay jewish nigger

they're terrible. and you're not down with satan.

for some reason after that long statement from the rev i can only see him sitting back in a leather arm chair smoking a pipe in a sporting
smoking jacket and chuckling with a glass of brandi next to him... such a sophisticated man.

Yeah well ok, Im one of the only two original members left in Cruelty Divine I put it back together, I am Greek and Native Amarican I don't have blonde hair or blue eyes and Im a Libertarian Im about the firthest thing from a nazi there is. I would be lying if I said no one in the band has facist biliefs but that is something for that persons own time and Cruelty is in no way a political band. That said, Dan. I think I should inform you that you are talking out of your ass more than half of the Scandinavian bands are all about that shit. Let me give you a short list of so called "true metal" bands who they or there members have or have had outright National Socialist tendancies,
Absurd, Burzum, Emporor, Morbid angel, Danzig, Bathory, Graveland, Satyricon, Immortal, Marduk, Mayhem, Gorgoroth, Before God, Zyklon, Nocturnal Mortem, Destroyer666, Gontha Kry, Darkthrone, and yes even Slayer and Moterhead. Hell even Motley Crew used nazi imagery for a while. Im not saying that all of these bands still believe in that shit or even that I think its cool but if you are gonna say that that fascism is ruining metal you better first realize it has always been there like it or not.

Im not saying facism hasnt always been a part of Metal but Im VERY dissappointed it continues to stay in Metal especially with such diverse followings and bands playing all Metal even Black Metal. I like both of these bands(Im even friends with some of the members of these bands) and dont intend on making them look bad Im just using them as examples in a food for thought sort of way. This leads me to say dont be too influenced by others even if they make great music.

in one of those articles above, they say something like "extreme music sometimes generates extreme views"

I don't know, take a sample of the bands and see what % follow what beliefs and then match it to the normal populace.

Structured racism is fucking great, and would save this country from the 8 million illegal non-desirables in this country. The only people that want you to forget your ancestors racist beliefs are the jewish swines that seek to assimilate into your race and cancel your heritage. Decades of jewish pandering, whining, and media blitz have "softened" Gentile's beliefs. Anyone who's racist is a criminal, "white trash", or a "redneck". But its ok for jews to construct a jewish nationalist state in Israel. When White's want to stay to theyre own, it immediately becomes "bad" and "racist". The kike has successfuly made it a "White on White" issue now. Brother against Brother. You have White racialists/nationalists, conscious of their surroundings, aware of where they came from, and what their ancestors have accomplished, and you have the other off-Brand, dumbed-down White's who have no racial indentity, have no interest in their heritage, and have no interest in the future of their offspring. I bet your the types of kiddies who cry and bitch when you hear that nigget from The Fugees flame "the man" and admit she's critical of the White Devil. I bet you scream "RACIST". I scream FUCK YEAH. Stay to your own, get your own. You go there, I'll go here, and I won't support your shit and buy you "whips" and "cribs". I hope she's more racist than me, cuz that means she'll stay out my fuckin' way. The melting pot theory will NEVER work. Never has. Never will. You've wasted decades trying. You are welcomed to continue to try and make it work, but just realize there are others around you that have no interest in the multi-cultural nightmare. Realize that there are those out there that see through the jewish smoke-screen, and watch name changing, deceptive jews like Sumner Redstone (Murray Rothstein) use his many media outlets to force multi-culturalism and integration with non-White's on us, while he secretly sends his grand-children to segregated Yeshiva schools in Israel in order to preserve his heritage and way of life. Get a grip people. It's right in front of your face. If White's did that (segregated), the whole world would cave in because of the jewish cries. Your so whacked out of your mind because of jew bullshit, that you cant even see the demise of your own people. You actually HELP the organized jewish lobby by going against your own. Fuckin dolts. You resist me. I resist Jews. Even President Lincoln said that blacks and White's can NEVER coexist under the same government rule in harmony. Follow the wisdom of your forefathers and help take this country back for those who's relatives helped build it. This great country is built on the backs of Gentiles. Not Jews and non-White's. Dont let Jews turn it into a pig pen. And we all know Jews wont eat pig, why? Cuz that would be cannibilism. Jews are like locusts. Time to spray. Dont be afraid to speak out against integration. It'll help save your country from turning into Somalia.

everyone knows that Asian girls are hot

1) asian girls are hot

2) those "8 million illegal non-desirables in this country" pick the food you eat, drive your taxis, run your convience stores, and do all the other "low" and "shit" jobs that the "gentiles" don't want to do. It'd be such and awesome country with no one to do those jobs. It's the American way, the last people in are the "lower class" and get the shit jobs. Like the irish at the turn of the last century. all the "irish need not apply" signs.

3) our fore-fathers used slavery and the constitution to have black concubines.

I don't give a shit about jews, I don't give a shit about anti-jews. I don't give a shit that you give a shit about jews. I don't care that you have anti-zog tattooed to your dick. I DON'T FUCKING CARE.

now, why doesn't everyone stop this bs and just go listen to some good music? This site is about FUCKING MUSIC, metal, hardcore, etc... not metal hardcore and other jew medias.

www.returntomybullshitrantsaboutjewsandotherthingsnooneaskedabout.com

go start that so i won't have to read this bullshit every other thread.

..... I found in these trying days that drinking beer is the best way to wash away the problems of the world. A booze revolution is the ONLY solution...

Who gives a shit? I could care less. I listen to NSBM, and hate-core, have skin friends, etc. Does this make me a nazi? Blah. I listen to tons of stuff. I am none, but still more metal than all.

Anyway, here are some real "controversial" bands that would have you all crying like wimps for one reason or other. Spear Of Longinus, Blutrache, Bound For Glory, Grand Belials Key, War 88, Infernum, Kristallnacht, Capricornus, Pest, Goatpenis, Pantheon, and Gestapo SS.

Stupid thread. Seig heil HIRUDINEA commando SS effect

"TIME HAS A NUMBING EFFECT"

Justin Justice prepares all for the brown skin natzi attack from hell. Get ready for "Satanic Cow and the Dead". Heil Hitler, Heil GANDHI!

i could care less what people think
notcommon is libertarian owned and operated

but Dan purposely started this post so he could flag cruelty divine as a nazi band because he is mad Phil didn't start a band with him

and i think asian girls are gross
i would never date inter-racially
unless she gave great head and loved to be slapped

well all races have ugly and cute...anyhow i was kidding trying to be lighten this thread..there's only 1 person i think is truly hot...

and that person is either the lead singer of incubus or the lead singer of 30 seconds to mars.

Wait a sec Succubus...didn't you and Jared hook up a few times. Wasn't that one of the reasons why him and Cameron split? I mean besides their other crap.

ummm freepeltier do not bring that over here

and Rev..i was thinking YOU...but since your reply was wicked gay...

i will still say you were wrong in your answers...

I know, I know....Ethan Hawke is of course the hottest for you.

ok ok i wanted this thread to lighten up..but not at my expense
enough about me

the rev owns my ass EOS

I really dont like people putting words in my mouth Joe/NC I never said Cruelty Divine was a nazi band or CNV for that matter. Im saying some members have these beliefs and I was asking why this racism continues to be a part of Metal musicians that live so far from the North it was just some food for all those people I assume have brains and hunger for truth and justice like myself.

i hereby declare this thread GAY

I knew you're all a bunch of Nazis

All this discussion over little ol' me. Awww shucks guys, I'm just some sell out who wears Polo shirts and turtle neck sweaters now a days. Thanks for making a guy feel special though.

Curt rules

"I found in these trying days that drinking beer is the best way to wash away the problems of the world. A booze revolution is the ONLY solution"

Yeah, sit back, and watch it all go to shit. Great attitude. You make a great Jewish tool. Fuckin' zombie. If all White's were that way, we'd have been the minority many moons ago. It's the future I'm concerned with. Not dumbed-down, demoralized, disenfranchised White's who blow the ZOG.

Please, look around you and try to see the big picture. Oh wait, that Jewish haze is far too thick. Just like your head.

It's time for action. No.....it's time for the REACTION.

When the tailgate drops, THE BULLSHIT STOPS.

remember the south park when cartman thought he was a viatnamies whore

mmmmmm......Ethan Hawke...

day of the rope...........................i suppose you're a pure blood white. first off, this country wasn't occupied by whites first, it was actually occupied by the indians, or to be politically correct the native americans. but if you want to go futher back this country was occupied by no one because the indians migrated from europe and asia and other countries before records were actually kept. a personal suggestion for you is you need to go on some valium or zoloft or something cuz you're far to paranoid with a jewish coup de ta of this country. so rest assured that there is no secret organization of jews bent on taking over this country by opening up tons of strains of banks. i say live and let live when we die we all go to the same place, and in the end we'll all be dead. but i really dont' see why racism has anyplace in music, i really dont' cuz i dont' listen to that kind of music, but i do believe in freedom of speech" i might not like what you have to say but i would die to defend your freedom of speech" so this sounds noble and shit but i'm sure some one will find some way to trash on me, by calling me a pussy or kike lover( i actually have jewish cousins but i'm roman catholic) so i'm not expecting anyone to change there way of views i just thought i'd throw in my two cents.........but whatever. have a good time with this thread its actually kind of interesting to read

Dude, spare me the weak, pathetic Indian argument. It's older than the hills, and holds zero clout. It's about who built this great country, and made it what it is, or WAS. It's the people's heritage and ways being protected and preserved, not wiped out and forgotten by an influx of 3rd world non-desirables. If you truly believe there is no organized, wealthy, strong Jewish Lobby in the U.S. Government and the American media, I have no choice but to give them credit for the wonderful job they have done at dooping the average American Lemming. This country was founded upon a belief that majority rules, yet most of our Government's policies (foreign AND domestic) come by way of minority pressure. Nigga please.

So keep whippin' out that "Indian's were here first" retort. But just try and imagine what would be, if our ancestors never came. You would have never even been thought of, nevermind conceived. You wouldnt even be here, so try and show a little respect for what your people have accomplished throughout time and made possible. You just take everything for granted and have no racial indentity, like most silly, complacent "Americans". Get a grip.

besides the "indians" they prooved that there was a race of polynesian peoples that were in the US before the (what we think of) as typical "americans". They are thought to have fought and actually interbred with the "indians" as evident with a group of people on the tip of south america

I also don't understand this argument of "undesireables" it's 100% bullshit to think that because that's exactly what the whole US thought of the Irish circa 1910-1930 and they were giving the shit jobs that people like day of the rope didn't want to do. What was the national movment against the Irish called then? Well, beind of commie descent, I don't know. But they were Problem, the lowest class of society is always the last society to come in to this country and it just so happens that the last peoples coming into this country aren't white so people can go against them for their skin color. (granted I'm whole ignoring the black irish, who were actually of portugese descent here)

"Irish need not apply" was a common scenario faced by the Irish immigrants who came to this country to escape the treachery of 19th Century Ireland.
"Each time we hear (racial and ethnic slurs), an 'Irish need not apply' sign appears in the window," said Hilferty. "We need to speak out when injustice occurs and see all people created in God's image equally as His own."
Reading from a newspaper account of the execution, Hilferty said: "Four men, shackled like wild animals, steel manacles on their hands and feet, were taken from their nearby prison cells and led to the gallows of death which had been erected on this very spot."http://www.tnonline.com/coalcracker/mollies.html

once again, what does it matter. This website is not a mel gibson movie. This web site is not a conspiracy theory. This website is about metal so pro-jew or anti-jew shut the fucking fuck up about this antirascist vs rascist bull shit and just argue about how the last Poison the well (tear from the red) sucks/doesn't-suck and how the newer poinson the well cd is even worst/better.

..... Led Zepplen to 50 cent.....Hmmmm? Take me back to a time when all was pure.... 50 years ago to present day... Who owned the media then and who owns the media now? I guess everything's great... Just accept it.

.....The death of the west ....

*tubgirls this thread*

don't hate the media, become the media.

"dont hate the media, becom the media"

HOW THE FUCK DID THIS STUPID THREAD GET 44 REPLIES!?!

Because we told everyone there was a straight-edge mongoloid named xmikex in here. we shoulda charged admission. id have enough for a new witchery patch.

I hope both these bands get the publicity they deserve. There good bands and Im friends with some of these guys and they know I love black metal but hate the rascist shit!!!! Well any publicity is good publicity as the old sang goes. ANYONE that thought this post was stupid and expressed that is indeed a very stupid and naive person. I made two points in one your just to blind to see it. Racism is pointless it shows how your insecure bout your small dick and your gonna copy some redneck or genocidal maniac to feel important yea racism=poseur. And you dont need to copy some norse musicians beliefs to be a good musician and create some real black metal thats my fuckin point.

and with that said, everyone go listen to some psycroptic

Racism=Its just as gay to be overly anti racist you cant change the world people hate each other.
Asian girls=HOT
People still responding to this post=Kill yourself

Asian Girls are amzingly beautiful. Thats that!

I second that tyagxgrind

i am racist against the english upper class