near 40,000 copies sold in the first week...

your thoughts

Eh, good for them. I'm not really a fan of their music but it's better than making fun of Ashlee Simpson songs on the radio.

I'm not a big fan of it.
there is too much clean metal singing and not enough catchy choruses.
maybe they were on ozfest and learning from Judas Priest too much.

it sucks because live the new tracks were good, it's just on cd with all the production, it doesn't sound quite right.

oh, yes.. I am a fan of them selling really well.
I mean, it helps bring $$$ in to the music for century media to sign other bands that won't sell as well.

good for them. i don't listen to them much anymore and didn't contribute to the success of the new album by buying it, but i always liked shadows fall and they've come a long way, so good luck to them. maybe someday i'll get into the new album, but so far i am having trouble with it. there's something about the clean vocals this time around that isn't grabbing me, and i am a huge fan of clean vocals. it took me a while to get into the new megadeth, so i guess there is hope for these guys too.

the problem is i was at some kids house getting baked the other day and he was all listening to bad hip hop like Nas and Nelly. then he puts on shadows fall and killswicth then he put on wu-tang clan then some unearth????

i was like WTF. seriously i dont like it when bands that i like are so easily accessable to the mainstream top 40 dance crowd.

kids with the ICP and korn patches traded them in for SF and KsE stickers and metal is gonna be the next pop.

i just checked the charts and im pretty sure i didn't see them on there....

750 short of 40,000 is absolutely amazing. I LOOOOVE the new disc. "Ghost Of Past Failure" is so fucking good!

Guys, do you know what this means for NE Metal? In a few months after Mastamindz trade in their rap-metal for breakdowns they're going to get signed to Interscope as Thus The Mind Is Mastered!

BobNOMAAMRooney said:

exactly right. this is what i have been referring to as THE DEVILDRIVER EFFECT. i wish i had the power to stop it, but alas, i don't.

there's an ad on the bulletin board at my band's practice space. the band who posted it is looking for a singer, guitarist, and WICKED SAMPLER/DJ. i can't remember the exact influences they listed, but 2 of them were killswitch and public enemy. i have nothing against public enemy, in fact i like them, but that mix would sound horrible in my opinion. a rapping killswitch band? i need that cd like i need another zit on my ass.

BobNOMAAMRooney said:

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hhahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahha

god damn thats funny

not a fan of shadows fail....and i'm really sickened at the idea of metal seeping into the mainstream......because first it's shadows fail, next thing ya know it's cephallic carnage, and before ya know it, 14 year old, mallgoths, depressed fat chicks, and korn fans accross america will be coming to all the shows and ruining everyones fun.

i know that sounds ridiculous....but with shadows fail being in the billboard charts, and the headbangers ball playing crisis, morbid angel and suffocation....it really is'nt too far away from happening.

We wouldn't want that would we? Who wants more people at shows? Who wants bands to be able to pay their bills? Fuck that shit!

I don't think the problem is with more people showing up for shows, it's the fact that bands would see their success and rather than furthering their sound most would water their style down to gain even more fans.

id love to be able to make a living out of doing this but i just wouldnt want the wrong people getting into my shit, you now?

JayTUS said:

sorry but you are one of the godsmack, korn crossover fags we are talking about.

i understand what jay is saying. i like the fact that some of the metal bands out there are able to support themselves through music rather than working their ass off at some shitty coal mine during the day and busting their ass to promote their band at night. it's a hard life to live, trying to support yourself and get somewhere with your band. it is hard work. it would be selfish of me to want to keep these bands for myself and people like me, even though that is what i really want. i would hate to see some wigger asshole korncoblicker wearing a katatonia hoodie going "yo yo yo, this bizand is phizatt yo", but i would like to see that band earn a living through music.

i do understand where everyone else is coming from too. i wouldn't want any devildriver poser fans liking my band either, but i guess fans are fans, and if those kinds of mindless people are willing to give you their money, i say you take it and invest it into something worthwhile for yourself and the intelligent fans who actually understand your music. i think bands reach a crossroads when they hit it big after being underground for a while. do they water their sound down to make more money and abandon their core fans who got them where they are in the first place? or do they expand on the formula that got them there and maintain their musical integrity? some bands will hop from trend to trend to stay relevant once they get big. i only hope my favorite bands keep their integrity intact when they reach that point.

at least shadows fall isn't wearing makeup yet. i noticed papa roach and green day have resorted to makeup as a way to stay relevant with their fans who are probably getting more into HIM, atreyu, and avenged sevenfold. i never really respected those bands in the first place, but they look really silly now, pandering to the teenyboppers by wearing makeup. where's the integrity? if you weren't wearing makeup to begin with, you shouldn't wear it now.

dreadkill said:


good point

green day are in a class of thier own in terms of this discussion.

I don't see why people are so upset about metal becoming mainstream, if anything it will provide us with more bands and people to make fun of. Just think, if Metallica didn't go mainstream would we ever hear such gems as, "NUTHIN IS SIC(ER) THAN METALLICAS FIRST ALBUM, THE BLACK ALBUM!"

its good for the industry, i dont like elitist who dont like when other people get into there music. its a stupid concept. if they like it, they like it, bottom line. So if u have a problem w/ kids u dont know liking cephalic carnage, thats ur problem.

JayTUS said:

oh kiss my dick you douche chugger

it does'nt matter how many kids are at shows.......if a good band can get a full arena, that would rule........but i personally don't wanna be in the pit with 16 year old kids doing the pogo in korn hoodies, and girls with short hair who think they are tough and brag about how crazy they are because they're bi-sexual and listen to metal.

i'm just saying metal in the mainstream would suck....because it would cause contreversy and not only would there be alot of gay annoying little kids at shows, but also, because of all the contrversy it would cause, alot of really good bands would be told that they have to tone it down, or be dropped from their labels........and great bands will start to sound all lame and manufactured...

is that what everyone wants???????

Justin ACR said:


listen, i just don't want walk into the palladium, and have more than half of the crowd look like mallrats, then before ya know it, ther are gonna be hot topic stands at death metal shows, and cephallic will be opening for the fucking deftones.

fuck that shit

BobNOMAAMRooney said:


bwaaaahahahahahaha

i remember people doing that too!!!! when load first came out, and all of selloutica's new fans saying shit like that.

by the way thanks for reminding me of them too...

anyone who has a problem with me saying that extreme music in the mainstream is a bad idea need only look at metallica......go listen to "ride the lightning".......a heavy as fuck, technical speed metal......then go listen to that manufactured garbage album "load"..... and prepare to lose your lunch
imagine that kind of thing happening to dying fetus......as it is they are already starting to give in to the whole wiggercore breakdown thing........i'm not even shitting you, the first time i saw them live with the new vocalist, he came on stage and said "yo, yo, represent, D.F. in da house".....i could feel the bile churning in my stomach

even slayer is starting to pull that shit....come on....i love slayer....but compare "God Hates Us All" to "Show No Mercy" ......... it's a huge change, and not for the better.

death angel is opening for the deftones

dreadkill said:

first of all......that would be gay

secondly..... are you sure about that....last i knew death angel was gonna be on tour with danzig and mayhem

the danzig and mayhem tour got cancelled. death angel is in fact opening for the deftones. sad but true. at least the deftones aren't as gay as limp bizkit and linkin park.

orgymaggotfeast said:

I am excited at such a prospect. I can scam my girlfriend into coming along to see Danzig so I can see Mayhem.

damnit

i want to see mayhem. hellhammer is one of my favorite drummers.

Josh_hates_you said:

And I crossed over to that from gangsta rap yo! Who gives a fuck.

orgymaggotfeast said:

The choice isn't yours to make. People like what people like. Tough shit, get over it.

orgymaggotfeast said:

Palladium shows are pretty damn close to that already. I don't see much of a difference.

i realized that when i saw opeth on my birthday and there were a shitload of posers there. :(

This proves even more how much they suck.

JayTUS said:


i know that choice is'nt mine to make, but i can still complain about it..... that IS my choice to make......so eat my cum

Justin ACR said:


hahaha
true as that may be, we don't need it getting any worse

dreadkill said:

death angel were going to open for the deftones, but they dropped off. i would have been the only person in existence to attend that tour to see both bands.

dreadkill said:

i don't know what's worse, that the tour got cancelled, or that D.A. is opening for the Deftones.....

these faggot nu-metal bands have no respect....i don't care how popular your band is, death angel have been around forever, and should'nt be opening for this faggot wigger band......it's bad enough they are playing together, at least let D.A. headline

this is even worse than the time slayer went on tour opening for slipknot

It doesn't work that way. If Death Angel headlined, everyone would leave. Sad fact, I know, but a fact none-the-less.

It has nothing to do with respect. Just record sales.

its whoever gets the draw man. Kiss opened up for Blue Oyster Cult. The next year, it was the opposite. Rules of the trade, whoever gets the draw, plays last.

JayTUS said:

Who gives a shit if "everyone" leaves, it just means less douchebags ruining a good Death Angel show.

The promoters that want you to buy more beer and water?

If it weren't for the Deftones, Death Angel couldn't have even dreamed about playing the big room in the Palladium. Again, sad but true.

JayTUS said:

Thats a silly thing to say, the people who get into shadows fall are not going to start migrating towards grindcore or death metal or something like that. If that was how it works then Napalm Death would have gotten huge shortly after Korn blew up. All this means now is that massive amounts of stupid kids are going to get into more and more metalcore, and more and more metalcore bands will get big, and it won't effect any real metal bands here in anyway.

JayTUS said:

The Deftones are gay, so Death Angel must be gay.

i got the special ed cd

didn't open it yet though

JayTUS said:


Not true, if they were on a bill with other metal bands I'm sure they'd be able to play the big room

this trend will be dead in 5 years anyway. i'll still be making the music i want to make, and so will everyone on this site. i am sick of thinking about this trend. i spend too much time worrying about what the posers are doing. i need to crush them with my mighty broadsword of metal and get over it.

BobNOMAAMRooney said:

I meant by themselves. You just proved it right there, the only way they get in the big room is if someone takes them with them. End of story. They'd have to open for Shadows Fall, they'd have to open for Killswitch Engage, hell, they'd even have to open for From Autumn To Ashes. They would be lucky to even play the small room at the Palladium on their own. They NEED the Deftones, the Deftones don't need them...

Joe/NotCommon said:

You couldn't possibly be more wrong. These mall kids are a lot smarter then you seem to think. If you put Napalm Death as an opener for Korn on a national tour, I guarantee you their album sales would quadruple. If not more. A smart man like you should know this...

Think of it this way, these kids were never exposed to real good music before. When they get exposed to it, if they dig it, cool, if they don't, cool. Its not like you were listening to brutal death metal from the day you were born. At 1 point u were exposed to it.

JayTUS said:

Actually I meant with a few bands of equal popularity, like if they did some Legends of Thrash tour, that would draw enough to fill the big room without getting mallmetal involved. Considering the current trend of metalcore and nu-metal's decline even the Deftones would have trouble filling the big room by themselves.

And they'd still have to open, and that still wouldn't be the same situation. If they're on a "Legends of Thrash" tour with Exodus and whoever else, you're not going to question their having to open the way you would with the Deftones, so your analogy doesn't work.

Justin ACR said:

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!

everyone makes a good point in this thread. opening for the deftones has its pros and cons.

JayTUS said:

may be, maybe not.....but i do know this much......
i never got into any stupid mallcore shit....
my hippie uncle got me into the doors, and hendrix and all that stuff when i was little, my mom got me into megadeth, metallica and slayer when i was 11, and my friend bobby got me into death metal when i was 13.

granted, i guess you're right, not everyone can be priveledged enough to grow up on rock n roll, and get into metal through relatives and friends....some people progressively get into heavier music, and they start at the bottom with gay bands like korn, and limp dipshit.
i guess it did'nt dawn on me cuz i never went through such phases.

but still, ya gotta admit.......the thought of a mallrat korn fan at cephallic carnage or cryptopsy show is at least a little annoying.

Mastamindz last show before I go will be @ Jarrod's Place in Attleboro on October 15th. This show will most likely sell out so get your tickets quick. This show will feature Frequency 7, Dub Massive, and III Kings.

M-1 (PFC Moreau) was called to duty in Iraq and will be leaving for Fort Bragg on October 28th. This deployment is looking to be a 18 month stint so it will be the last show for A LONG TIME. This show will continue untill the wee hours of the morning cause after the show the party will be brought to Providence were we jam n there will be open mic for the guys and a DJ for all the ladies to shake they bootie. Take care

www.mastamindz.com

i wonder what the next post on this thread is going to be

I hope M-1 steps on a landmine.

orgymaggotfeast said:

orgymaggotfeast said:

I'm the same way man, and I used to think a lot like that. I got into bands like Megadeth, Metallica, Anthrax and whole bunch of other metal bands when I was 8. Before that I don't really listening to much music. I even got suspended from school for wearing a Megadeth shirt in 4th grade because on the back of the shirt it said "Megadeth: the killing of millions on people". Some fuckin gay parent that saw my shirt complained to the school, the rest is history. But I completely hear where you're coming from, but a lot of kids don't have the luxury of getting into metal at such an early age. Over the last couple years I've met a lot of kids that really love there metal, but only a few years ago they were listening to some of the worst crap out there, just because they never heard anything better. So it's changed my opinion all together.

i umderstand where justin is coming from. 5 or 6 years ago, all i wanted to do was stab every poser in the face, then i mellowed out and focused more on what i was doing and ignored the posers. now the posers are getting closer to real metal, so i am turning back into the same asshole i was 5 or 6 years ago. i feel like i am on some quest to save metal, but i know i can't stop it from being commercialized and turned into a waste product that i have no respect for. i'm glad we have some good bands on rttp who keep real metal alive and underground. i hope the posers leave prog rock and trip hop alone so i can enjoy them the same way. my post is starting to get rambly and stupid. time for the next topic.

the first minute of the first song blew me away, i thought i was going to throw out what i had previously "knew" about SF.
However, upon listening a little longer, my previous thoughts were vindicated- they do infact still suck.
brian fair is a homo, he takes the band in a strange direction-
guitar riffs are cliche and somewhat pretentious-
combine that with a very slick recording and some "clean" vocals,
and you have a top twenty seller.
in a sense im not suprised by their "success."
what do you want, peter, paul and mary sold some records too.